#1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7iuGUN4RpA

I've been figuring this song out for a little while and it dawned on me that I'm not quite sure what scales/modes to use to improvise over this. I'm pretty new to modes and the concept is still weird so I was wondering what is the best way to know what scale or mode to use over a rhythm line (and this song particularly). Obviously I can just use pentatonic (boring) or Ionian (well, it sounds like it fits to me) but I'm not sure how to correctly use a different mode.
#2
try F minor/Aeolian. (and in some changes, F harmonic minor will work)
Last edited by ibanez87 at Sep 24, 2009,
#3
any scale is as boring as you make it. I know people who can make you weep with a simple major pentatonic. just because it has a cool name doesn't make it right to use. The ionian for example - it's the major pentatonic plus 2 notes (otherwise known as the major scale). Until you really understand what you're playing all you'll be doing by playing in different "modes" is playing the major/minor scale in different neck positions.

As for this i haven't got a guitar to hand, but it doesn't sound modal to me. Since 95% of rock music is written in major or minor they'd be a good place to start.

EDIT: take a look at the tab - see what he plays - do similar.
i'm so nice i even found the tab for you
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/g/galneryus/requiem_guitar_pro.htm
Last edited by doive at Sep 24, 2009,
#4
I would suggest sticking with the major/minor key of the song. I see no point in bringing modes into the picture.
#5
^^^no F minor NOT F aeolian. It's actually wrong to bring modes into a non-modal progression...
#6
Quote by doive
^^^no F minor NOT F aeolian. It's actually wrong to bring modes into a non-modal progression...


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#8
@doive
I've been playing guitar for about 6 years, I didn't mean pentatonic SOUNDS boring, I know (for the most part anyway) what I'm doing when it comes to that. :P I just meant it's boring to play.

However, thanks for clearing a few things up about modes. I learned them about a year ago but never actually used them and only just recently wanted to have a better grasp of them.

Also, I don't need that tab, I've pretty much got most of it down by ear. But ty.
#9
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@doive
I've been playing guitar for about 6 years, I didn't mean pentatonic SOUNDS boring, I know (for the most part anyway) what I'm doing when it comes to that. :P I just meant it's boring to play.

However, thanks for clearing a few things up about modes. I learned them about a year ago but never actually used them and only just recently wanted to have a better grasp of them.

Also, I don't need that tab, I've pretty much got most of it down by ear. But ty.


So you know the scale that's being used then. You claim to be comfortable with pentatonics too. Put the two together, and play something pentatonic (and play it in weird positions if you find it too boring to play), or play something in natural minor (you should know the tonic if you've learned the song). A part is only as boring to play as you make it.
#10
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So you know the scale that's being used then. You claim to be comfortable with pentatonics too. Put the two together, and play something pentatonic (and play it in weird positions if you find it too boring to play), or play something in natural minor (you should know the tonic if you've learned the song). A part is only as boring to play as you make it.

You have a point, my original post was me mostly rambling on when my main question was how to appropriately use modes (specifically in this song) but now I see it's incorrect for me to do that.
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Fail why? Because he's... right?

no, fail because minor is aeolian....
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#12
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no, fail because minor is aeolian....


No its not. They contain the same notes, but aeolian is a modal term, and minor is a tonal term. When discussing tonal music, one should use minor, and when discussing modal music, one should use aeolian.
#13
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no, fail because minor is aeolian....


Here we go again...sigh...what isaac said.

Saying that somebody fails is quite a fail if YOU're the one who's failing, isnt it?