Poll: shooting nuclear waste into the sun is
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View poll results: shooting nuclear waste into the sun is
in the end just as expensive, but more effective than burying it
131 78%
burying nuclear waste is the better idea.
38 22%
Voters: 169.
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#1
So I heard a story today about a german salt mine in the east that collapsed, due to a rise in subterranian water.

sound like a problem?

no, if you consider that there are tons of plutonium and other radioactive wastes in said mine, which means that eventually, depending on how fast the water rises, the radioactivly contaminated water will seep into germany's rivers.

so this got me to thinking, instead of transporting radioactive wastes to desolate mines and burying them (what you can't see can't hurt you), why not shoot the radioactive waste into space?

sure it would be expensive, but think about it:
the amount of money spent on transporting it, burying it, and the costs that are now going to be caused due to the consequences of contamination of water and soil, possible health consequences, reparations to families damaged by contaminated water etc. etc., wouldn't it eventually amount to the same, but without risking human lives? if we can land a rover on Mars, I'm sure we can direct a transport of nuclear waste into the sun.



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#2
I'm pretty sure there's a flaw somewhere...
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I'm pretty sure there's a flaw somewhere...

the only flaw I can think of is that no one wants to pay for it.
#4
Nah, it'd make the Sun go all red and funny.

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#6
Not a bad idea.. I cant belive the way Nuclear waste has been disposed of over the years.. so short sighted!
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Radioactive waste hits meteor into track of collision with earth me = laugh.
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#8
Someone's going to make a Futurama reference...

But yeah, the Superman approach? I guess it would work. And hey, who gives a crap about space? It's not like it's going to cause Spatial Warming.

Or will it?
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the only flaw I can think of is that no one wants to pay for it.



That's what I thought. Not very cost-effective TBH, but then, it may be beneficial.
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#10
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#11
Not into the sun... maybe into the asteroid belt or something..
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#13
dude, the amounts of radioactive material, and the sheer cost of getting it into space.

I heard something like that it costs 10 million dollars for every kg we launch. This of the mindblowing costs of getting a few thousand kgs into space.
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Someone's going to make a Futurama reference...

But yeah, the Superman approach? I guess it would work. And hey, who gives a crap about space? It's not like it's going to cause Spatial Warming.

Or will it?

beat you to it in the first post

and nothing will happen to the sun, the sun's basically a huge nuclear fission plant. a couple tons of radioactive material will do squat.
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I wouldnt want to be the one that has to calculate all the trajectories and such like for that.
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#16
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wouldn't it eventually amount to the same, but without risking human lives?

jesus christ, no.

do you know how far away the sun is? and the capacity of an average rocket? not to mention the cost of the rockets, which would be destroyed in the process. it would take dozens of trips to empty out one of those underground dumps.
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dude, the amounts of radioactive material, and the sheer cost of getting it into space.

I heard something like that it costs 10 million dollars for every kg we launch. This of the mindblowing costs of getting a few thousand kgs into space.

NASA wasted billions of dollars because they FORGOT TO PUT A LENSE ON THE HUBBLE TELESCOPE.
I think shooting nuclear waste into the sun is a better project for them.

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jesus christ, no.

do you know how far away the sun is? and the capacity of an average rocket? not to mention the cost of the rockets, which would be destroyed in the process. it would take dozens of trips to empty out one of those underground dumps.

you would only need to direct it towards the sun, in a way that would allow gravity to take it's course. it's how satellites work as well, they only need rockets to get away from earth, and gravitational slings do the rest.
and what is the capacity of an average rocket? I'm not a rocket scientist.


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#18
Then what about the Space animals?
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#19
It's not cost-ineffective, you've just got to get a space agency to take it up with them. It's free forty you!

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#20
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NASA wasted billions of dollars because they FORGOT TO PUT A LENSE ON THE HUBBLE TELESCOPE.
I think shooting nuclear waste into the sun is a better project for them.


what? really? That's just embarassing. I hope a few people got fired for that. Talk about dividing by zero.
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#21
all i can think of is

1)rocket goes boom over the earth spreading all the **** over us

2)some sort or reaction with the sun making it go tits up (doubt it will happen)

3)not cost efective we can just dump it in the sea at points thats deeper than everest or just send it to selofeild in england for it to be stored and used up

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#22
Shoot radioactive material into space.. and have the radioactive material latch on to an asteroid or something and cause the bacteria to mutate and giant GIANT SPACE MONSTERS?!!?!?!


**** that ****
#23
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you would only need to direct it towards the sun, in a way that would allow gravity to take it's course. it's how satellites work as well, they only need rockets to get away from earth, and gravitational slings do the rest.
and what is the capacity of an average rocket? I'm not a rocket scientist.

you still have to make disposable rockets, which would not be cheap. and even if you dont have to pilot them, the cost of breaking free of earths gravity alone is huge. after that, you can calculate the trajectory, but it still takes a fair amount of fuel.

i dont know what the capacity would be, but there must be millions of tons of nuclear waste in the world. it would take a huge number of multi-billion dollar trips.
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#24
If the rocket explodes before leaving Earth, it would contaminate a huge area of the Earth...

So its a bad idea....
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#25
what happens when the s***y nasa rocket blows up shortly after launch and spreads nuclear waste over the earth's atmosphere?
#26
What's with the lack of corey threads in the pit lately?
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#27
Sure.... it would only cost a couple of trillion+ dollars. Do you have any clue how much it cost to get into space? The astronauts will also be exposed to the radioactivity, too, or they manage to find a material that effectively blocks radiation, like led, but doesn't weigh a ton.

Seriously, the best way for us to dispose of spent nuclear material is wrapping it up and burying it.

I also doubt that the nuclear waste in the salt mine will effect Germany too much.
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Sure.... it would only cost a couple of trillion+ dollars. Do you have any clue how much it cost to get into space? The astronauts will also be exposed to the radioactivity, too, or they manage to find a material that effectively blocks radiation, like led, but doesn't weigh a ton.

Seriously, the best way for us to dispose of spent nuclear material is wrapping it up and burying it.

I also doubt that the nuclear waste in the salt mine will effect Germany too much.

astronauts would not have to go on said mission, it would be like launching a satellite.
and no, that's a stupid idea.
and the salt mine is slowly filling up with water, which is contaminated, and if the water level continues to rise (it is), it will spill into a major river.
but that's not gonna affect us.
#29
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It won't be very fun when the frikkin rocket explodes over your house with the radioactive waste showering onto and killing you and everything you love

OR turns you into super humans
#30
Hmm, how long until this mine fills up with water?

I saw a show on TV yesterday about some break throughs in toxic recycling. Not a perfect plan yet, but very interesting stuff.
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It won't be very fun when the frikkin rocket explodes over your house with the radioactive waste showering onto and killing you and everything you love

just fire up the rocket in a desolate place on earth, so even if it explodes it'll be the same as burying it underground
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what? really? That's just embarassing. I hope a few people got fired for that. Talk about dividing by zero.


... what?

You should get fired for that.
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#35
We could just stop making nukes and then not have to worry about radioactive waste at all...
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#36
wow, i just noticed how ridiculously biased the poll is.

theres no way it would be just as expensive in the end. framing the issue like that is totally skewing the results.
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hey, I started uni yesterday

becoming an engineer takes time.

You started uni? I feel like this is thread-worth corey
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This could contribute to cost, because everything would have to be driven out and built in a desolate place. The other big problem is that the sky tends to move >.> Radiation deposits might be swept somewhere where it can cause damage. Atleast when it's burried it's contents can be monitored and concentrated.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, but these are some of the big arguments I've seen against the space-trash idea, particularly the dangers of the rocket spilling it's deadly cargo.

no problem, it's not like I'm trying to promote this idea, I'm really just trying to look for reasons it won't work

but yeah, didn't think of that.

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wow, i just noticed how ridiculously biased the poll is.

theres no way it would be just as expensive in the end. framing the issue like that is totally skewing the results.

think about it:

every bit of nuclear waste poses a problem for 250.000 years.

think of all the money you'll have to spend in 250.000 years to keep it under control.
250.000 years.
or, spend a billion dollars now to shoot all of it into the sun and get rid of it.

EDIT: oh, and sorry about biased poll, it wasn't meant to be that way : / just a poor choice of wording
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#40
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I'm pretty sure there's a flaw somewhere...

Which is if they blew up in lift-off, nuclear debris would be scattered around for dozens of miles.

Good idea.
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