#1
I am looking to buy an electric guitar and amp soon.

But due to my limited resources, I can't have both a good axe and a good amp.

So if you were in my situation..

would you rather buy a crap guitar and a brilliant amp, or the other way around?
#2
Good amp, crap guitar.

How much money do you have?
What music do you play?

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#3
no, get an ok guitar and amp, if you have a ****ty guitar you will hate it and wont play as much
#4
Get the guitar you want and get an acceptable practice amp.

IMO, for starters, you'd want to feel very happy with your guitar and the guitar should be something you'd want to pickup and play. If your guitar is something you don't like, you'll never pick it up even if your amp tone sounds like a million dollars.

Once you get a feel for the music you want to play, then look into upgrading your amp.

Otherwise, you'd have a decent amp that you'll upgrade soon for better tones. Better to have a cheaper amp you can sell on, than an expensive amp you'll sell on because you don't like its tone. Either way, you'll soon be upgrading your amp before your guitar.

The amp affects 70% of your tone, with that much impact, its better to get something cheap and reasonably versatile, so that you can explore the various tones available. Once you know what you want your tone to sound like, then you can look at upgrading your amp towards the amp that'll give you the sound you want.

I find that more people change amps than guitars. Hence get a decent guitar, and an acceptable practice amp (something like a Roland Cube 15 or Peavey Vypyr 15 - these are cheap but versatile amps for you to find your sea-legs so as to speak).
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#5
A good guitar through a **** amp will sound better than a **** guitar through a good amp.

Also you'll be much happier if you're playing something that feels good.
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#6
Quote by Jesstaa
A good guitar through a **** amp will sound better than a **** guitar through a good amp.

Also you'll be much happier if you're playing something that feels good.


Uhm you've got it totally ass-backwards.
A crap guitar will sound SO MUCH better through a nice amp than a nice guitar through a crap amp will.
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#7
The bare minimum you'll need to have is a Roland Cube, anything lower than that is a questionable decision.
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#8
I have a crap guitar going through an ok amp and it sounds much better than the other way around (my friend has a good strat and he used to have a bad amp, infact he still does haha)
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#9
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Uhm you've got it totally ass-backwards.
A crap guitar will sound SO MUCH better through a nice amp than a nice guitar through a crap amp will.



I used to play my casino strat rip off (Half decent, not great) through a Marshall valvestate, it was terrible. When I played the Jackson Kelly Performer I also had sitting around, through the same amp, it kicked arse. Same thing with my 5watt practice amp.
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#10
Quote by jc349
Good amp, crap guitar.

How much money do you have?
What music do you play?

I have about $200 I can spend on a guitar. My parents are buying the amp, so that shouldn't be a problem.

I play rock in general. I get in the mood for metal sometimes.

Quote by ragingkitty
Get the guitar you want and get an acceptable practice amp.

IMO, for starters, you'd want to feel very happy with your guitar and the guitar should be something you'd want to pickup and play. If your guitar is something you don't like, you'll never pick it up even if your amp tone sounds like a million dollars.

Once you get a feel for the music you want to play, then look into upgrading your amp.

Otherwise, you'd have a decent amp that you'll upgrade soon for better tones. Better to have a cheaper amp you can sell on, than an expensive amp you'll sell on because you don't like its tone. Either way, you'll soon be upgrading your amp before your guitar.

The amp affects 70% of your tone, with that much impact, its better to get something cheap and reasonably versatile, so that you can explore the various tones available. Once you know what you want your tone to sound like, then you can look at upgrading your amp towards the amp that'll give you the sound you want.

I find that more people change amps than guitars. Hence get a decent guitar, and an acceptable practice amp (something like a Roland Cube 15 or Peavey Vypyr 15 - these are cheap but versatile amps for you to find your sea-legs so as to speak).

Wow.

Thank you. But I don't think I'll be upgrading things that often.. my parents are paying for the amp, and I'm very poor. I'm still 15, I don't have a job or anything.. I've been doing chores around the house to get cash. (Lame, I know )
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#11
Quote by chaoticfables
Wow.

Thank you. But I don't think I'll be upgrading things that often.. my parents are paying for the amp, and I'm very poor. I'm still 15, I don't have a job or anything.. I've been doing chores around the house to get cash. (Lame, I know )


Well, honestly, even if you say you don't want to, you will be making purchases and upgrades soon enough.

Just ask around, everyone of us suffer from GAS, and soon you will too.

If you have $200 you can spend on the guitar, try to get the best deal around.

AVOID THE STARTER PACKS AT ALL COST.

See if you can get a good Epi, Schecter or at least one of the better Squire. Beware, with the Epi and Squire guitars, you'll need someone experience and trustworthy to help you find a reliable guitar, as their factory QC process is quite erratic. However, IMO, the Yamaha Pacifica is a very solid guitar you should consider.

Get an experienced and humble guitarist to help with picking a guitar, and make sure you feel absolutely comfortable with the guitar.

For the amp, you can consider things like the Roland Cube and Peavey Vypyr. These two are modelling amps, so you can get a whole range of different amp sounds you can mess around with until you find that one tone which defines your sound.

If your parents can spare some more cash, you can also try the Blues Junior or Blackheart Little Giant (or Killer Ant). These are the mid range amps that really aren't starter amps. However, generally these amps will last you quite a while before you upgrade. I wouldn't recommend these amps as they aren't beginner amps, but they are worth considering.

Is there a particular style of music you see yourself playing and what kind of budget do you have for the amp? Such information helps us when we provide some recommendations you can look at.

Also chill, at 15 no one is expecting you to be able to bust out a 100 watt Marshall full stack, and everyone of us started where you are. We'd also like to see new guitarists begin on the right footing.

Indicative prices of amps
Roland Cube 15X
US$99
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Roland-Cube-15X-Amp?sku=487030

Roland Cube 20X
US$189
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Roland-Cube-20X-Amp-With-COSM?sku=487031

Peavey Vypyr 15
US$99
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Peavey-Vypyr-15-15W-1x8-Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=482908

Peavey Vypyv 30
US$199
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Peavey-Vypyr-30-30W-1x12-Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=482909

Note that in terms of reliability, both amps are reliable, but the Roland Cube seems somewhat more reliable as I have heard less issues with the Cube than with the Vypyr.

For guitars within the $100 - $200 price range
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/navigation/solid-body-electric-guitars?N=100001+306241+8

Personally, I have played Yamaha Pacificas and they are solid and reliable instruments, with great bang for your buck. Reliable, good playability, lasting and solid all round.
US$179.99
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-PAC012DLX-Pacifica-HSS-Deluxe-Electric-Guitar?sku=519177

While I am aware gear is more expensive in Oceania, these will give you indicative prices for the guitars and amps you can consider.
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#12
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Quote by ragingkitty
While I am aware gear is more expensive in Oceania, these will give you indicative prices for the guitars and amps you can consider.

Yup, I kinda wish I was in America. Here, Epiphone Les Paul Customs are about $300 New Zealand dollars, and I think 1 NZ dollar is about 70 US dollars. You do the math.

I'll probably check out the Roland Cube, I've checked out some demos on YouTube. It sounded pretty slick.
#13
Quote by chaoticfables
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Yup, I kinda wish I was in America. Here, Epiphone Les Paul Customs are about $300 New Zealand dollars, and I think 1 NZ dollar is about 70 US dollars. You do the math.

I'll probably check out the Roland Cube, I've checked out some demos on YouTube. It sounded pretty slick.


I know the feeling, I have a cousin living in NZ, and he tells me the prices are absurd.

Have you checked Trade Me?
http://www.trademe.co.nz

There are a tone of gear on that page.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Music-instruments/Instruments/Guitar-bass/Electric-guitars/mcat-0343-0892-1118-1320-.htm

Are you willing to consider 2nd hand? I'd recommend 2nd hand, that way, when you resell the stuff, you don't lose much in terms of resale value.

My cousin says that Trade Me is pretty decent for gear in NZ.
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#14
Quote by ragingkitty
Have you checked Trade Me?
http://www.trademe.co.nz

There are a tone of gear on that page.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Music-instruments/Instruments/Guitar-bass/Electric-guitars/mcat-0343-0892-1118-1320-.htm

Are you willing to consider 2nd hand? I'd recommend 2nd hand, that way, when you resell the stuff, you don't lose much in terms of resale value.

My cousin says that Trade Me is pretty decent for gear in NZ.

I'm probably buying the guitar itself from TradeMe My friend bought an Ibanez RG FM... something... from TradeMe for $500. RRP $1200. Pretty good deal.

But the amp, I will probably buy brand new.
#15
Quote by chaoticfables
I'm probably buying the guitar itself from TradeMe My friend bought an Ibanez RG FM... something... from TradeMe for $500. RRP $1200. Pretty good deal.

But the amp, I will probably buy brand new.


Remember to read up on how to buy a 2nd guitar before you make the plunge, there are a few things to look up for like grounding, wiring, loose parts etc, but all these matters are pretty easy to check.

Good luck.

Remember to post NGD pics when you get them.
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#16
Quote by ragingkitty
Remember to read up on how to buy a 2nd guitar before you make the plunge, there are a few things to look up for like grounding, wiring, loose parts etc, but all these matters are pretty easy to check.

Good luck.

Remember to post NGD pics when you get them.

Will do.

Thank you!
#17
what is your budget? rather than getting a good guitar and crap amp, or vice versa, you might be better advised to get a decent, but not great, example of each.
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#18
Quote by ragingkitty

AVOID THE STARTER PACKS AT ALL COST.

I agree, however, they're not always that bad. My first guitar was apart of the Ibanez Starter Pack, and it was great. I loved playing it and it really got me into guitar.

But yes, I'd definitely recommend getting an amp and guitar seperate.
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#19
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I agree, however, they're not always that bad. My first guitar was apart of the Ibanez Starter Pack, and it was great. I loved playing it and it really got me into guitar.

But yes, I'd definitely recommend getting an amp and guitar seperate.


Agreed, but its not always easy to identify the good and the bad ones.

Also TS, NEVER EVER EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, EVEN WHEN THREATEN WITH THE PAIN OF DEATH buy either of these amps:

1. ANY Marshall MG, if it has the phrase "MG", it means MIGHTY GRUESOME sound. Never touch a Marshall that contains the phrase MG anywhere in its name, serial number, faceplate etc etc
2. ANY Line 6 SPIDER III or IV amp..

Learn from the collected wisdom of UG.
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#20
Need a guitar?

Pawn shops.

Seriously.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Feel free to express yours so I can make an informed judgement about how stupid you are.
#21
Quote by Dave_Mc
what is your budget? rather than getting a good guitar and crap amp, or vice versa, you might be better advised to get a decent, but not great, example of each.

About $300 for the guitar, and my parents are probably getting the amp. But the price has to be reasonable.

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Need a guitar?

Pawn shops.

Seriously.

Welcome to New Zealand! Not a pawn shop anywhere near me.
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#22
^ That's a shame. They're an excellent source of great gear priced to sell.
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#23
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^ That's a shame. They're an excellent source of great gear priced to sell.

Yeah, I've only heard about them on the internet.. I heard there were some very versatile guitars and gear there
#24
Quote by Jesstaa
I used to play my casino strat rip off (Half decent, not great) through a Marshall valvestate, it was terrible. When I played the Jackson Kelly Performer I also had sitting around, through the same amp, it kicked arse. Same thing with my 5watt practice amp.


This actually made my head hurt. What were you really expecting? For you're cheap rip off to plug in and decimate the jackson kelly just 'cos it was run through an ok amp? Of course the Kelly will sound better in a direct comparison! The sound your meant to compare is how the cheap rip off sounds through the different amps!

(If that was harsh I apologise I'm quite annoyed at the moment)

TS, for a cheapish first electric why not looki into the Dean Evo series. Pretty solidly built guitars sound allright and the neck on them is just wonderful for starting.
For amps, I personally would say avoid the Peavey Vyper as well but that may just be me, I couldn't find a tone on it that I liked The cubes seem pretty solid though.
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#25
Quote by chaoticfables
About $300 for the guitar, and my parents are probably getting the amp. But the price has to be reasonable.


will $300 NZ buy you a yamaha pacifica 112v?

if your parents will stretch to a roland microcube (not sure how much it is where you are, but here it's about £65), that would be great for a starter amp, assuming it's only for practicing.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#26
Quote by chaoticfables
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Yup, I kinda wish I was in America. Here, Epiphone Les Paul Customs are about $300 New Zealand dollars, and I think 1 NZ dollar is about 70 US dollars. You do the math.

I'll probably check out the Roland Cube, I've checked out some demos on YouTube. It sounded pretty slick.

But 1NZD is worth more then a US dollar (1NZD equals about .70 USD). If your getting a Epiphone Les Paul Custom for 300 that sounds like a really good deal. Except you probaly dont actualy know the prices and exchange rates
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#27
In that price range, you have 2 good options on the guitar. Yamaha Pacifica, and OLP MM1.
Also, maybe something like this http://www.rondomusic.com/al2000rootbeer.html
They make hilariously good guitars for the money.
For the amp, get a small modeller (Peavey Vyper, Vox VT, line 6 POD etc.)
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#28
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But 1NZD is worth more then a US dollar (1NZD equals about .70 USD).


you've got that backwards. if one NZD is worth 70 US cents (and it is, I just checked xe.com), that means a US dollar is worth more than a NZ dollar. one US dollar will therefore buy you ~1.42NZ dollars.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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Presumably because the CCF (Combined Corksniffing Forces) of MLP and Gibson forums would rise up against them, plunging the land into war.

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#29
Get a 2nd hand guitar, maybe with a bit of wear. You should get a lot of the new price.

Then get a good amp, amp is more important than a guitar in terms of sound.
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