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#1
Okay. I just had another thread; let me ask a more specific question this time.

I am looking for a guitar that has the following elements:

1. 25" scale length. (This one is absolutely non-negotiable.)
2. Mahogany body. Maple top optional.
3. Semi-hollow or solid construction.
4. Dual humbucker or SSH config.
5. Two volume controls. OR, 1 tone, 1 volume, so I can replace them both with volume controls. Tone controls are pretty useless to me nowadays.
6. Nothing even remotely strat-shaped. Looking mostly as Les Paul and 335-derivative shapes, but if there are Explorers or Vs out there like this, I'm interested. "No strats" is also non-negotiable.
7. No trem.

So far, the only thing I've found that meets these are Carvins - the CS4 and SH550. Anyone got anything else, that isn't a PRS?

It doesn't need to meet all of those, save the first one. I'm willing to compromise. And before anyone suggests it, I've considered full custom.
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#2
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#3
Not sure about the body woods, but look into ESP's Eclipse line.
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#4
I edited my OP - both the Hardtail and Eclipse have 24.75" scales. In my edit I clarified up there that the scale length and the "no strats" rule are the only things on that list that are absolutely non-negotiable.

Good suggestions, though. Hadn't even considered Dean or ESP.
#5
Damn man - in looking, there aren't a ton of guitars with that body style that aren't 24.75". Super freakin weird. Next suggestion was a Washburn Idol series, but they're 24 and 3/4 too.

What specific body shape are you lookin for? Just no super-strat style stuff? What about a V?
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#6
i don't have anything to add really (the only two 25" scale guitar companies i know of are carvin and prs. and you have those already), but why so specific about scale length? just curious.

oh, and i think silvertone uses a 25" scale, but i don't think you'd be interested in too many of them. just throwing that out there
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#8
Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
Stupid name.
Probably picked "for teh lulz"

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#9
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i don't have anything to add really (the only two 25" scale guitar companies i know of are carvin and prs. and you have those already), but why so specific about scale length? just curious.

oh, and i think silvertone uses a 25" scale, but i don't think you'd be interested in too many of them. just throwing that out there

Because - having done lots of playing at shops and other people's guitars - I have determined that scale is the single most important factor in determining whether I like a guitar's playability. The Carvins, PRS, and customs I've played with it have been fantastic to me, regardless of their looks or brand or anything else.
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Damn man - in looking, there aren't a ton of guitars with that body style that aren't 24.75". Super freakin weird. Next suggestion was a Washburn Idol series, but they're 24 and 3/4 too.

What specific body shape are you lookin for? Just no super-strat style stuff? What about a V?

I've noticed the lack of the scale length on most guitars too. Very bothersome to me.

As for shape - I like Vs. Explorers. Firebirds. Teles. Jaguars. Les Pauls. PRS of various kinds. Pretty much all of the Gibson and Epiphone hollowbodies. Strats and super-strats have always been a no-go with me though.
#10
Quote by Shinozoku
Some old B.C. Riches are 25". But your best bet is Carvin, man.

You fail to notice the lack of .5 at the end of his required scale length.

Do they do straight 25" scale?

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Because - having done lots of playing at shops and other people's guitars - I have determined that scale is the single most important factor in determining whether I like a guitar's playability. The Carvins, PRS, and customs I've played with it have been fantastic to me, regardless of their looks or brand or anything else.

I've noticed the lack of the scale length on most guitars too. Very bothersome to me.

As for shape - I like Vs. Explorers. Firebirds. Teles. Jaguars. Les Pauls. PRS of various kinds. Pretty much all of the Gibson and Epiphone hollowbodies. Strats and super-strats have always been a no-go with me though.

And yes, it's a huge pain in the ass. I love Explorers as well (personally my favorite) but prefer the slight tension increase given by the extra 3/4 of an inch. Annoying.
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Fail. Go read the first guitar's description again. Th eother two don't have it, but I'm fairly sure the other Schecter is 25 1/2 as well.


And yes, it's a huge pain in the ass. I love Explorers as well (personally my favorite) but prefer the slight ension increase given by the extra 3/4 of an inch. Annoying.

They're all 25.5", he's looking for 25"
Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
Stupid name.
Probably picked "for teh lulz"

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#12
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They're all 25.5", he's looking for 25"

Yeah I re-read that after I posted because it didn't add up, then amended it when I realized my folly.

My bad.
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#13
i always hated strats until i sat down with one and decided it was the most comfortable body shape known to man but the 25" thing is definitely going to limit you. if you know EXACTLY what you want it really might be worth it to save up a little and get a carvin. or even grab something from their "in stock" section. they usually have a pretty good selection of stuff to look through thats already built.
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#14
Quote by Shinozoku
Some old B.C. Riches are 25". But your best bet is Carvin, man.

You fail to notice the lack of .5 at the end of his required scale length.

1. Eh? No, I don't want a the .5 Just 25". Which none of those are. EDIT: Ah. Neeeeevermind.

2. Yeah, I've begun to think this as well. This is my last resort before I bite the bullet and go for it when I have the cash.
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Yeah I re-read that after I posted because it didn't add up, then amended it when I realized my folly.

My bad.


It's cool man, people usually see that "25" and automatically think "25.5". I'm really interested in a 25" scale too, as I'm really digging 24.75, but I like some extra tension and I'm having difficulties with 25.5. I seem to hit harmonics and everything a lot better with 24.75.

I really wish I had the time and resources to build guitars right now, cuz I'd totally build you seven (and me 12 )
Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
Stupid name.
Probably picked "for teh lulz"

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Last edited by Shinozoku at Sep 7, 2009,
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1. Eh? No, I don't want a the .5 Just 25". Which none of those are. EDIT: Ah. Neeeeevermind.

2. Yeah, I've begun to think this as well. This is my last resort before I bite the bullet and go for it when I have the cash.

If you don't prefer the extra .25 of tension, cut it the other way and sacrifice that from the flat 25". That's what I'd do.

I might just not be guitar travelled, but has anyone here seen a flat 25"?

Scale length, you perverts.
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#17
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It's cool man, people usually see that "25" and automatically think "25.5". I'm really interested in a 25" scale too, as I'm really digging 24.75, but I like some extra tension and I'm having difficulties with 25.5. I seem to hit harmonics and everything a lot better with 24.75.

Well the harmonics make sense - the shortened scale length allows for your hand to be more in the pinch harmonics 'sweet spot' instead of having it closer to the neck heel, it's closer to the bridge where your hand naturally rests. That's what I've found, at least.

For regular harmonics, there's less tension, so the vibration can travel with more longevity and with more intensity, so it sounds more clearly.
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#18
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I might just not be guitar travelled, but has anyone here seen a flat 25"?

What do you mean by "flat" 25"?
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They're all 25.5", he's looking for 25"

Yeah guys. Just to clarify. 25". Twenty-five inches. NOT 25.5 inches, as commonly found on Fender, Hagstrom and Gretsch guitars, and NOT 24.75", as usually found on Gibson and so many countless others.

Twenty-five. No more, no less. Used pretty much universally on PRS and Carvin models.
#19
Quote by Flying Couch
What do you mean by "flat" 25"?

Yeah guys. Just to clarify. 25". Twenty-five inches. NOT 25.5 inches, as commonly found on Fender, Hagstrom and Gretsch guitars, and NOT 24.75", as usually found on Gibson and so many countless others.

Twenty-five. No more, no less. Used pretty much universally on PRS and Carvin models.

Standard 25, straight 25 - flat 25 - as in, JUST 25, as you're requesting. I've never seen it outside of those two companies - you might have to pick from them.
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#20
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Standard 25, straight 25 - flat 25 - as in, JUST 25, as you're requesting.

That's what I thought. In that case, yeah, we have seen those - PRS and Carvin use them pretty much exclusively on their guitars.
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Quote by strat0blaster
Standard 25, straight 25 - flat 25 - as in, JUST 25, as you're requesting. I've never seen it outside of those two companies - you might have to pick from them.

PRS, Carvin, old BC Rich
Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
Stupid name.
Probably picked "for teh lulz"

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#22
Quote by Flying Couch
That's what I thought. In that case, yeah, we have seen those - PRS and Carvin use them pretty much exclusively on their guitars.

Yeah got that - read the amendment I made.

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#23
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Yeah got that - read the amendment I made.

My head is slow tonight.

Ah. Yeah, I see now. I was getting somewhat confused.
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PRS, Carvin, old BC Rich

I have to admit, an old Mockingbird with a 25" scale would be tough to resist.
#24
Quote by strat0blaster
My head is slow tonight.

Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
Stupid name.
Probably picked "for teh lulz"

Mod in UG's Official Gain Whores
Last edited by Shinozoku at Sep 7, 2009,
#25
Quote by David Collins
Gibson's 24.75" scale length actually results in a string length more like a 24.58" scale length. Though it is in theory a 24.75", their math is a bit different than the rest of the world's, which results in a much shorter string. All the other 24.75" scales you've played though (save for Heritage, which is like Gibson's) are a true 24.75".

Just a trivial note.

Sound to me like Carvin has exactly what you're looking for though.

What about Epiphone? Same 25.58"? Or true 25.75"?
Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
Stupid name.
Probably picked "for teh lulz"

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#26
Quote by David Collins
Sound to me like Carvin has exactly what you're looking for though.

As far as the guitars themselves, they pretty much do. There are silly and illogical reasons that have kept me from falling over myself to order an SH550, but I won't argue with that kind of quality in favor of something as silly as brand loyalty (bit of a Gibson snob) forever.
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Quote by Flying Couch
As far as the guitars themselves, they pretty much do. There are silly and illogical reasons that have kept me from falling over myself to order an SH550, but I won't argue with that kind of quality in favor of something as silly as brand loyalty (bit of a Gibson snob) forever.

If you're lookin for Gibson-esque stuff, what's stoppin you from checkin out Carvin's CS6 California Single Cut?

Looks pretty phenominal to me.

What's your genre, anyway?
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If you're lookin for Gibson-esque stuff, what's stoppin you from checkin out Carvin's CS6 California Single Cut?

Looks pretty phenominal to me.

What's your genre, anyway?

Genre is a little bit of everything. I play and write lots of classic-rock, blues, and funk inspired stuff, but I also do some metal and I used to play in a jazz band.

And flamed and quilted maple is keeping me from the CS6 - I prefer the CS4, which has a plain maple top. But they are essentially the same thing. I may not be able to afford an SH550, so if not, then I'd get a CS. I've never played a CS, but I gather that they are basically single cut version of the CT series. I've played a few of those, and one of them was perhaps the single greatest playing guitar I have ever touched. I'd prefer a semihollow, though - hence, the SH550.

Aside from that, there's the aforementioned brand loyalty, which won't hold out for long. I'd prefer a Gibson, really, but I'm not going to argue with this.
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#29
Youre not gonna have much choice with the 25" scale thing. Carvin and PRS there are some acoustics with that scale but thats it. You could build a guitar. The neck thru blank from stewmac is 25" scale, same one as sold by carvin. Other options are a warmoth body without the bridge routed and buy a 25"scale fretboard to install on a fender spec neck.
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Quote by Flying Couch
Because - having done lots of playing at shops and other people's guitars - I have determined that scale is the single most important factor in determining whether I like a guitar's playability. The Carvins, PRS, and customs I've played with it have been fantastic to me, regardless of their looks or brand or anything else.

I've noticed the lack of the scale length on most guitars too. Very bothersome to me.


I feel your pain, I love 24" scale, and there's only a handful of guitars made in it, and really only one that's well suited to hardcore punk and metal.
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#31
Take this as a sign to buy a Carvin. You won't regret it, a CS4 will be my next guitar to go with my DC127.
#32
Quote by Flying Couch
As far as the guitars themselves, they pretty much do. There are silly and illogical reasons that have kept me from falling over myself to order an SH550, but I won't argue with that kind of quality in favor of something as silly as brand loyalty (bit of a Gibson snob) forever.

If you don't buy Carvin you will pay the price for your lack of vision.
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#33
i *think* patrick eggles are 25", but they'll be hard to find if you're not in the UK... might be too close to a strat shape, too.
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#34
Having done some intensive searching - I have (finally) resigned to order a Carvin.

Expect a NGD thread within a few months - either an SH550 or CS4. Thanks for the input guys.
#35
You won't be disappointed. Ordering my DC127 was tough for me to do sight unseen and unplayed (and I didn't have much money at all at the time - basically emptied my accounts to get it) but looking back it was one of the best decisions I ever made.

Make sure to call it in and get the SS frets!
#36
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Make sure to call it in and get the SS frets!

I dunno about SS frets. I was thinking of calling in with a few non-standard options though - for example, a mahogany top on an SH550, with a natural finish over the whole thing.
#37
It's just the crazy options that aren't even listed anywhere that would get you a non-returnable - they'll let you know. I highly recommend the SS frets though for anybody. Once you've played em it's tough to go back to nickel and they last forever.
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#39
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I believe that Parker Singlecuts have a 25" scale.

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Godin-xtSA-Flame-Electric-Guitar?sku=512264

That does too.

The Godin's a good suggestion, but the body is ungainly to me, and it's got a trem, which I'd have no use for. And no, the Parker's got a 25.5". My friend runs a guitar shop and has a ton of them; if they had a guitar with such a scale I'd be all over it. They are amazing instruments.
Quote by stratman7
It's just the crazy options that aren't even listed anywhere that would get you a non-returnable - they'll let you know. I highly recommend the SS frets though for anybody. Once you've played em it's tough to go back to nickel and they last forever.

Now that I think about it, I may as well. I use such damn heavy strings that I never even touch the fretboard or frets when I play.
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#40
Quote by Flying Couch
The Godin's a good suggestion, but the body is ungainly to me, and it's got a trem, which I'd have no use for. And no, the Parker's got a 25.5". My friend runs a guitar shop and has a ton of them; if they had a guitar with such a scale I'd be all over it. They are amazing instruments.

Now that I think about it, I may as well. I use such damn heavy strings that I never even touch the fretboard or frets when I play.


I just looked through ten pages of musicians friend, and all I found were those two Godins
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