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#1
I've wanted a Mesa Triple Recto for many years. I got one about 2 or 3 years ago and have loved it ever seance. Although it can be a pain if you like to keep your house clean and free of clutter. And you might want a clean amp, and an AB Y switcher, and reverb through the effects loop, and some effects to the Mesa, Some to only the clean amp, and some to both. Plus all the powercords to all the pedals and effects and amps, and all the cords to between effects and all the cords to the mics for recording. So set up and take down was a major pain in the ass. But I still loved the Mesa.

Until last week, I bought a brand new Line 6 Spider Valve, after being urged to by a friend who is on tour with his band.

He used to work at a large guitar store and told me that the amp section was exactly like the Bogner's (all schmatics are identical!), but with added effects and very user friendly controls. So it really is a real tube amp!

So I picked up the Spider Valve HD100 head for $430 last week, and I couldn't be happier!!! It is so easy to use, you can set your presets and just click the button or foot controler and it brings back all your setting..... SO THERE IS NO MORE WORRIEING ABOUT SOMEONE MOVING THE SETTINGS ON YOUR AMP!!! Plus it is very easy to set up, one cord for the controler. It works great for recording cause it has a SLR output that actually sounds great plugged into a recording system (see pics). And all you have to change for gigs is your volume, then just use the foot controller. Plus it has a built in tuner with a display on the foot controller. Its got 200 preset sounds and 36 user pre-sets you can change and save for instant recall at the click of the foot switch, and all you need to change for a gig is the volume! It all works very well!!!

But the best part? IT SOUNDS FREAKING AWSOME!!!!! I can get the same sounds (if not better) in the Line 6 that I can get with my Mesa! It really sounds like a Bogner. Just with really good effects!!!! It is sooo good I'm gonna be selling my Mesa Triple Recto cause I now have no use for it! And sence they are comming out with a new model soon you can pick one up for mid $400 range!

It is the best amp I've ever played on, and if you've never tried one I URGE you to!!!









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#3
you should upgrade your cab if you sell your Mesa
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#4
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But seriously, you really prefer the Line 6 over the Mesa?


Yup, it is seriously that freakin good!!!
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#6
Or is it just more versatile? If your going to sell your Mesa, take a look at the Line 6 HD147 just to try out and compare it with the Spider Valve. I was never fond of the Spider Valve.
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#8
Congrats on the NAD. I'm not surprised that you made the trade - Rectifier Solos are pretty meh amps.

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#9
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I've wanted a Mesa Triple Recto for many years. I got one about 2 or 3 years ago and have loved it ever seance. Although it can be a pain if you like to keep your house clean and free of clutter. And you might want a clean amp, and an AB Y switcher, and reverb through the effects loop, and some effects to the Mesa, Some to only the clean amp, and some to both. Plus all the powercords to all the pedals and effects and amps, and all the cords to between effects and all the cords to the mics for recording. So set up and take down was a major pain in the ass. But I still loved the Mesa.

Until last week, I bought a brand new Line 6 Spider Valve, after being urged to by a friend who is on tour with his band.

He used to work at a large guitar store and told me that the amp section was exactly like the Bogner's (all schmatics are identical!), but with added effects and very user friendly controls. So it really is a real tube amp!

So I picked up the Spider Valve HD100 head for $430 last week, and I couldn't be happier!!! It is so easy to use, you can set your presets and just click the button or foot controler and it brings back all your setting..... SO THERE IS NO MORE WORRIEING ABOUT SOMEONE MOVING THE SETTINGS ON YOUR AMP!!! Plus it is very easy to set up, one cord for the controler. It works great for recording cause it has a SLR output that actually sounds great plugged into a recording system (see pics). And all you have to change for gigs is your volume, then just use the foot controller. Plus it has a built in tuner with a display on the foot controller. Its got 200 preset sounds and 36 user pre-sets you can change and save for instant recall at the click of the foot switch, and all you need to change for a gig is the volume! It all works very well!!!

But the best part? IT SOUNDS FREAKING AWSOME!!!!! I can get the same sounds (if not better) in the Line 6 that I can get with my Mesa! It really sounds like a Bogner. Just with really good effects!!!! It is sooo good I'm gonna be selling my Mesa Triple Recto cause I now have no use for it! And sence they are comming out with a new model soon you can pick one up for mid $400 range!

It is the best amp I've ever played on, and if you've never tried one I URGE you to!!!












my old set up






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#10
Quote by Ghold125
Or is it just more versatile? If your going to sell your Mesa, take a look at the Line 6 HD147 just to try out and compare it with the Spider Valve. I was never fond of the Spider Valve.


the HD147 isn't tube, and doesn't sound just like a Bogner when you crank it though.

but Line 6 has started building some great stuff!
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#11
The HD100 is a great amp. It does not, however, have an identical tube layout. Its a simple system though.

Preamp Modeler - > Preamp Tubes - > Effects -> Tone Section - > Power Tubes - > Output Transformer

Thats really all there is to the spider valves. Don't get me wrong I love the sound of them and they have some of THE best affordable effects systems on the planet, its just that they don't sound quite like the amps they model after. Very good renditions, but if you took a uberschall and put it next to a sv100 you'd be able to tell which is which without looking.

But like I said, they're great amps, and the fact that you got it so cheap makes me want to find that good of a deal. And high five for flipping mesa the bird xD
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#12
excellent job sir...i work in a big guitar shop / chain and have worked the guitar/amp for 2 years now. I've had marshalls, vox, fenders, peaveys, and many other tube heads / combos role in and out. When the spider valve head came out I instantly thought that it had to be an overplayed gimmick, especially when it sells under a grand new. However, sure enough, it is all tube, same basic setup as the spider III, but with a full tube pre and power section. Now the tone isn't the absolute best I have ever heard (H&K triamp for one, and Rivera K-Tre), but for god sakes it sells new for $700-800 US new and the tone is incredible. After playing with it for a month and waiting to see if they have any common problems (they don't) I (a guy with a $2,000 Rivera head) forced my co-guitarist to buy one and honestly it sounds fantastic...and the sad thing is, even though I still prefer my tone, my amp by no meens downplays his. If anything they compliment each other quite well. Once again kudos to you for making the switch, and to anybody else who is in the market for a valve head...concider this amp with an open mind (concidering line 6's notorious track record) and I think you will be suprised.
#13
could have gotten a vetta -_______-

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#14
It's hard to not make this post seem condescending, but, why not get a Vetta 2? I've played both and the Vetta is leaps better.
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#15
Congrats man!
I would do the same thing.
I don't really like the Rectifier Solo Heads. Spider Valves are great!

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#16
Glad to see someone is actually giving the SV the respect it deserves on this forum. I don't know if I'd get rid of my Recto over it, but if it was a Vetta, that'd be a different story, I love mine to death.

Did you check out the Peavey Vypyr Tube? I tried one Friday at GC and was actually extremely impressed. The models of the Peavey amps actually sounded the worst to me, which is kind of ironic, but the Recto model was sick as hell, definitely not the same as a real Recto, but it had definition I VERY seldom hear in an amp, let alone one that costs that much.


P.S. I hope you bought you SV from American Musical, they're on sale for $450
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#17
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Glad to see someone is actually giving the SV the respect it deserves on this forum. I don't know if I'd get rid of my Recto over it, but if it was a Vetta, that'd be a different story, I love mine to death.

Did you check out the Peavey Vypyr Tube? I tried one Friday at GC and was actually extremely impressed. The models of the Peavey amps actually sounded the worst to me, which is kind of ironic, but the Recto model was sick as hell, definitely not the same as a real Recto, but it had definition I VERY seldom hear in an amp, let alone one that costs that much.


P.S. I hope you bought you SV from American Musical, they're on sale for $450


The one thing I find that plagues tube modellers is that unless you get the master volume high enough to get the t00bs cooking, the amp still sounds distinctly digital.

However, once the t00bs are cooking, the sounds are pretty impressive.

Sadly enough, I've only been able to crank the master volume on my Spider Valve a few times.
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#18
can't believe what i'm reading. now i really need to try them.
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#19
haha i've never tried the spider valve, i've tried the spiders ss amps and those i hated, but after reading this i owe it to myself to go try one
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#20
Remember to crank the amps.
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#21
glad you found an amp you're happy with, man. HNAD


(i'm proud of UG for the very low level of flaming in this thread. hahah)
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glad you found an amp you're happy with, man. HNAD


(i'm proud of UG for the very low level of flaming in this thread. hahah)


Couldn't possibly flame the TS, I had a SV Head for a couple of months. Ridiculously easy to gig with because of the whole footswitch preset thing, and I never had to turn the master volume past a third of the way to drown out the rest of my band. Never was completely satisfied with the tones I got out of it though, always felt like the digital pre-amp section was having a bit too much influence and everything was a bit sterile, perhaps had something to do with never being able to push the power tubes properly.

And now as I type this I realise all I had to do was turn down the pre-amp volume on my presets and use more master.

F**K

Anyway yeah congratulations, for the money I reckon its a stupidly good amp.
#23
I've played both amps because the other guitarist in my band owns both of them as well as an ENGL standard cab with V60 speakers.

I've got to say that the Mesa blows the Line 6 away.
The line 6 sounds terribly digital.
When he solos, it sounds like someone is playing a really loud gameboy.
I'm not even exaggerating much.
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#24
HNAD!

but i would trade the Line 6 for a Line6 HD147 or a vetta, they're much better than the Spider Valve.
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#25
Quote by ragingkitty
The one thing I find that plagues tube modellers is that unless you get the master volume high enough to get the t00bs cooking, the amp still sounds distinctly digital.

However, once the t00bs are cooking, the sounds are pretty impressive.

Sadly enough, I've only been able to crank the master volume on my Spider Valve a few times.

I found that true for the SV, but the Vypyr was surprisingly organic sounding at all volumes.
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#26
Quote by Pennderinn
haha i've never tried the spider valve, i've tried the spiders ss amps and those i hated, but after reading this i owe it to myself to go try one


Althouth some of the posts are probably right, the Spider Valve doesn't sound "exactly" like a recto or a Ubershall, it does however have a GREAT tube sound of its own.

And with all the features and truely GREAT effects, and presets......

You've gotta try one!!!! (And I used to talk crap about Line 6 when they first started out, all the way up to recently when I tried a friends POD about 8 months ago)!
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#27
Im sure its a great amp for the price but..... my god.... have you ever actually played a bogner? a custom shop...not the alchemist. Totally worth the insane price tag. My ecstasy had me creamin in my britches at first power chord, i guarantee a spider doesn't have the same vibe to it.
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#28
HNAD speedinc!





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PS: I saw your spinning rod too. Sweet.


EDIT: Side note for MatrixClaw - was it you or MESAEx that despised the tube Vypyrs just a month ago? I ask because I noticed you've been talking up the Vypyr 60 lately. Just askin'

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Side note for MatrixClaw - was it you or MESAEx that despised the tube Vypyrs just a month ago? I ask because I noticed you've been talking up the Vypyr 60 lately. Just askin'


Must've been Cory as I've never played a Vypyr until Friday
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#30
Sweeeet I love my SV too

You should start a SpiderValve thread where we can share settings and junk
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#31
Good decision sir! I love my Spider Valve, just picked it up with the matching 4x12 cab with celestion V 30's over the labor day weekend.

Although, I don't use a any of the built in effects. I got the fbv and use it for channels but I use my m13 stompbox modeler for reverbs and delays and whatnot.
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#32
Quote by JMeasles
Good decision sir! I love my Spider Valve, just picked it up with the matching 4x12 cab with celestion V 30's over the labor day weekend.

Although, I don't use a any of the built in effects. I got the fbv and use it for channels but I use my m13 stompbox modeler for reverbs and delays and whatnot.

Hope you got it from American Musical as well, the heads are only $450.
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#33
HNAD Buddy!

I was so close to being a SV owner a couple of weeks ago. I ordered the thing from Musiciansfriend, and they told me that I was getting one of the last ones in stock. As it turned out, they were backordered, so I ended up getting my Egnater off of them for $700. Had I gotten the SV though, I would have used an attenuator and changed the speaker, as well as installing the famous SVpre mod. I've heard that Eminence 125's sound beastly through the thing.
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#34
Quote by MatrixClaw
Hope you got it from American Musical as well, the heads are only $450.


Nope. Actually I got it thru Best Buy. Paid around $900 for the head and cab together. Austin's Best Buy has a music section and since my lady works for Best Buy we got a nice discount.

The ONLY complaint I have is that when you change to a preset the 'default' channel volume is loud so it screams at me if I forget to wiggle the channel volume.


And what is this "famous SV pre mod" ?
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#35
Quote by JMeasles
Nope. Actually I got it thru Best Buy. Paid around $900 for the head and cab together. Austin's Best Buy has a music section and since my lady works for Best Buy we got a nice discount.

The ONLY complaint I have is that when you change to a preset the 'default' channel volume is loud so it screams at me if I forget to wiggle the channel volume.


And what is this "famous SV pre mod" ?


The SVpre mod replaces the solid state preamp circuitry of the Spider Valve with a 12AX7-based circuit. You still have all the modelling though. It really improves the feel and the tone of the amp.

http://www.strymon.net/products/svpre/
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#36
Quote by JMeasles
Nope. Actually I got it thru Best Buy. Paid around $900 for the head and cab together. Austin's Best Buy has a music section and since my lady works for Best Buy we got a nice discount.

The ONLY complaint I have is that when you change to a preset the 'default' channel volume is loud so it screams at me if I forget to wiggle the channel volume.


And what is this "famous SV pre mod" ?

Well even better!

http://www.strymon.net/products/svpre/
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#37
If I was going from Mesa to Line 6, I would have gone for the Vetta, or even the Flextone.
#38
Ok I did some readin on that Strymon mod, I think I can see one of those in the future, but I'm going to wait and use that sate myself when the inevitable desire for more kicks in. I'm happy as it is.
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#39
Quote by Gmarkey
Sweeeet I love my SV too

You should start a SpiderValve thread where we can share settings and junk


I'll second that!!!
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#40
Quote by MatrixClaw
Hope you got it from American Musical as well, the heads are only $450.


Nope, I got mine from Motor City Guitar in Waterford Mi, $430.
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