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edit: I changed the grammar mistake in the title...lol I know, a little ironic for this thread. I was trying to decide what to name this thread and I must have forgotton to erase the word "with"

As I was reminiscing my grade school days and remembering some of the struggles I had with my schoolwork, I realized that 95% of my problems were not with the actual work or the concepts being taught. Instead, they were with trying to keep at pace with the rediculous ways teachers presented material.

Some examples:

Multiplication and division. Why the hell are we taught "remainders", f'ing 7 step methods, and worst of all "borrowing?" Teachers come up with these "tips and tricks," systematic methods to getting correct answers. These methods distort the actual concepts of what is going. For example, in order to do 6x4=24 I was taught to "carry my one." Okay, so I carried my one like you wanted me to, but why the hell did I just do that? What is actually going on when I carry the one? Obviously now I know what's going on, but I didn't in the 2nd grade.

Spanish. We spend weeks studying present tense verb endings; ar= o, a, an, amos, etc... er=o, e, en, emos, etc...but we never learned WHY they were the way they were. As a result, we didn't understand the simple patterns until the end of the unit.

...why not just hand us a chart that has all the different types of verbs and their endings? That would have covered the first 3 weeks of Spanish I right there.

Another example from Spanish class. We had to memorize all the verb endings for the present, preterite, imperfect, and progressive tense. Everyone was confused because all these tenses and endings and augmentations were strange and un-english.

If they would have told us that the preterite endings are the english equivalent of the "ed" suffix, and that progressive endings are the english equivalent of the "ing" suffix, everyone would have understood and weeks would have been saved.


What do you guys think? Any similar experiences?

Ever thought, "OHHH, NOW I GET IT!!! Why didn't they explain it that way before?"
Last edited by halfback_712 at Sep 10, 2009,
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I agree...

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SO you're saying in both of those examples because of the way you were taught you fully understand everything now?


That is ****ed.
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Spanish. We spend weeks studying present tense verb endings; ar= o, a, an, amos, etc... er=o, e, en, emos, etc...but we never learned WHY they were the way they were. As a result, we didn't understand the simple patterns until the end of the unit.

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#6
Yes, that happens quite often.

We do all these little things, but I never understand why, then a year later next grade, I finally find out what it meant, why we did it, and it makes perfect sense.
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ok well notice how you know math and spanish now? that's because your teachers taught you the right way. for the most part at least.
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You're not supposed to learn anything in school, dummy.
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SO you're saying in both of those examples because of the way you were taught you fully understand everything now?


That is ****ed.


I'm saying that the way I was taught was confusing and inefficient. Now, having much more knowledge and education than before, I believe that the concepts I struggled with are much simpler than initially thought, and if I would have seen them in the light I see them now they would have came much easier.
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I'm saying that the way I was taught was confusing and inefficient. Now, having much more knowledge and education than before, I believe that the concepts I struggled with are much simpler than initially thought, and if I would have seen them in the light I see them now they would have came much easier.



Yeah but children don't comprehend things the way teenagers do, they had to be simplified in previous grades.
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Yeah but children don't comprehend things the way teenagers do, they had to be simplified in previous grades.


Yes, but often the "simplications" make things seem much harder than they really are.
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um everything u wanted ur school to do is taught in my school such as Spanish they hand us a chart and that reviewed all of Spanish 2 now its time to move on. math i can understand because long division was soon forgotten and now we have decimals with significant figures.
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Quote by halfback_712
Yes, but often the "simplications" make things seem much harder than they really are.


Do you have a better way? Teaching children is difficult.
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i think it really depends on your teacher. if i remember high school correctly i excelled in the classes where i liked/related to my teacher and they enjoyed what they taught
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Do you have a better way? Teaching children is difficult.



I believe I do, and I'm actually thinking about writing a book about it.
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I always just teach the kids in my math class how to do stuff since I can actually explain it.
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I always just teach the kids in my math class how to do stuff since I can actually explain it.


exactly, you must see what I mean
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I believe I do, and I'm actually thinking about writing a book about it.


i bet you don't.

children are a clean slate. they don't know what math or writing is and then a person has to make sure that they learn multiplication/division/addition/subtraction, which is hard. my teachers always taught us in visual ways. like 4 x 6 is like 4 circles filled with 6 little x's inside, how many x's total ? and then we count up all the x's with addition (something we knew hands down before tackling multiplication) and there you go.
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I completely agree. Education in america is horrible. I even went to a private school and that still didnt make a difference. It helped a little but we spend weeks on something that isnt even that important. Like in math they would show us a progress that we had to follow and then in the next class they would shows us a different formula that works a million times better then the last one and explain to us that we really dont even need to know the one they spend 3 weeks going over. Its extremely sad how bad our education is. From what ive heard education in europe and most other countries is twice as good if not better then the education in america.
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progressive endings are the english equivalent of the "ing" suffix
Is that "-ando?" If so, I learned that "-ando" was the equivalent of "-ing" but I didn't learn that it was called progressive. But then again, I couldn't tell you what the name for "-ing" ending verbs is. My teacher must have been doing it better than yours.
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I hate how my school teaches Math and English. Math is done mostly on computers and we have to do a certain amount of lessons a week. Its work at your own pace, but you still don't learn **** compared to the traditional style class, you just memorize enough to pass the test. English isn't taught very well at my school. Only two or three of the teachers actually do their job, they don't focus on grammar & writing until 11th grade(when you have to take the writing SOL test about a month and a half after the start of the semester). I feel like I haven't learned anything I didn't already know about grammar since middle school.
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Our math teacher is soooooo ****ing impatient, nobody wants to go ask him for help anyway. If you still dont understand after the second try, he'll start to get exasperated and almost yell at you.

Also, for some reason now soph and jun. math are being taught on computers now. Anyone else have this happen? Came back from break, and his room was full of computers and now they dont have to do any homework!!!!!

WTF?!?! (I finished all of our schools math classes last year.)

EDIT: ^huh, guess my schools not the only one lol
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I hate how my school teaches Math and English. Math is done mostly on computers and we have to do a certain amount of lessons a week. Its work at your own pace, but you still don't learn **** compared to the traditional style class, you just memorize enough to pass the test. English isn't taught very well at my school. Only two or three of the teachers actually do their job, they don't focus on grammar & writing until 11th grade(when you have to take the writing SOL test about a month and a half after the start of the semester). I feel like I haven't learned anything I didn't already know about grammar since middle school.



+1 to that but this is something different than the TS said so I still disagree with him.
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I know how to figure stuff like the -ando meaning the same as -ing in English out on my own, so, I can't really help you, TS. Sorry.

Although I do agree, the educational system could use a bit of.. touching up.
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#28
My classes are really slow. I've gotten a maximum of thirty assignments roughly since school started 3 weeks ago.
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Does anyone else dislike with the way things are taught in school?


You must have disliked grammar...
Seriously, English is my second language.

Damn grammar Nazi!

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You must have disliked grammar...
Seriously, English is my second language.

Damn grammar Nazi!

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I don't see a grammar mistake.
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I don't see a grammar mistake.

Does anyone else dislike with the way things are taught in school?

It should read; "Does anyone else dislike the way things are taught in school?"
"With" would be an unwanted prepositional phrase. It just doesn't flow.
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I don't see a grammar mistake.


wow rly? i guess the education system in america IS that bad. read it again...slowly
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I don't see a grammar mistake.

He said "dislike with the" instead of "dislike the".
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Does anyone else dislike with the way things are taught in school?

It should read; "Does anyone else dislike the way things are taught in school?"
"With" would be an unwanted prepositional phrase. It just doesn't flow.


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wow rly? i guess the education system in america IS that bad. read it again...slowly


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He said "dislike with the" instead of "dislike the".


Oh wow. I read that to myself about 50 times but I was didn't even see the "with." I guess my brain automatically corrects grammar.
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people learn different ways, teachers can't cater for everyone
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or they wont tell you how to convert fractions-decimals etc. until AFTER the ****ing test and then you get home and your parents take your guitar away for a month
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I dislike the school system in general. My school just spent a couple thousand dollars on new astroturf for the football field, yet cut back on education. We didn't need a new turf. We needed more promotion of the arts and english department, but the school I go to sucks anyway. I'm going to the same high school Billy Corgan went to, and he called it a "living hell". I agree.
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I dislike the school system in general. My school just spent a couple thousand dollars on new astroturf for the football field, yet cut back on education. We didn't need a new turf. We needed more promotion of the arts and english department, but the school I go to sucks anyway. I'm going to the same high school Billy Corgan went to, and he called it a "living hell". I agree.

A guy that works at my church went there with him. I kinda freaked when I heard that.

I hate the way they teach most things in school, as well as the requirements to get an education (general education for college, required classes for high school). For instance, I'm a junior this year. I have my mind made up for what I want to major in once I get to college and I'm dead-set on it. What I want to do requires no math at all other than some basic daily math, so why should I have to get the credit (I'm taking pre-calculus for college credit) if I don't need the knowledge for my chosen career path? Its a pathetic waste of time and money. Honestly college general education is to kind of help those who are unsure of their major get pushed in the general direction they wish to go on.
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