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im looking for a new amp and i got my choices narrowed down to three and i just wanna hear some opinions. right now im looking at the mesa stiletto deuce and roadster series. ive also been looking into the engl savage its a little more expensive but im willing to spend a little more if its worth it. i play a wide range of stuff but basically i want some with enough gain to do whatever but also have a wide range of capabillities and nice cleans would be good
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Both are super high quality, so you can't really go wrong, do you know if this model of engl reconfigures the tubes when one blows? That is an awesome feature
#3
they sound pretty different. can you try them?
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have you considered the 5:50?

Id say it is one of the nicest boogies

I completely disagree.

For me at least, it's the worst amp Mesa has ever made
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#6
i felt that way about the 25W, but I really did like the 5:50.

What is it you disliked about it?
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i felt that way about the 25W, but I really did like the 5:50.

What is it you disliked about it?

Basically... everything.

For one, they advertise its lead channel as going into Recto territory, when in all honesty, it gets no where close. The cleans are ok and the mid-gain is decent; but they replaced the F series, which ate the Express series alive. The only thing the Express does better than the F series is mid/low gain, but that is not how Mesa advertises the amp at all. The tone from them is decent, but nothing you'd expect from an amp that costs as much as they do, if the price was ~$400 cheaper, then they'd probably be more adequately priced for what they are

The point is, for less than half the price of a new Express, you could buy a better sounding amp from another company that does what it does, but better.
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When you consider the Roadster, which is the solo head sound, compared to the Engl high gain sounds, you are talking about two totally different sounds.

Rectifier solo heads are loose and spongy on the bottom end and the high end isn't very smooth. But, they do seem pretty raw. Clean channel on a solo head sucks!

Engl's high gain sound is extremely tight and compressed with the Savage, Powerball, and Fireball. The gain is also a very clean distortion, not fizzy like a rectifier. They sound less raw and more processed to me, but I'd take my Powerball over my old dual rec on any day, much better sound from the engl. Cleans are normally great out of an engl too.

If you want a great rectifier, go buy a framus cobra. It's designed after the rectifier, but yields a tighter bottom and and smoother top end. Framus has a great clean channel too with tons of headroom.

The Diezel herbert is the best of both worlds. Has that super tight clean gain of an engl but more raw and yet very open sounding like a rectifier.
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Rectifier solo heads are loose and spongy on the bottom end and the high end isn't very smooth. But, they do seem pretty raw. Clean channel on a solo head sucks!

Have you actually ever tried a Roadster?
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Have you actually ever tried a Roadster?


+1

I haven't played it but apparently there are big differences between the Rectos and Road----'s.
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Have you actually ever tried a Roadster?

Nope, never played a roadster, but owned a dual rec for years. Isn't the 3rd and 4th channels on the roadster supposed to be the same as the rectifier solo heads?
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Nope, never played a roadster, but owned a dual rec for years. Isn't the 3rd and 4th channels on the roadster supposed to be the same as the rectifier solo heads?

Not quite. Similar, but the Roadsters are noticeably tighter, more defined, a bit darker and a lot smoother without all the fizz. Cleans are also much improved.
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When you consider the Roadster, which is the solo head sound, compared to the Engl high gain sounds, you are talking about two totally different sounds.

Rectifier solo heads are loose and spongy on the bottom end and the high end isn't very smooth. But, they do seem pretty raw. Clean channel on a solo head sucks!

Engl's high gain sound is extremely tight and compressed with the Savage, Powerball, and Fireball. The gain is also a very clean distortion, not fizzy like a rectifier. They sound less raw and more processed to me, but I'd take my Powerball over my old dual rec on any day, much better sound from the engl. Cleans are normally great out of an engl too.

If you want a great rectifier, go buy a framus cobra. It's designed after the rectifier, but yields a tighter bottom and and smoother top end. Framus has a great clean channel too with tons of headroom.

The Diezel herbert is the best of both worlds. Has that super tight clean gain of an engl but more raw and yet very open sounding like a rectifier.

I disagree a little. Powerball and Fireball are rather compressed, but the Savage is a good bit more open sounding.

Also, the Cobra wasn't designed after the Recto - it's somewhat similar though, but with a tighter bass if I recall correctly.
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I disagree a little. Powerball and Fireball are rather compressed, but the Savage is a good bit more open sounding.

Also, the Cobra wasn't designed after the Recto - it's somewhat similar though, but with a tighter bass if I recall correctly.

You are right, the savage is a little less compressed, as is the Invader.

You are wrong on the cobra. THe framus Dragon is built around the idea of a hotrodded rectifier, and the cobra is a hot rodded dragon.
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#16
i say mesa all the way. the roadster is extremely versitile, and cheaper then the engl. though if your going more expensive, its worth looking at the road king(roadsters big brother) it depends on what one you think sounds better. have you tried both of them? if you want to hear a the general difference in their sounds, listen to something of Dream Theater's Train Of Thought (petrucci used a road king, but its sounds isn't too different from the roadster) and Jeff Loomis's solo album not sure what engl he uses, but it gives a general idea of the difference in sound.
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#17
^ depends on where you are. in europe, mesas are far more expensive than engls, unless you're not comparing "like" models (i.e. comparing the top of the range engl to the bottom of the range mesa).
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You are right, the savage is a little less compressed, as is the Invader.

You are wrong on the cobra. THe framus Dragon is built around the idea of a hotrodded rectifier, and the cobra is a hot rodded dragon.

Yeah, that's what I meant - the Cobra is just a modified Dragon. They changed the values of some caps and resistors but that's about it, the schematics are nearly identical.
I have a hard time believing the Dragon was modelled after a Recto though, the two sound nothing alike to my ears.
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I have a hard time believing the Dragon was modelled after a Recto though, the two sound nothing alike to my ears.
They sound extremely similar to my ears, just with the cobra being smoother and tighter. I owned a dual rec for like 7 years.
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