#1
The b 52's i want to get the half stack here is thelink to the amp.Im mostly going to be playing metalcore and hardcore music that needs heavy distortion so what do you guys think?
is it good for what i want it for?
what or amps do you guys recommend?
thanks for any input in advance.
Last edited by usedcondom at Sep 20, 2009,
#3
Quote by blue_strat
Don't get a solid state half stack.

Do you gig?

No i dont gig but would like to have a half stack just in case. ;D
why not Solid state?
and what do you recommend?
#4
I believe B-52's are good amps but as Blue Strat says don't get a solid state half stack as the tonal quality will be poor.
#8
Quote by Guitar Center
Whether you are playing to a stadium crowd of 50,000 or practicing at home in your garage, the LS-100 will produce awesome crunch, smooth mids and crystal-clean highs.



What do you want more?

Seriously tough, it's not because you gig that you NEED a half-stack. A half do sound bigger and push more air and therefore are louder. But you should never buy a half stack if you can't afford a good one.
#9
The B-52 AT-112 is a 60 watt valve combo that is more than adequate for a majority of genres, including Death Metal and Hardcore.

$600 is a tidy amount of money for a decent valve/tube amp: The Peavey Vypyr Tube 60, Line 6 Flextone III (solid state, though, but still worth it), Bugera 6262, 333XL, Line6 Spider Valve 1x12 combo, Peavey 6505+ 112 60 watt (when it comes out) I haven't played it, yet, so I can't comment properly, but I'm hoping it's going to kick ass.
You could also look at the used market. I could scour ebay for you if you like?
Last edited by AngryGoldfish at Sep 20, 2009,
#10
Quote by AngryGoldfish
The B-52 AT-112 is a 60 watt valve combo that is more than adequate for a majority of genres, including Death Metal and Hardcore.

$600 is a tidy amount of money for a decent valve/tube amp: The Peavey Vypyr Tube 60, Line 6 Flextone III (solid state, though, but still worth it), Bugera 6262, 333XL, Line6 Spider Valve 1x12 combo, Peavey 6505+ 112 60 watt (when it comes out) I haven't played it, yet, so I can't comment properly, but I'm hoping it's going to kick ass.
You could also look at the used market. I could scour ebay for you if you like?

could you really? id apreciate that. :3
#14
Quote by AngryGoldfish
Do you live in America?


Probably, since he put a guitar center link

edit: you beat me to it
#15
Ive heard that the b-52 is a poor man's ,mesa boogie and that its a great amp then i hear from some people here that its a terrible amp!really confused now... xD
if i got the tube version (60 watt) would it be as loud as a 75w solid state amp?
ive never owned a tube amp so i dont know what to expect.
any one wanna fill me in a bit on tube amps? pros and cons.
#16
Quote by usedcondom
Ive heard that the b-52 is a poor man's ,mesa boogie and that its a great amp then i hear from some people here that its a terrible amp!really confused now... xD
if i got the tube version (60 watt) would it be as loud as a 75w solid state amp?
ive never owned a tube amp so i dont know what to expect.
any one wanna fill me in a bit on tube amps? pros and cons.



It would be a lot louder, and way more than enough for small gigs.
Tube amps

Pros
Louder, cuts through the mix better, sounds fuller, is more responsive.

Cons
F*ing heavy, needs maintenance, doesn't sound too great at low volumes (depending on the amp)
#17
Quote by usedcondom
Ive heard that the b-52 is a poor man's ,mesa boogie and that its a great amp then i hear from some people here that its a terrible amp!really confused now... xD
if i got the tube version (60 watt) would it be as loud as a 75w solid state amp?
ive never owned a tube amp so i dont know what to expect.
any one wanna fill me in a bit on tube amps? pros and cons.


Pros of tube
Tube amps have far superior tonal qualities (usually), which are better than solid state amps. You'll have to play one to understand what I mean about the quality of tone.

Cons of tube
High maintence. You need to replace the tubes within the amp every couple of years and do some little tweaks. Some people work on their amps monthly to make sure it's performing to it's best.
#18
Quote by Sguit
It would be a lot louder, and way more than enough for small gigs.
Tube amps

Pros
Louder, cuts through the mix better, sounds fuller, is more responsive.

Cons
F*ing heavy, needs maintenance, doesn't sound too great at low volumes (depending on the amp)

Really i always kinda over looked them because when i was looking at 75w amps i noticed that tube amps at around the same price and stuff were always 60w or something with less watts than the solid state amps.
maybe ill now cosider a tube amp...
i dont mind if its heavy **** it ill grow some balls, and the volume thing kinda sucks but whatever but maintenace? what exactly are we looking at here?
like replacing tubes?
how much are they?how often do you change them?
anything else?
#19
Bugera 6262
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bugera-6260-212-120W-Tube-Valve-Combo-Guitar-Amplifier_W0QQitemZ250498024248QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a52d88338&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Line 6 Spider Valve
http://cgi.ebay.com/Line-6-Spider-Valve-212-590-00_W0QQitemZ260479126035QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar_Accessories?hash=item3ca5c40a13&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Line 6 Flextone III
http://cgi.ebay.com/Line-6-Flextone-III-Plus-1x12_W0QQitemZ230379095048QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a3aa0408&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14p

Bugera 333XL
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bugera-333XL-all-tube-2x12-combo-6L6C-upgrade-tubes_W0QQitemZ110432045625QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b6434a39&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Krank Jr
http://cgi.ebay.com/KRANK-REV-JR-20-WATT_W0QQitemZ250492354920QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a52820168&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Peavey 5150
http://cgi.ebay.com/EXCELLENT-PEAVEY-5150-COMBO-EDDIE-VAN-HALEN-SIG-6505_W0QQitemZ270456231057QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef8729491&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Peavey Vypyr 120
http://cgi.ebay.com/Peavey-vypyr-tube-120-tube-amplifier-2-weeks-old_W0QQitemZ190335539872QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2c50e1daa0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Peavey Vypyr 60
http://cgi.ebay.com/Peavey-Vypyr-Tube-60-Guitar-Combo-Amplifier-60-Watts_W0QQitemZ140346251774QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item20ad49d9fe&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Bugera 6262
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bugera-6262-120W-Tube-Valve-Combo-Guitar-Amplifier_W0QQitemZ180406673522QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2a01136072&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Marshall DSL
http://cgi.ebay.com/Marshall-JCM-2000-DSL-401_W0QQitemZ290350752331QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439a40e24b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

B-52 AT
http://cgi.ebay.com/B-52-AT-100-100W-Tube-Guitar-Amp_W0QQitemZ230379269688QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a3acae38&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Tech 21 make some great amps.

Ampeg VH140C - I haven't played it but I heard it's awesome for high-gain tones.

That's essentially all I could think of.


My advice would be a Bugera 6262 --they have faced problems before with reliability so be careful where and with whom you buy. Make sure you there is a guarantee with it and warranty for any break downs that may occur-- The tones are very much like the Peavey 6505 series, which it is mimicked from. But it has more suitable cleans (to some, anyway) and a slightly more refined and less rugged distortion.

The B-52 is a great amp. Nothing to complain about. Not quite as alive sounding, but it is cheap.

If you can find a Peavey 5150 for $600 - get it.

Or, you can wait for the Peavey 6505+ 60 watt, which comes out in the next few months.

And finally, the Line 6 Spider Valve is definitely worth looking into.

Any of those five amps should be fine, imho.
#20
Quote by usedcondom
Really i always kinda over looked them because when i was looking at 75w amps i noticed that tube amps at around the same price and stuff were always 60w or something with less watts than the solid state amps.
maybe ill now cosider a tube amp...
i dont mind if its heavy **** it ill grow some balls, and the volume thing kinda sucks but whatever but maintenace? what exactly are we looking at here?
like replacing tubes?
how much are they?how often do you change them?
anything else?


A common misconception amongst beginner that you have to stay from is more wattage = Better amp, it's normal to think like that when start, but it's not true.
That said, maintenance on tube amp is not that bad, power tubes should be changed once per one or two years, depending on how much and how loud you use it. Preamp tubes last longer though, like 5-10 years.
A pair of power tubes cost 50-100$
and preamp tubes cost like 15-20$ each
Of course it can go higher than that if you start looking NOS tubes.