#1
Hey all.

I was just looking at an EMG After Burner, and I was wondering .. as it replaces the Tone Knob, what will happen to the tone?

I mean, if you remove the tone knob, will the tone just be as if the tone was "at max"?

Because I never use the tone knob to muddy up my tone. ever. So i figure that i might as well just get a Gain Boost knob instead.

Amirite?
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Me too, that's why i ask.

I like your band too. Some of it has a Doom Metal feel to it (End of the Lullaby at least).
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#4
Sorry, I don't have an answer for you, but you've just given me an idea of what I can do with both my guitars, as I don't use the tone knob either, so I'm gonna hover around for a while...
#6
it'll actually most likely be slightly brighter than the tone at max. it'll be like the tone at 11. I think it's because having a pot there at all loads the signal down a little, and makes things a little warmer.

irony being that on most of my guitars with a tone knob, i keep the tone knob at 10 (unless i'm after a very specific, usually more vintage, tone)- yet on my one guitar with no tone knob, i always wish i had a tone knob to tame things slightly.

EDIT: what i'm trying to say is, just because you always keep your tone knob at 10 when you do have a tone knob doesn't mean it might not be slightly too bright without one. Some players love having no tone knob, though, just depends on preference.
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#7
^This, although I'm not sure if it will affect active pups the same as passive ones. Worst comes to worst you might have to tweak your amp settings a bit to make up for whatever difference you get.
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#8
yeah, that's true, i wasn't sure about the active thing, either, i think they do react differently, impedance and all that malarkey. I assumed he was adding the afterburner to passive pickups, but if he's not, then all bets are off. bear in mind that activating the afterburner might make things slightly brighter again, because most of those boosters contain a buffer (i think they do, anyway), which corrects the impedance for long cable runs etc.
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yeah, that's true, i wasn't sure about the active thing, either, i think they do react differently, impedance and all that malarkey. I assumed he was adding the afterburner to passive pickups, but if he's not, then all bets are off.



O that's true, I just read EMG and immediately assumed active pups.
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#11
well, I have the EMG 81/85 combo on my main axe, but I was kinda just talking in general terms.

A brighter tone is fine, i usually play with both Presence and Treble on 9-10 in order to get a fairly bright and clear tone suitable for metal (a bit easier since i got my ibanez with EMG's).

So, summing up, removing the tone knob will simply be the same as if i had my tone set to 10, maybe a slight bit brighter. Amirite?
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#12
^Correct.
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awesome!

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#14
Why all the tone-knob hate? They help when amps are just a tad too treblely and brittle, and when all the way down it can make some really good, smooth-sounding leads.
#15
It will sound like your guitar does with the tone set at 10 but slightly brighter.
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Why all the tone-knob hate? They help when amps are just a tad too treblely and brittle, and when all the way down it can make some really good, smooth-sounding leads.


well, I honestly never use it, and seeing it as an EMG Afterburner would be of more use to me, I can't see why I shouldn't install a sexeh gain boost instead!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw1LIFIrAd0

just listen! the difference is enormous!

i simply started because i was curious what happens to the tone when the tone knob is gone.
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#17
^ what about just getting a clean boost pedal? that'd be another option.

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So, summing up, removing the tone knob will simply be the same as if i had my tone set to 10, maybe a slight bit brighter. Amirite?


yeah, it'll be a bit brighter.
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it'll actually most likely be slightly brighter than the tone at max. it'll be like the tone at 11. I think it's because having a pot there at all loads the signal down a little, and makes things a little warmer.
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+1

I actually did a pickup swap recently, and I messed a little with the electronics. It actually sounds more like the tone will be at 12. Removing the tone knob made the tone significantly brighter than I thought it would.

In some cases, depending on the tone wood used (esp Maple guitars and some Alder guitars), it makes it far too harsh.

Like the others have said too, if its active pickups, the buffer might boost the signal even more.
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#19
I always disconnect mine 2.it gives u alittle more output 2.I mean nothing major but it does.nothing gayer than turning ur tone knobs on accident while using the tremolo or making fast switches with the pickup selector
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Me too, that's why i ask.

I like your band too. Some of it has a Doom Metal feel to it (End of the Lullaby at least).

haha thanks, even though i don't get how it can sound like doom metal, it's like teh calmest song ever XD

as for knobs, i'd be satisfied with a no-knob-guitar. actually, i really would be... i always keep my volume and tone at 10 because i don't like the muddiness i get by decreasing them... as for volume, i can set it with my pedals lol..
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haha thanks, even though i don't get how it can sound like doom metal, it's like teh calmest song ever XD

as for knobs, i'd be satisfied with a no-knob-guitar. actually, i really would be... i always keep my volume and tone at 10 because i don't like the muddiness i get by decreasing them... as for volume, i can set it with my pedals lol..


If the final output becomes too sharp or trebly, one alternative you can consider is to take a very low value capacitor like within the range of 0.005μf - 0.001μf and then to ground that from the input lug on your volume pot. That may tame the overly bright signal.

This mod may make it sound like you still have tone pot set to max still in the signal path. You may want to experiment with the various capacitor values to find the sweet mix of higher trebles you like.
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+1

I actually did a pickup swap recently, and I messed a little with the electronics. It actually sounds more like the tone will be at 12. Removing the tone knob made the tone significantly brighter than I thought it would.

In some cases, depending on the tone wood used (esp Maple guitars and some Alder guitars), it makes it far too harsh.

Like the others have said too, if its active pickups, the buffer might boost the signal even more.


yeah, i didn't mean "11" as any kind of set in stone number, just as an illustration.
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