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#1
Ok. Im buying a half stack.

2 that have caught my eye are the line 6 spider III 150hd, as i have a spider III 75w combo, and the peavey valveking 100w.

Now, my price range id about 500 pounds. I have seen the peavy and cab for 550 and someone i know is selling the spider II 150hd with cab for 380 pounds.

Which do I get?

I am a student so cheap is good. I will be playing to "crowds" of about 100 people. My ther guitarist has a Marshall HDFX100 with matching cab, if that helps. I do like the line 6, I like the effects and that you can make custom ones. But it is solid state and the peavey is a valve.

For price vs quality. What do I go for?

Please dont immediatly say the peavey unless you have a good reason.

Also, if it helps, i have an Epiphone les paul std.

Also, does the Spider III HD150 give off alot of white noise at high volumes/gains. I dont want an amp that is going to scream at me when I turn it up.
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#2
I find that both of them are pretty crappy. If I can chirp in, what kinds of music do you play?
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#3
Crate do a head/cab combo for about £280. And it's pretty good, 3 channel, built-in effects, etc. It's like a GLX/GTX but with a flextone which is about as close to tube as you can get for the price.
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I play AC/DC, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Pink Floyd, Boston, Ozzy, Van Halen, Velvet Revolver. . . . Just alot of classic rock. What would you recomend instead, for the same price range?

Price range being: Around £500 for amp and cab?
#5
Classic 30 and a distortion pedal mate.

or for £500, orange tiny terror and a 1x12/2x12.

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#6
The VK will do classic rock better then the Spider III. If you want a Spider get a Spider Valve or wait for the Spider IV.

But, in all honestly, you've picked one of the worst sounding tube amps and one of the worst sounding modelling amps.
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so now weve got a VK, a spider III and a flexwave.

these are now nominees for the most unreliable amp trio.

no one needs 100w of power, to do anything.

get a Laney LC30.

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#9
Its all about price tho. I would love to get a £2000 stack, but this is my first half stack so need to be reasonable with price.

I like the Spider as its a pretty good stack for £380, but the Peavey is a pretty good cheap valve amp.

Its tricky.


Have played the Peavey Winsor, which I think is the one below the VK, and it sounded awesome. What I really want is an amp that isnt gonna scream at me when i turn it up loud and apply some gain.
#11
Get the second Crate amp then! It's tube! =]
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#12
I have the Hd150. Its fine. It has a built in noisegate so dont worry about white noise. Spider III are just hated by UGers, but 75% just jump on the bandwagon. I'm not a complete idiot, and I am an avid guitar player and I am completely satisfied by the HD150.
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I have the Hd150. Its fine. It has a built in noisegate so dont worry about white noise. Spider III are just hated by UGers, but 75% just jump on the bandwagon. I'm not a complete idiot, and I am an avid guitar player and I am completely satisfied by the HD150.



Brilliant responce.

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I have the Hd150. Its fine. It has a built in noisegate so dont worry about white noise. Spider III are just hated by UGers, but 75% just jump on the bandwagon. I'm not a complete idiot, and I am an avid guitar player and I am completely satisfied by the HD150.


We're not talking about white noise, we're talking about harsh, fizzy, undefined tone. Spider 3s have it by the bucketful.

Personally, I think OP should look at a Peavey Windsor or Classic. If OP wants a modeller, a Flextone or Vetta will wipe the floor with a Spider.

The 150 watt Spider won't even be an upgrade, it'll just be about 10% louder then the 75 watt one. If OP wants a stack just as a penile enhancement so be it, but they're not upgrading.
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#15
I have owned nearly ever version of Line 6 amp. They do make a decent product, but I would stay away from the spiders. Try to find a used Vetta or HD147. You will be much happier in the long run.

Also consider a Flextone III XL with the extention cab.
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#16
Spider 3 150 watts head 100% .No questionning about that. Valve amps will never get any better than that. All the kids are saying that spiders sucks ,well i wish they would because I wouldn't need a girlfriend anymore hahaha..........Long live the spiders The slackadjuster
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Spider 3 150 watts head 100% .No questionning about that. Valve amps will never get any better than that. All the kids are saying that spiders sucks ,well i wish they would because I wouldn't need a girlfriend anymore hahaha..........Long live the spiders The slackadjuster



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#19
i'm not bandwagoning or anything but i've owned a spider III for a year and it was crap. I've tried the stacks too and they were crap. Buzzy sound that isn't representative really of what real amps sound like- A tube combo would definitely be a better option like the Peavey Classic 30, which is plenty loud andd perfect if you play rock. If you play metal I would avoid the classic tbh which isn't voiced for modern metal but there are other tube combos that are out there that are much better than the spider.
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Spider 3 150 watts head 100% .No questionning about that. Valve amps will never get any better than that. All the kids are saying that spiders sucks ,well i wish they would because I wouldn't need a girlfriend anymore hahaha..........Long live the spiders The slackadjuster


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#21
Well people don't try this at home. I dialed in ( on my spider3 ) the insane preset and played the "there is a house in new orlean " song and you know what......I almost died ,yeah yeah I'm not kidding you, and I will never do that again. So before saying anything negative on the spider be sure to be sure to use the right preset. That was the worst day of my life.
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first thing roflmoa your thread says sider omg and second thing is that the peavey sounds a million times better than the line 6
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#24
The Valveking won't do classic rock. It just won't. It has a much more modern tone to it and if you're looking for a sharp and clear AC/DC-style crunch you won't find it with the Valveking.

The Laney that was reccomended earlier is a good suggestion; 30 watts of tube power is plenty for most situations. Another great amp for that money is the Traynor YVC50 Blue, though I'm not sure how easy they are to come by over there.

Perhaps you can find a used DSL401 like mine; you'll be satisfied with it but you'll eventually want a new speaker and you probably won't like the stock reverb very much. Also, unless you really crank it, you'll need an overdrive pedal to push the amp into high-gain lead territory. You won't get Randy Rhoads's screaming lead sound at half volume without a slight boost, for example.

One final note: I know that the MG isn't as bad as everyone says, but it will absolutely sound flat next to a cranked, quality tube amp. You should consider persuading him to buy a new amp as well.
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#25
yea the more i think about it, both of those amps are probly not a good choice for the kind of music your playing idk thats just what i think
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#26
You may want to look ito the Spider Valve series. The 2X12 ans 1X12 models are quite nice for the price. And despite what some UG'ers might say, thier tone is very nice. They are freaing loud as sin, but that goes with the territory.
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#28
IMO you could get a nicer combo for that price, you don't need stacks to play live, if you liked the spider you could try a flextone combo, there is a 150 2x12 watts model, which should be enough for any non stadium gigs.
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The VK will do classic rock better then the Spider III. If you want a Spider get a Spider Valve or wait for the Spider IV.

But, in all honestly, you've picked one of the worst sounding tube amps and one of the worst sounding modelling amps.


The Spider IV is even worse distortion wise than the III. It has better cleans but that's it. Also, +1 to the second point.

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#30
A Classic 30 and an OD will do you well. Getting the HD150 isn't an upgrade at all. You'd be surprised how loud the Classic 30 is too. Ignore all the people who have suggested Spiders, and take advice from the people here who have mature and developed ears. Spiders aren't bad as a practice amp, but shouldnt ever be used in a gig. The cleans are bad, and the distortion sounds extremely digital and fizzy. If you don't know what I mean, go to a local guitar store and crank a small tube amp.

edit- although the spidervalve is awesome.

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#31
Having owned or played most of the amps mentioned here, I keep coming back to my spider valve. The great thing about that is its versatily and the ability to wipe the floor with the regular spider series. Since the new ones will be coming out shortly, the stores are blowing out the the sv at up to %50 off. (last week I saw the combo I paid 799 for selling for $359)

Do the SVpre mod and swap the speaker and I'd put my spider valve up against any amp in the sub 1000 price range. Oh wait, I already did.
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The Valveking does classic rock just fine.



No it doesn't. Like I said easlier, put it up againt a Traynor, Marshall, Laney, or Orange amp and you'll see why. The crunch doesn't compare to the clear, bright drive of any of those amps.
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The Spider IV is even worse distortion wise than the III. It has better cleans but that's it. Also, +1 to the second point.


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The Valveking won't do classic rock. It just won't.
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No it doesn't. Like I said easlier, put it up againt a Traynor, Marshall, Laney, or Orange amp and you'll see why. The crunch doesn't compare to the clear, bright drive of any of those amps.


Well, I wouldn't expect a $500 head to compare to a $1500 head.
That's not a fair comparison at all.

But besides that point, I've had a Valveking for almost two years now and it's a decent amp, but probably not what you're looking for, tone-wise.
Look at a Classic 30 like they said before. 30 watts tube is way enough for a 100 person gig. You'll never go over 6 with a 100 watt amp. Half-stacks can be overkill at times.

And stay away from Spiders. I owned one of those once too, tone is terrible and the effects aren't anything to scream about either.
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#36
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#37
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Well, I wouldn't expect a $500 head to compare to a $1500 head.
That's not a fair comparison at all.

But besides that point, I've had a Valveking for almost two years now and it's a decent amp, but probably not what you're looking for, tone-wise.
Look at a Classic 30 like they said before. 30 watts tube is way enough for a 100 person gig. You'll never go over 6 with a 100 watt amp. Half-stacks can be overkill at times.

And stay away from Spiders. I owned one of those once too, tone is terrible and the effects aren't anything to scream about either.


Fair comparison or not, it still won't do classic rock.

I'm just being honest. Just because it has the gain for classic rock, doesn't mean it has the tone for classic rock. It's too muddy and modern-sounding. Sure, it's a great amp, and at an amazing price. However, if we're talking Zeppelin and Rush, the Valveking shouldn't even be in the picture.

EDIT: And I wasn't putting it up against any $1,500 head. A Traynor YCV50Blue can be found used for $600. A JCM2000 head or combo can be found for $600 used. Or, sizing down, you can find a Tiny Terror head for that price new. Each and every one of these will easily out-perform the Valveking in achieving 70's rock tones such as AC/DC, Rush, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, etc.
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or for £500, orange tiny terror and a 1x12/2x12.


I thought this was a good suggestion, especially since the dude's in UK.

Alternatively, the Tiny Terror combo'd be great.
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#39
I think a bloo voodoo bosted for about $350 would be best.
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#40
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Well people don't try this at home. I dialed in ( on my spider3 ) the insane preset and played the "there is a house in new orlean " song and you know what......I almost died ,yeah yeah I'm not kidding you, and I will never do that again. So before saying anything negative on the spider be sure to be sure to use the right preset. That was the worst day of my life.

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