#1
so after some hard work i sasve up enough for either the line 6 or anything in that price range.

I know you guys hate line 6's but i just started a few months ago and i'm not gigging just a hobby....
#2
I have that amp, and it does me fine! I've played a few gigs here and there and it does what I need it to.
#4
Well if you're not gigging then it makes absolutely no sense to get an amp with all that wattage. What music do you play?
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#6
There's better stuff out there, even if you're not gigging. Budget? Location? Genres?

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#7
QUOTE=Zoso1994]There's s better stuff out there, even if you're not gigging. Budget? Location? Genres?
the spider ivs are just more presets and i play a bit of everything and about 300 bucks
#8
TS, you are wrong because:
1.- line 6 spiders suck dick
2.- You aren't gigging, why do you need 60x2 watts?
3.- Spider 4's still suck. they have more presets but they're still sh*tty, so forget about them.

Get a vox VT (not VTXL)if you play classic rock/rock pop/alternative/blues, etc. and a Peavey Vypyr or roland Microcube if you play hardcore/heavy punk/metal/shred, they can still have great clean tones tho. If you like blues or clean stuff(jazz, rock and roll w/e), I would reccomend you to get a small tube amp, like the Fender por junior, Vox AC4 or Blackheart Little Giant.

Please, tell use how much cash do you have and what do you play. Also, can you buy used stuff?
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#9
^^ what he said, and add blackstar HT-5 to the list.

EDIT: Just checked price, it's stretching your budget but it's worth it to save up an extra $100 bucks and go with blackstar HT-5. Low wattage tube amp great for playing at bedroom volume and sounding good, for gigging you can always mic it up.

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Last edited by Zoso1994 at Sep 27, 2009,
#10
Quote by ldnovelo
TS, you are wrong because:
1.- line 6 spiders suck dick
2.- You aren't gigging, why do you need 60x2 watts?
3.- Spider 4's still suck. they have more presets but they're still sh*tty, so forget about them.

Get a vox VT (not VTXL)if you play classic rock/rock pop/alternative/blues, etc. and a Peavey Vypyr or roland Microcube if you play hardcore/heavy punk/metal/shred, they can still have great clean tones tho. If you like blues or clean stuff(jazz, rock and roll w/e), I would reccomend you to get a small tube amp, like the Fender por junior, Vox AC4 or Blackheart Little Giant.

Please, tell use how much cash do you have and what do you play. Also, can you buy used stuff?

I play in my schools jazz band so i need it kinda loud for that and i also play upto white chapel stuff. Also i cant strect my buget any more i already am a little over the max because i need it for college... i know sorry =(
#11
Get a Fender Super Champ XD. If you are dying for lots of watts then a Vypyr 75. Both fit your budget.
#12
Quote by fly135
Get a Fender Super Champ XD. If you are dying for lots of watts then a Vypyr 75. Both fit your budget.

i am looking at the fender but what makes the vypyrs better???
#13
Quote by j0k3rj0k3r
i am looking at the fender but what makes the vypyrs better???

the fender is a tube amp. It's better than the vypyr. But the vypyr has better modeling than spiders, and they even have decent effects. the spider is a bad modeling amp, that's why they are always on discount or the first thing that the GC guys offer. They have sh*t tone and the noobs think "hey here's clean and here's brootal I want it". their main buyers are noobs. thery're a trap.
50w are enough for small gigs, and some overdriven 5w tube amps can be as loud as a trumpet, so you shouldnt worry about volume.
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#14
Quote by ldnovelo
the fender is a tube amp. It's better than the vypyr. But the vypyr has better modeling than spiders, and they even have decent effects. the spider is a bad modeling amp, that's why they are always on discount or the first thing that the GC guys offer. They have sh*t tone and the noobs think "hey here's clean and here's brootal I want it". their main buyers are noobs. thery're a trap.
50w are enough for small gigs, and some overdriven 5w tube amps can be as loud as a trumpet, so you shouldnt worry about volume.

I know tubes are better lol my friend has a vox 4 watt and it screamed above our trumpets (we have two guitars and sometimes i play the trumpet for the jazz band.) its hard to blast my horn above that but i wanted a modeling amp so im unserstanding that these peavys are better but i still want/need presets i couldn't dial that tone in myself...
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Quote by j0k3rj0k3r
but i still want/need presets i couldn't dial that tone in myself...


Yes you could.

Most of the presets on Spiders are pretty awful, too.
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#16
Quote by j0k3rj0k3r
I know tubes are better lol my friend has a vox 4 watt and it screamed above our trumpets (we have two guitars and sometimes i play the trumpet for the jazz band.) its hard to blast my horn above that but i wanted a modeling amp so im unserstanding that these peavys are better but i still want/need presets i couldn't dial that tone in myself...


My best friend has the Vypyr. The more I play around with it, the more I come to realize that it's thin and hides behind versatility. It does everything OK, but nothing good. Also, if you don't need UBER BROOTALZ, then get a Fender Superchamp XD. They have enough gain on tap for hair metal, IIRC, and they have great cleans, good effects, and pretty nice overdrive. Also, it's within your price range. I recently tried one, and was quite impressed with it.

If you really want a modelling amp though, go with a Vox Valvetronix 30W. The extra $100 for the Valvetronix series is worth it.

Finally, if you don't mind going used, you MIGHT be able to score a used Classic 30 for that much. Where do you live? I could browse your craigslist for you to look for good deals.
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#17
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My best friend has the Vypyr. The more I play around with it, the more I come to realize that it's thin and hides behind versatility. It does everything OK, but nothing good. Also, if you don't need UBER BROOTALZ, then get a Fender Superchamp XD. They have enough gain on tap for hair metal, IIRC, and they have great cleans, good effects, and pretty nice overdrive. Also, it's within your price range. I recently tried one, and was quite impressed with it.

If you really want a modelling amp though, go with a Vox Valvetronix 30W. The extra $100 for the Valvetronix series is worth it.

Finally, if you don't mind going used, you MIGHT be able to score a used Classic 30 for that much. Where do you live? I could browse your craigslist for you to look for good deals.

Ok i kinda need uber br00tal sounds but a pedal should do the trick ima look in gc at this fender xd
#18
Quote by j0k3rj0k3r
i am looking at the fender but what makes the vypyrs better???
I'm not saying the Vypyr is better than the SCXD, but it depends on your priorities. The Vypyr will give you more FX and better control over the FX parameters. It allows use of the proprietary Sampera pedal to control those FX. They are decent amps.

The SCXD has a tube power section and IMO the mid gain tones are better than the Vypyr. The Vypyr's mid gain is grainy. Overall I think the tones of the SCXD are better than the Vypyr, plus the XD will take pedals better than the Vypyr. However the Vypyr metal tones edge out the XD.
#19
Quote by fly135
I'm not saying the Vypyr is better than the SCXD, but it depends on your priorities. The Vypyr will give you more FX and better control over the FX parameters. It allows use of the proprietary Sampera pedal to control those FX. They are decent amps.

The SCXD has a tube power section and IMO the mid gain tones are better than the Vypyr. The Vypyr's mid gain is grainy. Overall I think the tones of the SCXD are better than the Vypyr, plus the XD will take pedals better than the Vypyr. However the Vypyr metal tones edge out the XD.

sorry let me rephrase that why are the peavys better than line 6s
#20
Quote by j0k3rj0k3r
sorry let me rephrase that why are the peavys better than line 6s

Not all Peaveys are better than all Line6 amps - both companies make a lot of different amps and both have fantastic as well as grotesquely bad ones in their line up.

The Vypyr is good because for what it costs, it offers reasonably good sounds. The Spider, on the other hand, costs just as much as the Vypyr but sounds worse on all (or most) accounts.

No doubt there are worse amps out there than the Spider, but by Odin, there's also many better ones for the price.
#21
If you want a Line 6... why not a used Spider Valve or Flextone...

Go used, you get a better resale value.

I promise, much as you are determined to get a Spider IV, you will regret it. We're not being snobby... but it'll be a mistake to get a Spider IV.
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Quote by j0k3rj0k3r
sorry let me rephrase that why are the peavys better than line 6s
I'm assuming you are asking about Vypyr vs Spider since your first post indicated interest in the Spider. The Vypyr has more amp models and FX than the Spider. I've never used a Spider but I do have a Vypyr 15. The Vypyr 15 sounds pretty good. And I've never heard more disparaged comments about an amp than the Spider. So that would make me leary of getting one especially knowing that there is a full lineup of Vypyr amps that are cost competitive against the Spider.

Of course you can always go to the shop and play a Spider. If you like it then wat the hay, it's your choice.
#23
Quote by ragingkitty
If you want a Line 6... why not a used Spider Valve or Flextone...

Go used, you get a better resale value.

I promise, much as you are determined to get a Spider IV, you will regret it. We're not being snobby... but it'll be a mistake to get a Spider IV.

i heard great things of these amps i might listen, but spiders sound nice to me. the spider valves are 399 ill try to get one of those but as a back up i still love the spider sound and flexibility
#24
Quote by ldnovelo
TS, you are wrong because:
1.- line 6 spiders suck dick
2.- You aren't gigging, why do you need 60x2 watts?
3.- Spider 4's still suck. they have more presets but they're still sh*tty, so forget about them.

Get a vox VT (not VTXL)if you play classic rock/rock pop/alternative/blues, etc. and a Peavey Vypyr or roland Microcube if you play hardcore/heavy punk/metal/shred, they can still have great clean tones tho. If you like blues or clean stuff(jazz, rock and roll w/e), I would reccomend you to get a small tube amp, like the Fender por junior, Vox AC4 or Blackheart Little Giant.

Please, tell use how much cash do you have and what do you play. Also, can you buy used stuff?

And you probably do too The slackadjuster
#25
Quote by ldnovelo
the fender is a tube amp. It's better than the vypyr. But the vypyr has better modeling than spiders, and they even have decent effects. the spider is a bad modeling amp, that's why they are always on discount or the first thing that the GC guys offer. They have sh*t tone and the noobs think "hey here's clean and here's brootal I want it". their main buyers are noobs. thery're a trap.
50w are enough for small gigs, and some overdriven 5w tube amps can be as loud as a trumpet, so you shouldnt worry about volume.

Do you know how to spell moron????? It start with an M and an O and R and O then finish with a N and that's what you are a" MORON "do you get it Spider amps are fine for anyone and peoples that start out don't give a damn about what you say bad about spider amps. Start speaking smart and don't try to be an idiot because , nobody here won't listen to you. This is not the school backyard. So stop insulting beginners and your opinion will be taken seriously The slackadjuster
#26
Quote by fly135
I'm not saying the Vypyr is better than the SCXD, but it depends on your priorities. The Vypyr will give you more FX and better control over the FX parameters. It allows use of the proprietary Sampera pedal to control those FX. They are decent amps.

The SCXD has a tube power section and IMO the mid gain tones are better than the Vypyr. The Vypyr's mid gain is grainy. Overall I think the tones of the SCXD are better than the Vypyr, plus the XD will take pedals better than the Vypyr. However the Vypyr metal tones edge out the XD.


That pretty much nails it, or at least summarized how I feel about it. Vypyr 60 is even better imo, but it is over your budget.

Have you considered used amps too?
#27
Quote by j0k3rj0k3r
i heard great things of these amps i might listen, but spiders sound nice to me. the spider valves are 399 ill try to get one of those but as a back up i still love the spider sound and flexibility


FWIW, I have a Spider Valve, and the additional $99 you spend on that is a massive upgrade from the Spider IV. The SV is just as flexible as the regular Spiders.
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#28
Quote by ragingkitty
FWIW, I have a Spider Valve, and the additional $99 you spend on that is a massive upgrade from the Spider IV. The SV is just as flexible as the regular Spiders.

Sorry for the delay guys ap bio homework idk why i took it... but seriously what i got from these comments is that i'm not the only one who doesn't think spiders aren't worthless, but my first choice should be a valve as it is. I have consindered used but my craigslist is pretty worthless and pittsburgh gc doesnt have a ton of stuff either
#29
dude,

these may not all be perfect for you and may be out of your budget but you can't tell me there is nothing on your craigslist. All of these are at least worth a look and all posted in the last few days. Point is, if you do not find something in here today - then keep your eyes peeled. I'm currently calculating the distance from my house to Pittsburgh


Mesa Boogie Mark III purple stripe (offer cash anyway)
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/msg/1396251462.html

Peavey XXX head $300 (needs cab, not the best for blues)
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/msg/1395875948.html

Marshall JCM2000 DSL half stack $900
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/msg/1395244684.html

Crate V1512 combo $200
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/msg/1394882483.html

Peavey VT100 tube combo $130
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/msg/1394879455.html

Hughes n Kettner Duotone head $900 (needs cab)
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/msg/1394331979.html

Fender 70s Super Reverb $650
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/msg/1394221413.html

Fender Evil Twin red knob $600-$800 range
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/msg/1393901751.html

Crate Flexwave 212 combo $300
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/msg/1392329701.html

Ampeg 212 140C $150
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/msg/1392311050.html

Vox AD50VT $250
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/msg/1391804354.html

Peavey Classic 50 212 $375
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/msg/1390915023.html

motivation
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Last edited by 311ZOSOVHJH at Sep 28, 2009,
#30
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH

I'd look at that, and then an overdrive.

That's a good amp (that I happen to own in white ) and a fantastic speaker upgrade.
With a good overdrive you could get it into metal territory easily:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Danelectro-Cool-Cat-Series-CTO-1-Transparent-Overdrive-Guitar-Effects-Pedal-482332-i1400959.gc
Or, you could bypass the overdrive and go straight for a distortion pedal.
http://www.guitarcenter.com/DigiTech-HardWire-Series-TL-2-Metal-Distortion-Guitar-Effects-Pedal-105018675-i1410005.gc

Either way, you're set with an amp that can get as heavy as the spider, is plenty loud, and sounds way better, all for less money.

Here's a clip of a higher wattage version of the same amp with an overdrive pedal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyWj1-XcX2E#t=4m
Last edited by saltysnail at Sep 28, 2009,
#31
Quote by saltysnail
I'd look at that, and then an overdrive.

That's a good amp (that I happen to own in white ) and a fantastic speaker upgrade.
With a good overdrive you could get it into metal territory easily:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Danelectro-Cool-Cat-Series-CTO-1-Transparent-Overdrive-Guitar-Effects-Pedal-482332-i1400959.gc
Or, you could bypass the overdrive and go straight for a distortion pedal.
http://www.guitarcenter.com/DigiTech-HardWire-Series-TL-2-Metal-Distortion-Guitar-Effects-Pedal-105018675-i1410005.gc

Either way, you're set with an amp that can get as heavy as the spider, is plenty loud, and sounds way better, all for less money.

Here's a clip of a higher wattage version of the same amp with an overdrive pedal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyWj1-XcX2E#t=4m


thanks guys i saw this crate, and ill look into it but the valve is still my first choice
#32
That Crate is a valve amp. That's what the V stands for.

And look, I repeat, I wasn't suggesting that all of those I listed are perfect for you I was just trying to inform you that you DO have good deals on your craigslist you just gotta troll that sucker.
#33
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
That Crate is a valve amp. That's what the V stands for.

And look, I repeat, I wasn't suggesting that all of those I listed are perfect for you I was just trying to inform you that you DO have good deals on your craigslist you just gotta troll that sucker.

Yeah i will for sure i knew it was valve i meant the spider valve btw
Last edited by j0k3rj0k3r at Sep 29, 2009,