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I don't understand why this is being reported as racist. Seems anything to do with criticising islam automatically becomes nazi supporting facist filth.
There were signs saying "black and white unite" and " we hate nazis as much as muslim extremists" not to mention there were non whites taking part in the protest to. Yet all reports seem to be linking it to bnp activities which is a load of crap.
There are pictures and videos of Asian gangs throwing bricks at police and chasing the protesters through the streets yet the only people arrested were 20 White men. This reflects scenes in luton when the soldiers came home for a parade yet there were groups of muslim men and women taking pictures of them and behaving in a generally intimidating manner. Their banners were much more offensive too and this could easily have started a riot yet they were given a police escort to and from the area and the only person arrested again was a white man who through a packet of bacon at them.
Previous Muslim actions have included protests in london over a Danish cartoon with banners saying "massacre those against Islam" and Europe is the cancer Islam is the answer". I know these people don't reflect the views of the majority of Muslims but why are they never given the same treatment as other groups of protesters. Animal rights activists often get the heavy handed treatment for example.
Are the English people (of whatever colour) no longer allowed to stand up for their countries traditions and show that they are not prepared to tolerate the ever growing problem of Muslim extremist behaviour. Standing up to the fanatics of a religion is not an act of racism.
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Quote by Burningritual
I don't understand why this is being reported as racist. Seems anything to do with criticising islam automatically becomes nazi supporting facist filth.
There were signs saying "black and white unite" and " we hate nazis as much as muslim extremists" not to mention there were non whites taking part in the protest to. Yet all reports seem to be linking it to bnp activities which is a load of crap.
There are pictures and videos of Asian gangs throwing bricks at police and chasing the protesters through the streets yet the only people arrested were 20 White men. This reflects scenes in luton when the soldiers came home for a parade yet there were groups of muslim men and women taking pictures of them and behaving in a generally intimidating manner. Their banners were much more offensive too and this could easily have started a riot yet they were given a police escort to and from the area and the only person arrested again was a white man who through a packet of bacon at them.
Previous Muslim actions have included protests in london over a Danish cartoon with banners saying "massacre those against Islam" and Europe is the cancer Islam is the answer". I know these people don't reflect the views of the majority of Muslims but why are they never given the same treatment as other groups of protesters. Animal rights activists often get the heavy handed treatment for example.
Are the English people (of whatever colour) no longer allowed to stand up for their countries traditions and show that they are not prepared to tolerate the ever growing problem of Muslim extremist behaviour. Standing up to the fanatics of a religion is not an act of racism.


I'm all for this. So be it if I'm branded a nazi or racist. It's in my own back yard.

In any case ... do not bite the hand that delivers.
#3
You sound like a bit of a racist TBH.
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Quote by Burningritual
I don't understand why this is being reported as racist. Seems anything to do with criticising islam automatically becomes nazi supporting facist filth.
There were signs saying "black and white unite" and " we hate nazis as much as muslim extremists" not to mention there were non whites taking part in the protest to. Yet all reports seem to be linking it to bnp activities which is a load of crap.
There are pictures and videos of Asian gangs throwing bricks at police and chasing the protesters through the streets yet the only people arrested were 20 White men. This reflects scenes in luton when the soldiers came home for a parade yet there were groups of muslim men and women taking pictures of them and behaving in a generally intimidating manner. Their banners were much more offensive too and this could easily have started a riot yet they were given a police escort to and from the area and the only person arrested again was a white man who through a packet of bacon at them.
Previous Muslim actions have included protests in london over a Danish cartoon with banners saying "massacre those against Islam" and Europe is the cancer Islam is the answer". I know these people don't reflect the views of the majority of Muslims but why are they never given the same treatment as other groups of protesters. Animal rights activists often get the heavy handed treatment for example.
Are the English people (of whatever colour) no longer allowed to stand up for their countries traditions and show that they are not prepared to tolerate the ever growing problem of Muslim extremist behaviour. Standing up to the fanatics of a religion is not an act of racism.


I agree with this entirely. I'm sick of this country becoming what it is. If there was the equivalent of a KKK, Nazi party, BNP etc... daily mail march or organization I would join up and be a leader. Strength in numbers FTW!

Before grilling me or reporting me.. ask yourself if I'm being serious or taking the piss?
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My driving instructor said that whites are the minority in the uk now and the ones most oppressed and with the least rights...he has a point. I was shocked to see muslims rioting in the streets...they are eternally guests in the country IMHO. I can say that because my family have been in my area for at least 300 years.
#6
As much as I hate religious extremism, I thought this march was a terrible idea. It was never going to end well. And it didn't. The government are too paranoid about people being anti-Islam. It's not racist to dislike extremist religion.

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My driving instructor said that whites are the minority in the uk now and the ones most oppressed and with the least rights...he has a point. I was shocked to see muslims rioting in the streets...they are eternally guests in the country IMHO. I can say that because my family have been in my area for at least 300 years.


For **** sake. White people are a heavy majority, you are not oppressed in the slightest bit. And that 'guests in this country' stuff is bull****. You don't own the land underneath you because you're great grand parents walked here. We're all immigrants in one way or another.
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Quote by Reveluzionairo
My driving instructor said that whites are the minority in the uk now and the ones most oppressed and with the least rights...he has a point. I was shocked to see muslims rioting in the streets...they are eternally guests in the country IMHO. I can say that because my family have been in my area for at least 300 years.



Another true UK'er standing up!..... Lets take back our country!!!

I want the face of jesus back on UK stamps. Yes the muslims banned a British stamp because the face of jesus offended them lol.........That is what is happening in my country. I don't even care about the bloody stamp. It's the principle that they are forcefully changing our culture and even geographical landscapes with their freaking mosques and what have you.
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#8
Quote by eazy-c
You sound like a bit of a racist TBH.


as i said criticising fanatics of a religion does not make someone racist. People get away with saying anything about christians or Jews etc. Scum from all areas of society should be dealt with the same it just seems the Islamic scum (who are the minority of the religion) are untouchable and nothing can be said against them.
#9
How is critisizing Islam racist, there's no such thing as a muslim race
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Quote by aaciseric
As much as I hate religious extremism, I thought this march was a terrible idea. It was never going to end well. And it didn't. The government are too paranoid about people being anti-Islam. It's not racist to dislike extremist religion.


The problem is that it gets hijacked by idiots and on the other side, all the Muslim chavs use it as an excuse to cause some disorder...
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Quote by BrashPersona
I agree with this entirely. I'm sick of this country becoming what it is. If there was the equivalent of a KKK, Nazi party, BNP etc... daily mail march or organization I would join up and be a leader. Strength in numbers FTW!


Yeah. Me, I'm an active BNP member because I just HATE ASIANS. I mean, immigrants are destroying our wonderful country...



Seriously, the "protesters" didn't really act in a non-provocative way. And here's a quote from their own website:

Our message is very clear - Remove Islamic Fundamentalists from our streets


So they're discriminating against one religion. Brilliant...
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Quote by aaciseric
As much as I hate religious extremism, I thought this march was a terrible idea. It was never going to end well. And it didn't. The government are too paranoid about people being anti-Islam. It's not racist to dislike extremist religion.



You cant just blanketly call a religion extremist there are hundreds of millions of islamic people and a tiny minority are extremist. There are probably more extremist christians TBH. But migrants cant come and start protesting if they dont like the situation in the country they have migrated to. I couldnt care less if grampa Achmed has been here since the 40s they are still migrants.
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Quote by monkey_dancer
Yeah. Me, I'm an active BNP member because I just HATE ASIANS. I mean, immigrants are destroying our wonderful country...



Seriously, the "protesters" didn't really act in a non-provocative way. And here's a quote from their own website:


So they're discriminating against one religion. Brilliant...



I know, it's a joke. As well as laughing about it .. it is actually rather serious considering I think it will start getting out of hand in the next decade. There will be more racial murders and protests. I want to move before this happens.
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I don't get what's with all these idiots thinking that we're headed towards an Islamic Theocracy, Muslims only consist of about 4% of the population
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#16
Quote by BrashPersona
I know, it's a joke. As well as laughing about it .. it is actually rather serious considering I think it will start getting out of hand in the next decade. There will be more racial murders and protests. I want to move before this happens.


But you can't help but feel some responsibility, right?
And besides, try finding a country without racists...
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#17
Quote by Reveluzionairo
My driving instructor said that whites are the minority in the uk now and the ones most oppressed and with the least rights...he has a point. I was shocked to see muslims rioting in the streets...they are eternally guests in the country IMHO. I can say that because my family have been in my area for at least 300 years.


He is an idiot then.

As of 2001, 92.1% of the population identified themselves as White, leaving 7.9%[128] of the UK population identifying themselves as mixed race or ethnic minority.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uk#Ethnic_groups
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Quote by Reveluzionairo
You cant just blanketly call a religion extremist there are hundreds of millions of islamic people and a tiny minority are extremist. There are probably more extremist christians TBH. But migrants cant come and start protesting if they dont like the situation in the country they have migrated to. I couldnt care less if grampa Achmed has been here since the 40s they are still migrants.


I agree completely with the bolded part. But not the part afterwards. No part of that march was justified, it should never have happenend.

Quote by Nietsche
I don't get what's with all these idiots thinking that we're headed towards an Islamic Theocracy, Muslims only consist of about 4% of the population


Don't call them idiots, call them by their proper title: 'Daily Mail readers'.

Though you've made a good point.
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Quote by Reveluzionairo
You cant just blanketly call a religion extremist there are hundreds of millions of islamic people and a tiny minority are extremist. There are probably more extremist christians TBH. But migrants cant come and start protesting if they dont like the situation in the country they have migrated to. I couldnt care less if grampa Achmed has been here since the 40s they are still migrants.

Resorting to racism to prove you're better than the extremists, great move there, brah. Once they get passports they are technically British Citizens, not migrants, that's like saying no one can be Australian because they moved there.
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Surely by now they should've assimilated to the point of also hating 'forruns'
#21
Quote by I.O.T.M
Resorting to racism to prove you're better than the extremists, great move there, brah. Once they get passports they are technically British Citizens, not migrants, that's like saying no one can be Australian because they moved there.



How is that racist? Technically they may be UK citizens but it was white caucasians and the ancestors of, who fought over the centuries for the country, built the nation etc, so i see white caucasians as having the final say here pal.

If i emigrated to Bangladesh now i wouldnt be protesting about anything i would either take it or GTFO.
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I wonder if it's occurred to groups like the EDL that protesting against Extremist Islamic groups is actually counter-productive?

As it appears, to me at least, there is a very clear pattern at work, like so:

1. Tiny group of Muslim extremists do something inflammatory

2. Right-Wing, Tabloid press goes bat-****

3. Similar effect in said rags' moronic readership

4. As a result, general hostility towards Muslims increases

5. Young Muslims, feeling alienated and angry as a result of step 4, drift towards Extremist groups, thereby increasing thier numbers

6. Repeat
#23
Quote by Burningritual
I don't understand why this is being reported as racist. Seems anything to do with criticising islam automatically becomes nazi supporting facist filth.
There were signs saying "black and white unite" and " we hate nazis as much as muslim extremists" not to mention there were non whites taking part in the protest to. Yet all reports seem to be linking it to bnp activities which is a load of crap.
There are pictures and videos of Asian gangs throwing bricks at police and chasing the protesters through the streets yet the only people arrested were 20 White men. This reflects scenes in luton when the soldiers came home for a parade yet there were groups of muslim men and women taking pictures of them and behaving in a generally intimidating manner. Their banners were much more offensive too and this could easily have started a riot yet they were given a police escort to and from the area and the only person arrested again was a white man who through a packet of bacon at them.
Previous Muslim actions have included protests in london over a Danish cartoon with banners saying "massacre those against Islam" and Europe is the cancer Islam is the answer". I know these people don't reflect the views of the majority of Muslims but why are they never given the same treatment as other groups of protesters. Animal rights activists often get the heavy handed treatment for example.
Are the English people (of whatever colour) no longer allowed to stand up for their countries traditions and show that they are not prepared to tolerate the ever growing problem of Muslim extremist behaviour. Standing up to the fanatics of a religion is not an act of racism.



because most of those who protested had Swastikas as their facebook pictures and openly deny the holocaust
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Quote by Reveluzionairo
How is that racist? Technically they may be UK citizens but it was white caucasians and the ancestors of, who fought over the centuries for the country, built the nation etc, so i see white caucasians as having the final say here pal.




Is this guy trolling or what?
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Quote by Reveluzionairo
How is that racist? Technically they may be UK citizens but it was white caucasians and the ancestors of, who fought over the centuries for the country, built the nation etc, so i see white caucasians as having the final say here pal.


Stop thinking white people are all in some kind of club. Skin colour does not matter in the slightest bit.
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Quote by Nietsche


Is this guy trolling or what?


No he simply has an opinion you obviously think is ridiculous. I understand his point.
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Quote by PeZ546
I wonder if it's occurred to groups like the EDL that protesting against Extremist Islamic groups is actually counter-productive?

As it appears, to me at least, there is a very clear pattern at work, like so:

1. Tiny group of Muslim extremists do something inflammatory

2. Right-Wing, Tabloid press goes bat-****

3. Similar effect in said rags' moronic readership

4. As a result, general hostility towards Muslims increases

5. Young Muslims, feeling alienated and angry as a result of step 4, drift towards Extremist groups, thereby increasing thier numbers

6. Repeat


I agree with this totally.

How ever I believe there is not a 'tiny' number. The muslims community is booming beyond control in the UK. Their families are massive and they are all propagated by their families religions and similar views.
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Quote by Reveluzionairo
How is that racist? Technically they may be UK citizens but it was white caucasians and the ancestors of, who fought over the centuries for the country, built the nation etc, so i see white caucasians as having the final say here pal.

If i emigrated to Bangladesh now i wouldnt be protesting about anything i would either take it or GTFO.

The "Grandad Achmed" was the part I referred to as racist, the rest of your post was just ignorant.
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Quote by BrashPersona
I agree with this totally.

How ever I believe there is not a 'tiny' number. The muslims community is booming beyond control in the UK. Their families are massive and they are all propagated by their families religions and similar views.

There is religious freedom in this country, therefore the muslim community shouldn't be controlled.
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Quote by BrashPersona
I agree with this totally.

How ever I believe there is not a 'tiny' number. The muslims community is booming beyond control in the UK. Their families are massive and they are all propagated by their families religions and similar views.
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The vast majority of Muslims in the UK live in England and Wales: of 1,591,000 Muslims recorded at the 2001 Census, 1,536,015 were living in England and Wales, where they form 3% of the population; 42,557 were living in Scotland, forming 0.84% of the population
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_Kingdom
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although Muslims constitute only about four per cent of the entire British population.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1997/religion/33539.stm
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#31
Quote by imthehitcher
because most of those who protested had Swastikas as their facebook pictures and openly deny the holocaust


What right wing fascist group would have Black and mixed race people protesting along side them?
These people must have known at least some of the white people protesting and if they were just some white supremisist scum i very much doubt they would have been there.
"Black and white unite"
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How is that racist? Technically they may be UK citizens but it was white caucasians and the ancestors of, who fought over the centuries for the country, built the nation etc, so i see white caucasians as having the final say here pal.

If i emigrated to Bangladesh now i wouldnt be protesting about anything i would either take it or GTFO.


damn you're thick, you know there are hundreds of different white ethnicities.
the British Isles have had loads of them here over the years, form the Britons and Celts to the Saxons and Normans.
all of whom are of a different ethnicity, basically there is no such thing as a 'British' person the term was invented in the 18th or 19th century

What right wing fascist group would have Black and mixed race people protesting along side them? These people must have known at least some of the white people protesting and if they were just some white supremisist scum i very much doubt they would have been there. "Black and white unite"


and the slave owning Americans used Buffalo soldiers to fight with them in wars, does that make them not rascist?
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#33
Quote by BrashPersona
I agree with this totally.

How ever I believe there is not a 'tiny' number. The muslims community is booming beyond control in the UK. Their families are massive and they are all propagated by their families religions and similar views.


So? This is not a country of white people, this is not a country of Christians. This is a free country. People like you are the ones ruining it, not immigrants. They have every right to be here and to treat this as their home because it is their home as much as it is mine. I'm a 3rd generation immigrant, you have a problem with my family aswell?
#34
Quote by I.O.T.M
There is religious freedom in this country, therefore the muslim community shouldn't be controlled.


I was talking within context of minorities and majorities therefore concluding white people are becoming minority. Aforementioned with the member I quoted one of his respected aspects was the term 'Minority' with I disagreed with.

I do not believe a race or religious group should have their birthing rights controlled in the UK either. However I see it fit in China.
#35
Quote by Burningritual
What right wing fascist group would have Black and mixed race people protesting along side them?
These people must have known at least some of the white people protesting and if they were just some white supremisist scum i very much doubt they would have been there.
"Black and white unite"


It probably started off as a fairly sensible and peaceful group, but then idiots turn up and hijack it... The same with anything really.
#36
Quote by Burningritual
What right wing fascist group would have Black and mixed race people protesting along side them?


A right-wing fascist group which didn't hate black people, but did hate muslims??
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#38
Quote by BrashPersona
I agree with this totally.

How ever I believe there is not a 'tiny' number. The muslims community is booming beyond control in the UK. Their families are massive and they are all propagated by their families religions and similar views.



I'd say it's generally correct when referring to extremist groups, which are definitely on the fringes of the British-Islamic community. The group that carried out the infamous protests in Luton were only about a dozen or so in number.

The point I'm trying to make is that support for these sorts of extremist groups amongst ordinary Muslims is only going to increase due to the 'pattern'. Therefore the sort of reactionism that is propagated by the BNP towards the 'threat' of Islamic extremism is only fuelling the fire.
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#39
Quote by BrashPersona
I was talking within context of minorities and majorities therefore concluding white people are becoming minority. Aforementioned with the member I quoted one of his respected aspects was the term 'Minority' with I disagreed with.

I do not believe a race or religious group should have their birthing rights controlled in the UK either. However I see it fit in China.

Does it really matter if they are becoming the majority though? They have every right to believe in Islam, just because you don't doesn't mean they can't.
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Quote by aaciseric
So? This is not a country of white people, this is not a country of Christians. This is a free country. People like you are the ones ruining it, not immigrants. They have every right to be here and to treat this as their home because it is their home as much as it is mine. I'm a 3rd generation immigrant, you have a problem with my family aswell?



this is true, so TS would you have me and my family repatrioted to Ireland? whilst not actually giving us back the whole country?
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