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What are some of the most important cons to stem cell research? I'm debating on it tomorrow and so far all I got are why its unethical.
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The religious right will claim that by messing with stem cells you are, in effect, playing God.


That, and the fact that most stem cells come from human embryos which many believe to be on par with abortion.
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there are none?


That's what I thought. The debate I think is incredibly one sided.

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The religious right will claim that by messing with stem cells you are, in effect, playing God.


That, and the fact that most stem cells come from human embryos which many believe to be on par with abortion.


That's all that's standing between researching it? Unless the groups I'm debating in front of are incredibly religous, I'm going to lose.
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There are none besides the ethical ones.
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That's what I thought. The debate I think is incredibly one sided.

any cons about stem cell research are ALWAYS ethical problems and terribly subjective, so I don't really think you can have a set list of cons.
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The debate is basicly Science Vs Religion, an age old debate which will never be settled.
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yup, ethical and religious norms,....so the doctor gets to play god
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#11
Its a great thing, religion is retarded anyway, I dunno why people listen to that crap.
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any cons about stem cell research are ALWAYS ethical problems and terribly subjective, so I don't really think you can have a set list of cons.


yeah but its not like they skinning babies alive
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It's not ALL religious, although a large part of it can be. What you could argue is that it's like taking life (because essentially those cells would grow into a person) and that it MAY not lead to any new scientific discoveries (although it probably will). I'd just focus on the fact that it's like killing somebody who could change the world etc etc.

In other words, you're screwed.
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you can basically grow back new skin on burn victims and new fingers and crazy crap but you get the majority of stem cells from abortions which is why people are afraid of doing it.
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That's all that's standing between researching it? Unless the groups I'm debating in front of are incredibly religous, I'm going to lose.



In short, yes.


There is really no way to win a debate when you are arguing for the side that you personally oppose. The last time I had to do this I just threw around a bunch of red herrings and ad hominems. It was actually fairly successful, perhaps you should look into doing that.
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no cons, except that abortions will need to be legal to maximize effectiveness of the resarch
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no cons, except that abortions will need to be legal to maximize effectiveness of the resarch



....uh, abortion is legal.


Roe v. Wade?
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None. Stem cell treatments have the potential to be pretty much the greatest thing ever.

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#21
To me taking stem cells from a human embryo makes me think of this.

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you can't hear the embryo scream. I understand you don't see it my way and I respect that.
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you can't hear the embryo scream. I understand you don't see it my way and I respect that.


it cant scream, it has no mind or any feelings or any emotions or anything. It's like saying you feel sorry for your blood cells if you cut your finger chopping carrots. In fact, you cant hear that carrot scream either. How do you live with yourself?
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....uh, abortion is legal.


Roe v. Wade?

didn't say it wasn't

just saying that is the only con to stem-cell
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No cons, and scientists are quickly developing ways of creating stem cells without using human embryos, so the ethical debate will soon go by the wayside as well.

EDIT: In fact, they can make stem cells from skin cells, but I don't think the stem cells they can create are quite as malleable as the embryonic ones. Yet.
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In short, yes.


There is really no way to win a debate when you are arguing for the side that you personally oppose. The last time I had to do this I just threw around a bunch of red herrings and ad hominems. It was actually fairly successful, perhaps you should look into doing that.


I was actually thinking of throwing out appeal to pathos and make sympathetic towards the destruction of human embryos.
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it cant scream, it has no mind or any feelings or any emotions or anything. It's like saying you feel sorry for your blood cells if you cut your finger chopping carrots. In fact, you cant hear that carrot scream either. How do you live with yourself?


If a human being had to die for me in the process that would be a great analogy. like i said. you feel differently about it and I'm happy to leave it at that. good day sir. may you prosper in all you do.
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If a human being had to die for me in the process that would be a great analogy. like i said. you feel differently about it and I'm happy to leave it at that. good day sir. may you prosper in all you do.


No my carrot analogy was better. You're killing cells that are alive when you eat carrots but like the embyro they dont feel or think or anything.

Carrot murderer.
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No my carrot analogy was better. You're killing cells that are alive when you eat carrots but like the embyro they dont feel or think or anything.

Carrot murderer.

Leave him alone, dude.

Not the time nor the place.

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#32
Human embryos were only really the first step in stem cell research. Scientists have recently discovered a fantastic way of ethically getting stem cells: liposuction waste. A huge bounty of fat cells is going to waste, and scientists are finally catching on that it can be used for lots, and lots, and lots, and lots of stem cells.
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Human embryos were only really the first step in stem cell research. Scientists have recently discovered a fantastic way of ethically getting stem cells: liposuction waste. A huge bounty of fat cells is going to waste, and scientists are finally catching on that it can be used for lots, and lots, and lots, and lots of stem cells.


hell yeah, killing two birds with one stone!
#37
Getting stem cells from embryos isn't an ethical problem. Abortion might be, but using those cells for science to help the living isn't. People are always going to get abortions, so why not use the resulting mess of cells for something that can benefit someone else?

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That's all I've got for cons that isn't ethics related, just did 2 assignments on it at school.


That first link is nothing different than what's happening inside you right now with your normal cells. You'd be surprised how many of your normal cells are becoming potentially oncogenic.
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not all stem cells are taken from embryos anymore therefore even the "moral and ethical" problems some people had with the research are all completely irrelevant now.
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Yeah, it's pretty much just an ethical thing. Should the stem cells be taken from embryos, you kill the embryo, which some will equate to abortion in the sense that they are ending potential life. Before shrugging that off, realize that ethics really do matter a lot. Stem Cell research hasn't been able to flourish in the US just because of that. Abortion is still a constant battle. Ethics and morals are a powerful force, and politicians know it.
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It's the commercialization of human life to some.

The murder of a potential person (Basically violation of human rights).

Lives may be prolonged and cause the population to become unsustainable (But we could always grow meat!)


But really, I support it, it'd create more jobs for people (Production and harvest of stem cells) it'd improve our economy so much and eliminate the need for human drug tests and SO much more.
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