#1
Hello Dear Musicians!

I am planning on producing a Music CD with covers of world famous songs aimed at all generations and all tastes!

100% of the profit will be going to charity thus I will not be making any money myself!

Is there any legal side advice you can give me?

From what I've gathered, I would have to contact the original composer/writer of the song and earn their permission. Also I would have to have a charity backing me up!

But what about other things like do I have to register my project? Tax? Things like that!

The recording would be done all LIVE in my "studio" and then put on a CD and sent out to be copied odd 200-300 times, then to sold on the Streets of London!

Any pitfalls and legal stuff I should be aware of?

Thanks!
#4
I'm unaware for england, but in Australia, you'd need to be selling them under a trade name, perhaps a non profit organisation of the same cause could offer theirs?

Tax - ??? I think charity gets away with tax

Copyright - You'll definately want to get the recordings copyrighted so no one steals them and sells them themselves
#5
Ok I understand the "Under the trade name" or in my case "under the name of a Charity Foundation"

Tax- Yea you are right

Copyright- obviously I will copyright the name of my project and the music we record, my question was whether or not I will neeed to gain permission from the original composers/writers who own the rights on music
#6
Quote by Klugzy
Ok I understand the "Under the trade name" or in my case "under the name of a Charity Foundation"

Tax- Yea you are right

Copyright- obviously I will copyright the name of my project and the music we record, my question was whether or not I will neeed to gain permission from the original composers/writers who own the rights on music


I can't imagine you being able to contact them. Your not anyone well known. If its only 200-300 CD's I don't think that most artists would bother pursuing you.
#7
When I said "contact" I meant either record label or doing it through just the main mechanism...e.g. something like PRS

and it's not the pursuing me part that I am worried about, I just don't want to get involved in charity work by breaking the law and doing something illegal it's democracy after all!
#10
Well...it would cost me £100/year...I mean yea that's not too much with sponsorships...but it frustrates that today I have to spend hundreds of pounds just to be able to start helping other people...
#11
Quote by Klugzy
Hello Dear Musicians!

I am planning on producing a Music CD with covers of world famous songs aimed at all generations and all tastes!

100% of the profit will be going to charity thus I will not be making any money myself!

Is there any legal side advice you can give me?

From what I've gathered, I would have to contact the original composer/writer of the song and earn their permission. Also I would have to have a charity backing me up!

But what about other things like do I have to register my project? Tax? Things like that!

The recording would be done all LIVE in my "studio" and then put on a CD and sent out to be copied odd 200-300 times, then to sold on the Streets of London!

Any pitfalls and legal stuff I should be aware of?

Thanks!


^ lot's, your dealing with copyrighted music. You have to obtain the licenses and pay royalties. It can be done though if you have money.
shred is gaudy music
#12
Mmm I see what you mean....it's a shame, kind of defeats the whole point of charity
#13
if your doing it on a small scale I don't think your gonna get sued or anything...especially for charity.
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#14
dirkgently is either a law student or a lawyer (i can't remember which) if he's still active on UG he'd probably be glad to let you know what he can.
#15
Yes of course it is all on the small scale. I am not planning to send it to shops etc.

It's just one thing I fear is being thought of as a SCAM. I mean, I want to have paper proof that all the money I earn are being given to a charity...simple word is not enough nowadays. And if im honest, I can't blame them.

Do you think getting support of my University might help?
#16
Quote by Klugzy
Mmm I see what you mean....it's a shame, kind of defeats the whole point of charity



As far as I know, the charity thing is irrelevant in terms of the legality of using copyrighted music.

I would suggest finding a way to give something that you own.
shred is gaudy music
Last edited by GuitarMunky at Sep 6, 2009,
#17
I am giving my time and commitment, as well as providing my own recording equipment for anyone who wants to use it, that's all I can offer being a student!

Alternative question-

do I have the right to distribute a Cover of A song on a CD without charging for it?

for example the loop hole i was thinking of is just collecting money with a charity box but for any donations of over £3 ($5 ish) I also give the individual a complementary CD?
#18
^ i don't think anybody here would have a good answer for that, google it or perhaps call a local lawyer. i would think right off the top of my head though that'd be illegal. you can't post cover songs on dmusic because they could be downloaded and they have a legal obligation to compensate signed artists for distributing their works.
#19
Ok thank you I think I will ask my University for legal assistance when the Academic Year starts officially in two weeks!

Just final question- how would I pay the royalties? Do I have to contact the record label an artist is signed to or do it through something like PRS?
Last edited by Klugzy at Sep 6, 2009,
#20
Quote by Klugzy
I am giving my time and commitment, as well as providing my own recording equipment for anyone who wants to use it, that's all I can offer being a student!

Alternative question-

do I have the right to distribute a Cover of A song on a CD without charging for it?

for example the loop hole i was thinking of is just collecting money with a charity box but for any donations of over £3 ($5 ish) I also give the individual a complementary CD?


The issue is the use of copyrighted music. The non-profit thing is irrelevant as far as I know. You might get a way with it if what you're doing goes unnoticed, but if you asking about your "right" to do it...... I don't think you have that.

Quote by Klugzy
how would I pay the royalties? Do I have to contact the record label an artist is signed to you do it through something like PRS?


I believe you negotiate licenses individually with each publisher..... not sure about the royalties.
shred is gaudy music
Last edited by GuitarMunky at Sep 6, 2009,
#21
Quote by GuitarMunky

I believe you negotiate licenses individually with each publisher..... not sure about the royalties.


Hmmm I sense a lot of papework coming...well thank you anyways I really appreciate it, I've emailed to a few charity organizations and some lawyers friends as well so will see how that goes!

I just wish mentioning that the original belongs to "Insert Singer/Label/Band name here" and that all of the sales are done with good intentions would be enough
#22
Quote by Klugzy


I just wish mentioning that the original belongs to "Insert Singer/Label/Band name here" and that all of the sales are done with good intentions would be enough


Yeah, I agree, that would be nice.
shred is gaudy music
#23
I just don't see why it should matter.

If I was a musician and someone wanted to cover my song for a sole purpose of selling it for benefits of others- i'd find it insulting if he asked for my permission if anything!

All it does is create exposure for the band anyways!

And if a cover is better then the original- well that just pushes the industry to the next level and that should be the aim of every musician IMO