#1
Are politics as black and white in other countries as they are in the United States? What I mean is, in the US, everybody is either a Democrat or Republican; there are very few Independents, if any. Is it like this elsewhere?
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Americans have it this way due to the constitution.

Um... no
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Australian politics is awesome, all they do is shout insults and call each other "nonces". So yea, I guess so.

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Are politics as black and white in other countries as they are in the United States? What I mean is, in the US, everybody is either a Democrat or Republican; there are very few Independents, if any. Is it like this elsewhere?


America is pretty alone in this. I've never fully understood it.
Perhaps it's easier to know where you stand, rather than be in Canada's situation and have a metric fuckton of political parties that all suck royally at various degrees.
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Americans have it this way due to the constitution.

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I read title as "Political Panties" and rushed in to find nothing of that sort
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In Australia only the Liberal or Labour party ever get voted in, although it's not quite as bad as what America seems to have, where you seem to have to allign yourself with one side, hate the other, and reduce all political debates to insults.
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#12
I really dislike how the bipartisan system makes sweeping categorizations of everyone, but having too many wouldn't be good either. I'd rather vote for an individual than a party.
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i think america is the only country with the bull**** either ALL of you views are LIBERAL or CONSERVATIVE. This just leads to division and wrong decisions. In the UK the two main parties are very similar some policies are different tho.
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I really dislike how the bipartisan system makes sweeping categorizations of everyone, but having too many wouldn't be good either. I'd rather vote for an individual than a party.


Right on. People seem to dislike the democratic candidate because they're republican, vice versa. Half the time, people vote because of their party, they have no clue about the candidate's proposals and plans for the nation.

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#16
i wish you could choose your politcal leaders like you do on the wii where you get to decide every single aspect of his being.
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Doesn't matter, political parties are pointless.





So i bet you think unions, companies, and other organizations are pointless too then, huh? Political parties are necessary in a democratic republic.
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#18
a whole lot of Americans are neither democrats or republicans, but since being independent will get you nowhere, they have to pick a side that they disagree with the least.
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I really dislike how the bipartisan system makes sweeping categorizations of everyone


This is the biggest problem with the system.
Any politic method that tries to shoehorn people into specific groups based on their tastes is pretty bad.
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So i bet you think unions, companies, and other organizations are pointless too then, huh? Political parties are necessary in a democratic republic.


Okay, I guess the ignorant partisan division is pointless. If people focused more on the issues rather than what party they're apart of, we could actually get shit done.

Although no matter what, bipartisan systems will be in effect, but it somewhat promotes ignorance and voting solely on what you're registered as, not what the future leader has to offer.
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We have a two party system because the way the electoral college is. I don't mean to say the constitution says we can only have two parties.
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well in canada there are a few more parties that occupy different parts of the political spectrum.

i am a centrist (by canadian standards) so i vote liberal.
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#23
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We have a two party system because the way the electoral college is. I don't mean to say the constitution says we can only have two parties.


The electoral college was adopted after we had a clear bipartisan system. The constitution had nothing to do with it.
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The electoral college was adopted after we had a clear bipartisan system. The constitution had nothing to do with it.

Meh, I just know it's this way because the electoral college system. I'm pretty sure we have had it since the first election and constitution (why George Washington wasn't voted against, only the electoral reps didn't vote against him, actual people did) But I'm too lazy to look for it now, I have to be up at 5 tomorrow
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We have a two party system because the way the electoral college is. I don't mean to say the constitution says we can only have two parties.

No, as has been said, the electoral college came later. The constitution was written with the intention that political parties would either not exist, have no impact, or fizzle out.
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i think america is the only country with the bull**** either ALL of you views are LIBERAL or CONSERVATIVE. This just leads to division and wrong decisions. In the UK the two main parties are very similar some policies are different tho.


Thats only true if you also feel that you HAVE to dress, act and talk the same as your friends, and listen to the same music, and like the same things. In other words, if you base all your views on what the party leaders tell you to believe, you are a complete tool. You don't HAVE to do any of that. I used to call myself an old school conservative. When I realized that no one knows the difference between that and the bat**** insane neocons you see on TV, and that that didn't fit anyway, so I called myself a very moderate libertarian. Then I realized that that didn't really fit me either, and calling myself a libertarian, no matter what adjective I stick on it, carries all kinds of baggage, like conspiracy theorist etc. I guess I'm a social libertarian/economic conservative, but I tend to identify more with liberals than what either label would imply. So now I choose not to identify myself with any party.

Now voting third party is an entirely different story. Most people don't even know the names of the other parties, much less anything about the candidates. No third part candidate has had any success since Wallace, and thats only because his extreme pro segregation stance attracted *ahem* a certain segment of the population.
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NO
Elsewhere they have like 6000 political parties per city.
Americans have it this way due to the constitution.




To the OP: I'm American and Libertarian .
#29
Americas poliical parties are black and white?
right... no. There are many politicians who can't get where they want in one party so they just switch to the other. There's conservative liberals and liberal conservatives and really liberal liberals and really conservative conservatives. Not many things are ever black and white.
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We have a two party system because the way the electoral college is. I don't mean to say the constitution says we can only have two parties.

I'm pretty sure that the early presidential elections were not just one candidate vs. another, there were usually 4-5 frontrunners in the final election, and the electoral college was still used. I know for a fact that when John Q. Adams was elected, there were 4 candidates that were all very close, and it was dropped to 3, and then decided on by Congress.
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#31
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Um... no


The United States has a winner take all system and that almost always leads to a two party system. Because a candidate needs more than 50% of the vote, it's very hard for anyone outside the two major parties to gain any steam and when that happens, the vote will be split causing a candidate on the extreme end of the opposite side to win.

Look at the election of 1992. There were three major front runners, Bill Clinton (D), George H.W. Bush (R) and Ross Perot (I). While Perot was a third party, he was more closely associated with the conservative side of the spectrum. This caused a split in the votes allowing Clinton to win pretty easily. In a winner take all system it benefits the left and the right to try and absorb the smaller parties so something like this doesn't happen.

In a proportional representation system, precincts are split up even further and allow more voices to be heard in the area. For example (I'll use US Parties, since I'm more familiar with them) if one precinct is 30% Democrat, 15% Republican, 15% Green Party, and 40% Neo-Nazi Party. That's how the seats will be set up for that area. If that area has 100 representatives, 30 will be democrats, 15 will be republicans, 15 will be of the Green Party and 40 will be Neo-Nazis. This allows more parties to flourish.

The winner take all system is in the constitution. So he's not wrong.
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Hate to bump for this, but you guys have lost your minds. The Electoral College was part of the original Constitution. They put it in there either A) to keep the ignorant masses from electing the President or B) to make sure the status quo of who's in charge didn't change.

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#33
The electoral college system serves no purpose. It is an outdated and flawed system and needs to be eliminated.
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In PR systems it's a bit different. Still tend to fall broadly into two categories though.
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Everyone ends up voting either Dem or Rep, but there are usually a large number of undecided voters in each election. We just don't have a major third party, which is a shame because the 2-party system kinda sucks. I don't like parties at all.
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To the OP: I'm American and Libertarian .


Yay! A fellow Libertarian. I'm a small-l libertarian though, if you know what I mean.
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Elsewhere they have like 6000 political parties per city.
Americans have it this way due to the constitution.


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#38
Ireland has a number of main parties. Parties with members currently elected to various offices include Fianna Fail, Fine Gael, Labour, The Green Party, The Progressive Democrats (now defunct), Sinn Fein, The Socialist Party, The People Before Profit Alliance, and Libertas. I've probably forgotten some. There are loads more parties with no elected members and there are a heap of independent candidates.
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So i bet you think unions, companies, and other organizations are pointless too then, huh? Political parties are necessary in a democratic republic.


How did you get from political parties are pointless to unions etc are pointless? IMO people should be allowed to vote on individual people and issues (If at all, but I'm not having that debate again)
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