#1
Am having trouble deciding which LP to get. They each can be had for around £1300. Are there any other contenders which are similar to these two guitars?

Tokai LS230




Solid Mahogany 1 piece body
Book matched AAA maple flame top - 2 Piece
Deep joint set neck mahogany, 1 piece
Headstock Angle 18 degrees
Nitro Cellulose finish
Rosewood finger board - radius 300R
Scale 625/312.5mm
Aluminum tail piece
Brass bridge
Gotoh SD90-SL Tuners
PAF mk 2 pick ups - Made in Japan
Switch craft 3 way toggle
Switch craft jack socket
CTS Volume pots
Bone Nut - 43mm
Sprague “Black Beauty" Condensers


ESP Eclipse I



Construction: Set Neck
Scale: 24.75 in.
Body: Solid Mahogany Body with 2 Piece Maple Top
Neck: 3 Piece Mahogany Neck - Thin U Shape
Fretboard: Rosewood
Nut: Bone Nut - 42mm
Inlays: Flag Inlays
Binding: Custom Binding around the body neck and headstock
Pickups: Seymour Duncan APH-1 (B) / APH-1 (N) Reverse Zebra
Electronics: Vol / Vol / Tone / Tone / Toggle (with push-push coil split)
Hardware: Chrome
Tuners: Sperzel Locking Tuners
Bridge: Gotoh
#2
Im an eclipse guy but thatn tokai looks pretty ****ing sweet

Tokai for vintage

ESP for modern

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#5
Personally i'd go for the Tokai. I had an eclipse with locking tuners and when i changed the string guage no re setup could reverse the horrible action.
#7
The Tokai

The finish on that ESP is horrible IMO
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#8
i love the looks of them both. you could also get a gibby lp studio for that price. you could also check out some high-end epi's. they released a few new ones, one of which is basically a gibson with "epiphone" written on the headstock. called Epiphone '59 Les Paul.

and IMO, i'd get the ESP there.
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ESP Eclipse
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Tokai. 1 piece Mohogany? No contest. Plus Nitro finish and PAF's.

+1 another vote for the Tokai.
#12
Well the ESP is slightly more flexible with the coil tap.

The Tokai is one piece and nitrocellulose...

I have zero experience with Tokai, and that finish on the ESP is pretty damn ugly.

So if you can find it in a different finish, the ESP. Hotter pickups and flexibility.
#14
Surely the two above guitars would be streets ahead of any Epiphone LP.

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i love the looks of them both. you could also get a gibby lp studio for that price. you could also check out some high-end epi's. they released a few new ones, one of which is basically a gibson with "epiphone" written on the headstock. called Epiphone '59 Les Paul.

and IMO, i'd get the ESP there.
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Quote by flanders_91
i love the looks of them both. you could also get a gibby lp studio for that price. you could also check out some high-end epi's. they released a few new ones, one of which is basically a gibson with "epiphone" written on the headstock. called Epiphone '59 Les Paul.

and IMO, i'd get the ESP there.
are you kidding me? get this BS out of here...

a Gibson les paul studio will not be better than the Tokai. I can say that w/ 99% certainty.

and an Epiphone? Are you serious? Fact. You have never played one of the new Epiphones, are you really going to call it "basically a Gibson with Epiphone written on the headstock"? I prefer to call it an Epiphone with high end pickups and '59 in front of the name being charged for a premium.
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#17
IMO the Tokai
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#18
The guitar that feels better in your hands.

If they both feel equally as nice, and are on par, then the cheaper one.
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#19
i have no experience with ESP but my Japanese Tokai is the best purchase I have ever made if that helps
#20
Tokai hands down. In the 230 range, the Tokais start to get into Gibson Custom Historic territory. Hell, I would take that 230 over an R9 les paul any day.
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#21
that ESP looks amazing... just... wow. i'd go with that. ESPECIALLY if the one in the picture in the first post is the exact guitar you'd be buying. that finish and binding just look like a million bucks.
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#22
You aren't considering Edwards?

Between those two, the Tokai would edge out the Eclipse I (narrowly) but an Edwards might win.

No Navigators in there?
#24
Quote by al112987
are you kidding me? get this BS out of here...

a Gibson les paul studio will not be better than the Tokai. I can say that w/ 99% certainty.

and an Epiphone? Are you serious? Fact. You have never played one of the new Epiphones, are you really going to call it "basically a Gibson with Epiphone written on the headstock"? I prefer to call it an Epiphone with high end pickups and '59 in front of the name being charged for a premium.


+1, to be honest.

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yeah, to be honest, i reckon that tokai will be nicer than an edwards, any i've tried, anyway. I know the tokai I tried at about a grand, which I imagine wasn't even as high-end a model as that one, was nicer than my edwards. plus at the moment edwardses are poor value if you're importing, you could end up paying almost as much for an edwards, especially if you get caught by customs (which you probably will).

i guess you could look into things like bacchus etc. if you're willing to import. I haven't tried them, though, just heard good things. I think things like navigators (haven't tried those either ) will be well over budget with the current exchange rate.

as everyone else has been saying, the tokai will be more vintage in style, the esp more modern.

you could try asking on the tokai forum or japanaxe to see if they can think of any other options...
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