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#1
Reading the Bible so you don't have to. An accurate retelling of the Book of Job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPg3kjKBRc

Discuss the lessons learned from the story, how funny it was, and other stuff related to the video, stuff they left out etc.


Don't let this descend into "god is real vs no he's not" that's not the point of the thread.
Also, the first person to say "the bible was written by people lolzzz" gets a "Thank you very much captain obvious" award (ie. I will come to their house and eat their first born son)


This is in the spirit of testing out the whole "religious debate outside R&P thread" idea.
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Reading the Bible so you don't have to. An accurate retelling of the Book of Job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPg3kjKBRc

Discuss the lessons learned from the story, how funny it was, and other stuff related to the video, stuff they left out etc.


Don't let this descend into "god is real vs no he's not" that's not the point of the thread.
Also, the first person to say "the bible was written by people lolzzz" gets a "Thank you very much captain obvious" award (ie. I will come to their house and eat their first born son)


This is in the spirit of testing out the whole "religious debate outside R&P thread" idea.


Why?

edit, Nevermind, I can't be arsed to debate where it belongs.
#3
I'm not really into this whole reading the bible through youtube doohicket but I'm having a look at it right now.
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#4
That was great
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#5
Get a Job.


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#7
That was pretty funny

What I don't like about the story itself is the way God not only allows Satan to torture Job to test his faith but the way God himself 'tests' Job, the lesson seems to be - No matter what happens keep your faith in God even though he won't actually help you and when he does he won't bring your dead kids back to life. I don't know about you but that doesn't seem to be a very positive message to me
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#9
Ok, I just watched that

God is such a dick. He should've given job back his family, not all his wealth and stuff. That's just very materialistic...
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#10
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Even though I know, I suppose I'll show
All my cool and cold, like old Job...
Despite all my rage,
I am still just a rat in a cage!
#11
Very well done, I thought it was humorous and easy to follow (though I pretty much knew the story already).
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i think people need to realize that the book of job is not what most of them think. It is a story, it was not intended to be a historical book. The Jews wrote it mainly to express the point that it is beyond human capability to understand God and His decisions, so you shouldn't get arrogant and think you could do a better job. He is not a human being and not bound by our limitations and we can't every fully experience him (as humans on earth).

These aren't necessarily my beliefs, but it is how the book is interpreted by the Jews, Catholics, and most protestant religions

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Ok, I just watched that

God is such a dick. He should've given job back his family, not all his wealth and stuff. That's just very materialistic...

i think in the story he's given back double of his family lost, but obviously that doesn't make up for dead children ... I guess back then they didn't care about life as much when they were writing the story . But the whole getting double thing is just symbolic that you will only gain if you let God's plan go through? idk
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#13
I hate being the guy that defends the Bible and is flamed by everyone, but that completely warped the tone of the story and made it into a sarcastic "this is meant to be taken word-for-word, instead of having a greater meaning" fairy tale. I wish both Christians and atheists would just stop being dicks to each other and just accept each other.
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The Bible I have is annotated, and it even says the story of Job is almost certainly fictionalized.

I hate being the guy that defends the Bible and is flamed by everyone, but that completely warped the tone of the story and made it into a sarcastic "this is meant to be taken word-for-word, instead of having a greater meaning" fairy tale. I wish both Christians and atheists would just stop being dicks to each other and just accept each other.
It isn't about accepting each other, which I think Atheists do much better than Christians, its about having fun proving others wrong.
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i think people need to realize that the book of job is not what most of them think. It is a story, it was not intended to be a historical book. The Jews wrote it mainly to express the point that it is beyond human capability to understand God and His decisions, so you shouldn't get arrogant and think you could do a better job. He is not a human being and not bound by our limitations and we can't every fully experience him (as humans on earth).

These aren't necessarily my beliefs, but it is how the book is interpreted by the Jews, Catholics, and most protestant religions


See, most people have a problem with the whole "you're only human so you're too stupid to understand" thing.

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I hate being the guy that defends the Bible and is flamed by everyone, but that completely warped the tone of the story and made it into a sarcastic "this is meant to be taken word-for-word, instead of having a greater meaning" fairy tale. I wish both Christians and atheists would just stop being dicks to each other and just accept each other.


How is it supposed to be taken then?

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The Bible I have is annotated, and it even says the story of Job is almost certainly fictionalized.


Well that's certainly convenient... who made the annotations? God?
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i think people need to realize that the book of job is not what most of them think. It is a story, it was not intended to be a historical book. The Jews wrote it mainly to express the point that it is beyond human capability to understand God and His decisions, so you shouldn't get arrogant and think you could do a better job. He is not a human being and not bound by our limitations and we can't every fully experience him (as humans on earth).s


See, that's what I don't like about the way God is portrayed in the bible, he just seems like an utterly condescending prick. Why did he feel the need to test Job if he already knew what the end result would be? Just seems like an ego trip on his part.

He just seems to do things because he can and then it's justified because 'No one can know the will of God', terrible moral, you should always question authority
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I hate being the guy that defends the Bible and is flamed by everyone, but that completely warped the tone of the story and made it into a sarcastic "this is meant to be taken word-for-word, instead of having a greater meaning" fairy tale. I wish both Christians and atheists would just stop being dicks to each other and just accept each other.


...The point was that the greater meaning was rubbish. The moral of the story is just as poor as the content of the story.
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#18
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How is it supposed to be taken then?

I'm not going to play UG's Biblemaster, because I most certainly am not. I just know that it's supposed to be an entirely different tone than that. It has more to do with what happens when a just man is stripped of all consequences, and if they become unjust. Plus, they took out the entire ending. I wish I had taken better notes on it in class (college Ethics class, not religion class, before all of you shout out that its biased or anything, because it's not at all), because I'd be able to answer your question a lot better.
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#19
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See, that's what I don't like about the way God is portrayed in the bible, he just seems like an utterly condescending prick. Why did he feel the need to test Job if he already knew what the end result would be? Just seems like an ego trip on his part

A much better story would have been
"Satan said that Job would not worship God is his life were made miserable. God said that he would and that settled the issue because Satan knew that God was omnipotent and omni-benevolent"
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See, that's what I don't like about the way God is portrayed in the bible, he just seems like an utterly condescending prick. Why did he feel the need to test Job if he already knew what the end result would be? Just seems like an ego trip on his part

That's the story part. They blamed everything back then as an act from God. If it were a true story and we were there, most of us would not be so blinded by religion to think that all his troubles were God testing him. They may have just been natural disasters or bad luck. People back then, like some people now, simply blamed everything bad that happened as a test from God
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A much better story would have been
"Satan said that Job would not worship God is his life were made miserable. God said that he would and that settled the issue because Satan knew that God was omnipotent and omni-benevolent"




That's the story part. They blamed everything back then as an act from God. If it were a true story and we were there, most of us would not be so blinded by religion to think that all his troubles were God testing him. They may have just been natural disasters or bad luck. People back then, like some people now, simply blamed everything bad that happened as a test from God


OK
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See, most people have a problem with the whole "you're only human so you're too stupid to understand" thing.

It's not that you are "to stupid" it's just that God is above us and as the Bible puts it "his ways are not our ways"
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See, that's what I don't like about the way God is portrayed in the bible, he just seems like an utterly condescending prick. Why did he feel the need to test Job if he already knew what the end result would be? Just seems like an ego trip on his part.

It's often so he can show us something not to prove anything to himself
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It's often so he can show us something not to prove anything to himself


And what exactly was he trying to show Job?
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It's not that you are "to stupid" it's just that God is above us and as the Bible puts it "his ways are not our ways"

It's often so he can show us something not to prove anything to himself

I like this guy.

And what exactly was he trying to show Job?
That no matter how bad you have it, don't blame God for your problems?
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I'm not going to play UG's Biblemaster, because I most certainly am not. I just know that it's supposed to be an entirely different tone than that. It has more to do with what happens when a just man is stripped of all consequences, and if they become unjust. Plus, they took out the entire ending. I wish I had taken better notes on it in class (college Ethics class, not religion class, before all of you shout out that its biased or anything, because it's not at all), because I'd be able to answer your question a lot better.


What was the ending like, atleast?

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It's not that you are "to stupid" it's just that God is above us and as the Bible puts it "his ways are not our ways"


That's what I call a cop-out, though. Yeah **** happens? Want an explanation from god? Sorry, you're too stupid to understand it.

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That no matter how bad you have it, don't blame God for your problems?

Even though god is essentially 100% to blame because he made the bet with satan?
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What makes you think I was talking about Job?


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Why did he feel the need to test Job if he already knew what the end result would be? Just seems like an ego trip on his part.
It's often so he can show us something not to prove anything to himself
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That no matter how bad you have it, don't blame God for your problems?


But in the story God was the one causing all of Job's problems (Initially by allowing Satan to cause his problems and eventually by creating problems for Job directly)
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#29
Even though god is essentially 100% to blame because he made the bet with satan?
How about don't get mad at God for your problems, because he has infinite more wisdom than you?

I'm not saying I agree with the message, or that God isn't some sadistic bastard, but you guys are making this a lot worse than it needs to be.
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How about don't get mad at God for your problems, because he has infinite more wisdom than you?


That's abhorrent, just because someone is more intelligent than you doesn't give them the right to boss you around, plus God was the one causing him problems in the first place.

I'm not saying I agree with the message, or that God isn't some sadistic bastard, but you guys are making this a lot worse than it needs to be.


We really aren't.
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How about don't get mad at God for your problems, because he has infinite more wisdom than you?

I just punched my little brother in the head and told him not to get mad at me because I have infinitely more wisdom than he does.


Strange... he still got mad at me.
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How about don't get mad at God for your problems, because he has infinite more wisdom than you?

I'm not saying I agree with the message, or that God isn't some sadistic bastard, but you guys are making this a lot worse than it needs to be.


Or so he claims. If we never question, how would we even know? Think about it.

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but you guys are making this a lot worse than it needs to be.


I think god knowingly having job's family murdered for the lulz is kind of a... bad thing.
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This is in the spirit of testing out the whole "religious debate outside R&P thread" idea.


it's only been 33 posts and it's already happened

so much for that eh Paddy?
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What was the ending like, atleast?

After watching again, it left more in than I thought (sorry, it's really loud outside my window). I originally thought that they left out the entire part about him getting everything back. But they still didn't say a lot about it. Since I'm feeling lazy, here's also what happened:
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In the epilogue, God condemns Job's friends for their ignorance and lack of understanding while commending Job for his righteous words, commands them to prepare burnt offerings and reassures them that Job will pray for their forgiveness. Job is restored to health, gaining double the riches he possessed before and having 7 sons and 3 daughters (his wife did not die in this ordeal). His new daughters were the most beautiful in the land, and were given inheritance along with their brothers. Job is blessed once again and lives on another 140 years after the ordeal, living to see his children to the fourth generation and dying peacefully of old age.

Which kinda also shows how this isn't supposed to be taken literally.
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I just punched my little brother in the head and told him not to get mad at me because I have infinitely more wisdom than he does.


Strange... he still got mad at me.

I don't think you do. :P

That's abhorrent, just because someone is more intelligent than you doesn't give them the right to boss you around, plus God was the one causing him problems in the first place.
Yeah I know, but God was "doing it for the greater good", and human understanding can't always understand that.

We really aren't.
Yeah you are. Its a story written by people to help explain their own god. Why would they be making him look evil?
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I don't think you do. :P

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Yeah I know, but God was "doing it for the greater good", and human understanding can't always understand that.


'For the greater good' what greater good? What purpose did any of that serve except to prove something that God already knew?

Yeah you are. Its a story written by people to help explain their own god. Why would they be making him look evil?


Looks pretty damn evil from where I'm standing

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God may or may not have tried to show Job somthing but the point is that in all of our trials God has a purpose behind them.


Except that there was no purpose behind what happened in that story. How on earth do you manage to get from 'God allows Satan to torture Job to test his faith' to 'There is a purpose behind all of God's trials'?
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God may or may not have tried to show Job somthing but the point is that in all of our trials God has a purpose behind them.

What was the point for Job's kids?
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