#1
Yesterday I watched the film "Johnie Got His Gun" (1971) (IMDb) and I must say that it is a really good film and it really affected me. Most of you will probably know it from Metallica's "One" which was inspired by the book on which the film was made and the videoclip included several scenes and quotes from this film.

In short it's about a young American who gets hit by a mortar shell and as a result had all his limbs amputated and lost his face. He is deemed incapable of thought and feeling (which isn't true) due to massive brain damage and as such allowed to live as a subject for medical research. The film then interchanges between his "life" at the hospital, his memories from the past and his dreams. In the end he finds a way to communicate with others and asks to be killed, but is refused this wish (his nurse tries to kill him in secret, but is stopped).

It clearly is an anti-war film (which is mentioned in every review, comment of this film). However, I think that there is also an anti-life theme in this film (which isn't mentioned anywhere). I should explain that by anti-life I mean life in such a vegetable state where one is incapable of anything apart from thought (like in the film) or in any similar state in which one can't do anything (talk,move, eat, etc.) without help. Against life just for the sake of living. I think the film shows it well that such life is simply painful and that the soldier is actually as close to being dead as it is possible. You could say that this is biologically justified since we are meant to survive as a species and procreate. However, people in such states are quite unlikely to procreate and would be dumped by natural selection. Nowadays, we keep people at life just, because they are biologically alive. We'd keep somebody alive even if he was unable to literally do anything (talk, move, eat, breathe).

I myself wouldn't want to live like this unless I had something to live for, to do with my life (even if it was just playing cards all day long, that's something I could do). I think that our society is so pro-life that we don't worry about what we could with this life, if there is a reason for artificially extending our lives. We invest into research for longer lives even now when we face the problems of an aging society.

Does anybody agree with me? Do we overestimate the value of life? I think this is worth discussing as I think it is an actual topic.

TL;DR: no
#5
What you're describing isn't life. What you're describing is the state of not being dead. Being alive is more than having a pulse. Being not dead is confined to having a pulse.
#7
Everyone takes life for granted, its impossible for anyone to see the whole picture really.
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#8
Death is overrated.
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#9
The Movie`s Overhyped too.



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#10
disagree. Only point to life in its most simple form is to survive and reproduce. not require card games to occupy the time. And since the nurse blew him in that movie, he is able to reproduce still, so he probably went to hell when he morse coded the generals to kill him...
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Nice dawnwalker
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#12
TS I think you reading into way to much, now go and enjoy your life whilst you still have the chance.
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Thank God, looking at the thread title I thought I would have to post this.



But I do kind of agree with you, I've always thought life is pointless if you do nothing with it and don't enjoy it.
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#16
That's actually a good point. Something to discuss other than breasts in the pit, don't get me wrong, breasts are sweet though.

Well, this delves into euthanism and if it's justified in these situations...Personally, I can't speak for the person. If they want to die in such a state, we should let them. If they have no way of telling you, since we don't speak in morse code anymore, then I really don't know what to do.

It's usually up to the families to decide.

I personally am a little angered by the fact that we live only to die. It gives me expectations and hopes to become older, so that I can live to be 80 years old with the help of medicine...but, how enjoyable is life without your family or friends?

Surely most of them are passing away at that age, you can make new ones...sure. But, in the end, you're alone as you were to begin with. It's a sad circle of life in my opinion.
#17
No, I think western civilization is the complete opposite.

We waste solider's lives in suicidal missions, ignore please for support and extra supplies.

We have people being stabbed and shot on streets for things like sweets or mobile phones.

Hospitals refuse treatment if you dont have insurance (the US) and 'pull the plug' if it costs to much money even if the family can see the patient is getting better.

Doctors follow targets and protocals even if it means a baby, that could easily be saved, would die.

No, I think on the whole we don't place ENOUGH value on life. Your average guy on the street would say life is the most important thing, but the actions of our species as a whole recently doesnt reflect that.
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Um... okay.
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Everyone takes life for granted, its impossible for anyone to see the whole picture really.


+1

but probably too deep for most of the people in the piut
#20
The cover story of the 9/21 issue of Newsweek Magazine is "The Case For Killing Granny: Curbing Excessive End-Of-Life Care Is Good For America". Well written article, mostly about how much it costs for the rest of us ("Almost a third of the money spent by Medicare goes to patients in the last two years of life"), but how its unspeakable to "ration" care because of moral issues.
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I'm working on the book.
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but probably too deep for most of the people in the piut

LOL Nice try but the grammar kind of ruined your point, or did it?
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disagree. Only point to life in its most simple form is to survive and reproduce. not require card games to occupy the time. And since the nurse blew him in that movie, he is able to reproduce still, so he probably went to hell when he morse coded the generals to kill him...


While biologically that is true that in life's most simple form we are simply to survive as a species, shouldn't we look for a reason to live our lives since we fulfill our biological destiny by making at least one child (continuation of our species. Our own survival is no longer really necessary). And what about people who can't procreate anymore? From this simple biological perspective it makes no difference if they're dead or alive, since they can't help in reproduction anymore.

Also I think that, since we are able to ask ourselves whether we need a reason to live other than just survival, we should have that reason to live otherwise we're reduced to animals.
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While biologically that is true that in life's most simple form we are simply to survive as a species, shouldn't we look for a reason to live our lives since we fulfill our biological destiny by making at least one child (continuation of our species. Our own survival is no longer really necessary). And what about people who can't procreate anymore? From this simple biological perspective it makes no difference if they're dead or alive, since they can't help in reproduction anymore.

Also I think that, since we are able to ask ourselves whether we need a reason to live other than just survival, we should have that reason to live otherwise we're reduced to animals.


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#30
I wouldn't say it is overhyped. The beauty and value of life is something you recognize sooner or later. Look at Jason Becker, or Stephen Hawking. They are seriously restricted in their possibilities of the physical but that didn't stop them from being two very influential and inspirational people.
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TS should watch "EL Mar Adentro." It's about Ramon Sampedro.
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#32
I read the OP.
I have thought deeply about the subject.
I know that many people have thought deeply over the subject.
I know people argue and bicker to this day over the subject.
I know that religion is called into the debate regularly.
And yet, I am compelled to say, "Who gives a shit in a toaster?".

Nice blog, by the way.
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