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#1
Do you believe that teenagers should be tried as adults?
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#2
No...because then adult trials would include teenagers. It defeats the purpose for having the 2 different kinds.
#4
teenagers could be either 13 or 19. theres a huge range. some should be, some shouldnt.
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I have no opinion on this matter.
#5
No. Teenagers are just as stupid as kids.
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teenagers could be either 13 or 19. theres a huge range. some should be, some shouldnt.


and there you have it everyone
#8
Yet thousands of kids out there are serving sentences that are way above the severity of their crime. There's a kid I know that's serving 35 to life for attempted murder, and another kid is tried for the same crime but is serving 10 years.

I also found out one of my very good friends might be sent to prison for 5 years after stealing a kid's itouch and getting into a fight with the kid's dad and his friends.
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#9
Ones that aren't mature enough to have the blame placed on them are the idiots that hang around in groups and beat up random people. Hear enough of kids in groups aged 14 to 15 kicked someone to death and stamped on their heads, them kids should be tried as adults. They shouldn't be on the streets if they don't think that would kill someone.
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Yet thousands of kids out there are serving sentences that are way above the severity of their crime. There's a kid I know that's serving 35 to life for attempted murder, and another kid is tried for the same crime but is serving 10 years.

I also found out one of my very good friends might be sent to prison for 5 years after stealing a kid's itouch and getting into a fight with the kid's dad and his friends.


Then your very good friend needs to get his life right, prison could be best place for him
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Then your very good friend needs to get his life right, prison could be best place for him


Yeah because locking him up does so much for him and the community. The punishments don't work.
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I also found out one of my very good friends might be sent to prison for 5 years after stealing a kid's itouch and getting into a fight with the kid's dad and his friends.

So what? That's justice. iTouches aren't cheap and stealing is against the law, as is fighting.
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No. Teenagers are just as stupid as kids.


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#14
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Yeah because locking him up does so much for him and the community. The punishments don't work.


What?! :S Dude...........I know hes your friend and all but he stole a kids itouch then had a fight..............they are expensive and I suppose you'd rather have a sad kid and have your friend rather beat up his dad and got away with it, do you? I say you should go in prison to sort you out. You come to where I live, its full of people like that not getting enough punishment. Some guy stabbed another and he only got 2 years then bragged about it once he was out. He went on to stab another guy after trying to steal a shop till. That guy nearly died because he was trynig to do the right thing. The right thing is to NOT give a sentence acceptable for a crime since that can never be done. At least longer sentences will sort these people out, which is what they need.
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So what? That's justice. iTouches aren't cheap and stealing is against the law, as is fighting.


Do you know how much it costs to keep someone in prison for 5 years? 5 years is unreasonable for a crime like stealing. My friend stole $300 worth of stuff and he got 60 hours of community service and had to pay back the $300 + compensation. My friend stole less than that, got into a petty fight and might serve 5 years. Incredibly unreasonable.

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What?! :S Dude...........I know hes your friend and all but he stole a kids itouch then had a fight..............they are expensive and I suppose you'd rather have a sad kid and have your friend rather beat up his dad and got away with it, do you? I say you should go in prison to sort you out. You come to where I live, its full of people like that not getting enough punishment. Some guy stabbed another and he only got 2 years then bragged about it once he was out. He went on to stab another guy after trying to steal a shop till. That guy nearly died because he was trynig to do the right thing. The right thing is to NOT give a sentence acceptable for a crime since that can never be done. At least longer sentences will sort these people out, which is what they need.


Exactly what I wanted. That guy who stabbed someone got two years. This 15 year old kid got 35 to life for ATTEMPTED murder, and no one was hurt. All he was doing was driving a car while some guy shot a gun out the window. 35 years for ATTEMPTED murder. How is that reasonable?
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Do you know how much it costs to keep someone in prison for 5 years? 5 years is unreasonable for a crime like stealing. My friend stole $300 worth of stuff and he got 60 hours of community service and had to pay back the $300 + compensation. My friend stole less than that, got into a petty fight and might serve 5 years. Incredibly unreasonable.


Exactly what I wanted. That guy who stabbed someone got two years. This 15 year old kid got 35 to life for ATTEMPTED murder, and no one was hurt. All he was doing was driving a car while some guy shot a gun out the window. 35 years for ATTEMPTED murder. How is that reasonable?



Excuse me? Are you insane or something? HE DROVE WHILST SOME GUY SHOT A GUN OUT THE WINDOW! He is apart of that crime in driving around for that guy and ATTEMPTED murder, has you said it is the right thing. The innocent need protecting more then the bloody criminal. That 15 year old needs to be taken off the streets, life sentence will be a bloody good shock for him. He was helping someone to shoot someone else, its still pretty bad and REALLY wrong. I'am happy to pay more tax, etc to keep there people behind bars, either that or death penalty. Some of these things people do, they shouldn't have their human rights.
#17
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teenagers could be either 13 or 19. theres a huge range. some should be, some shouldnt.

That's why they drew a handy line at 18, at least in the US. But they still try kids under 18 as adults, even though they have a law that says that they are not adults. If they don't have all the rights as an adult, they shouldn't be tried as one.

EDIT: to the guy above me, the kid was 15, he's an idiot. That's why they made this law in the first place.
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#18
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Do you know how much it costs to keep someone in prison for 5 years? 5 years is unreasonable for a crime like stealing. My friend stole $300 worth of stuff and he got 60 hours of community service and had to pay back the $300 + compensation. My friend stole less than that, got into a petty fight and might serve 5 years. Incredibly unreasonable.


Exactly what I wanted. That guy who stabbed someone got two years. This 15 year old kid got 35 to life for ATTEMPTED murder, and no one was hurt. All he was doing was driving a car while some guy shot a gun out the window. 35 years for ATTEMPTED murder. How is that reasonable?

1st paragraph: Fights are still illegal, and iPod Touches are close to $300. At least they were when I bought mine.

2nd paragraph: Are you even serious? Driving a car while someone shoots out a window is still attempted murder. He could've chose to not drive.
#19
No.

Being 18 now, I can realise how honestly stupid teenagers actually are.

Adult should be 18 or 21 and over.
#20
Just accept it, you know and are friends with the wrong type of people if you are trying to stick up for their crimes. Its not fair on the innocent and there are alot of do gooders who stick up for the criminals more then the innocent so how is it fair on me? I work, I pay tax, I've never broken the law, yet anyway. Why have I gotta suffer and be afraid of walking down my own street? Tell me that then if you are right about this stuff.
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No. Teenagers are just as stupid as kids.

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#22
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Do you know how much it costs to keep someone in prison for 5 years? 5 years is unreasonable for a crime like stealing. My friend stole $300 worth of stuff and he got 60 hours of community service and had to pay back the $300 + compensation. My friend stole less than that, got into a petty fight and might serve 5 years. Incredibly unreasonable.


Exactly what I wanted. That guy who stabbed someone got two years. This 15 year old kid got 35 to life for ATTEMPTED murder, and no one was hurt. All he was doing was driving a car while some guy shot a gun out the window. 35 years for ATTEMPTED murder. How is that reasonable?

Sounds like you and your friend are pretty damn stupid
#23
You should know what is right and wrong when you are 10 years old let alone a teenager. I think maybe teenagers should get more of a second chance but if they abuse that then they should be tried as an adult.
#24
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When they do something really stupid they should.



That's a bit hypocritical.

The idea behind difference in prosecution, is that kids are given favour of doubt that they are not yet grown up enough to understand the responsibility by/off their actions.

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#25
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That's a bit hypocritical.

The idea behind difference in prosecution, is that kids are given favour of doubt that they are not yet grown up enough to understand the responsibility by their actions.

When I said really stupid, I meant stupid stupid. Like, that's so dumb it should be a given that you don't do that. Examples: Stealing something high of value, killing someone, attempting to kill someone, threatening someone's life, etc.
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That's a bit hypocritical.

The idea behind difference in prosecution, is that kids are given favour of doubt that they are not yet grown up enough to understand the responsibility by their actions.

So.. Say a 16 year old kills a person.
Should that 16 year old not go to prison for the normal sentence of a murder?
or should they just go to juvie until they turn 18?

i'd say 15-16 year olds are old enough to be responsible for their own actions as far as vandilism, drugs, murder and all that stuff is concerned. I've done plenty of that [ minus the killing lololol ] when I was around that age and was fully aware of the consequences and the trouble I could get in.
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All he was doing was driving a car while some guy shot a gun out the window.


Yup, he was just casually minding his own business when somebody unexpectedly started shooting out of his own car!
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When I said really stupid, I meant stupid stupid. Like, that's so dumb it should be a given that you don't do that. Examples: Stealing something high of value, killing someone, attempting to kill someone, threatening someone's life, etc.



You seem to miss the point.

To you it seems something that is obvious, but kids get the advantage of that they don't know responsibility.

I know some kids do understand the obvious, but in reality things aren't that easy.

Off course it depends on the case, but it's a debate which will never end, because they often come as ethical paradoxes.

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#29
IMO, it really depends on context and the reason for the crime.

If it's something like rape or intended murder, then yes.

If it's something like shoplifting, depends on the item and the reason for it I guess, like stealing a gun to murder someone, IMO, you should be tried as an adult.
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So.. Say a 16 year old kills a person.
Should that 16 year old not go to prison for the normal sentence of a murder?
or should they just go to juvie until they turn 18?

i'd say 15-16 year olds are old enough to be responsible for their own actions as far as vandilism, drugs, murder and all that stuff is concerned. I've done plenty of that [ minus the killing lololol ] when I was around that age and was fully aware of the consequences and the trouble I could get in.

A larger part of adult prison, though, is punishment and keeping the inmates away from the public. Juvenile prisons put a lot more emphasis on rehabilitation and getting the inmates out as soon as possible rather than leave them to stew to keep the public safe.

The number of vandalisms and drug felonies that are committed by youths because of peer pressure or other personal problems that they aren't mature enough to properly deal with is substantial.
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#31
I believe teenagers are generally going to be misguided to perform certain breaches of law based on pressure for social acceptance whether it is to improve their status at school, (like fighting someone to seem tougher), or to fulfill a duty to their chosen clique they socialise with, (lets say tagging a wall or stabbing a person because they are in a rival gang).

So I really DON'T think teenagers should be tried as adults if these are the factors but there are different circumstances as to why someone performed a behaviour they did, and it's really hard to conclude with an answer to a question ambiguous like what the TS asked. It really just depends on the circumstances.

I'd easily generalise that most teenagers just do not fathom the consequences of their actions.
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A larger part of adult prison, though, is punishment and keeping the inmates away from the public. Juvenile prisons put a lot more emphasis on rehabilitation and getting the inmates out as soon as possible rather than leave them to stew to keep the public safe.

The number of vandalisms and drug felonies that are committed by youths because of peer pressure or other personal problems that they aren't mature enough to properly deal with is substantial.



This as well;

A teenager/kid is still prone to developing prime social processes.

If he/she stays in prison, then when he gets out the chance of relapse is so big, because he will partially "grow up" around criminals.

Most people can go in therapy, but it usually learns them to develop a coping against it, cause it's (as far as I) know impossible to "un-develop" personality traits cause they are in ur subconscious mind

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#33
if teenagers can't have the privleges of being an adult, then they shouldn't be trialled as one either.
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#34
Depends what they did really.

Tried as an aldult for bad stuff like murder and armed robery, and as a wee child for less important stuff like shoplifting
#35
No. Through puberty the mind starts working differently, and a child only starts thinking like an adult when they're around 15 years old, let alone the obvious maturity gap.

Teenagers should be tried for things, though, just not to the same standard as adults. The law does not exist to solely punish.
#36
Teenagers should not be tried as adults. Nor as children.
They should be tried as filthy rotten lying guilty bastards.
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#38
I don't think I phrased it correctly. My friend was driving his friends to a local 7-11 and one of the guys inside his car suddenly fired a gun in his car. No one was hurt and he got 1st degree attempted murder. 1st degree meaning that he was charged for it being pre meditated, even though he never knew beforehand. He never even knew he had a gun, he was trying to get a slurpee and now he's facing 35 to life.
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#39
It's the stupidest idea ever to try teenagers as adults. They're tried as children because they are children, they think like children, and they act like children, they do children things, they say children things, they believe children things.
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It's the stupidest idea ever to try teenagers as adults. They're tried as children because they are children, they think like children, and they act like children, they do children things, they say children things, they believe children things.


Childish things like murder and grand theft?
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