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#1
I play in Two tunings Drop C, and D standard.

( C for the metalcore, D for the thrash)

Is there any way i can set up my guitar to go from

Drop C (CGCFAD) to D standard (DGCFAD)

with the fine tuners? or something?

i use the tremelo constantly for soloing, but i wrote a few solos for our thrash songs, and it would be great if i can use it for those songs too.
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#2
Yeah, set the guitar up in whatever you use more, lets say Drop C.

Set the guitar up regularly.

Turn the Low C fine tuner 3/4 the way in.

Re-tune.


Then, you can just relatively tune to D with that one fine tuner, it won't be perfect, but it's the closest you'll get.
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#3
Yah, but you have 2 guitars, why not use one for each tuning?
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#5
well when its in standerd you can tune to drop d with fine tuners without problems really,
might work the same here by setting it to d standerd but i'm not sure
#6
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Yah, but you have 2 guitars, why not use one for each tuning?


one of my guitars dont have a tremelo bridge.
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#7
my friend has an ibanez s series with a floyd rose tremelo, and he can go from standard to drop tuning with the fine tuners perfectly, no problemo. Guess it depends on how the string is initially fed into the bridge when restringing. Not sure tho.
#9
well i jsut rose with te fine tuner. my c to a d. the other strings went wayyy flat.
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#10
yes you can do it...people have been saying you can't on here before, but the fine tuners go far enough to allow you to go from standard to drop tuning (in your case D standard to drop C)....just put the fine tuner far in on the D string to begin and there will be enough lee way for you to tune down to C
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#11
ah wait. so i should innitially set it up to D standard ( my main tuning is drop c) then drop it to c?
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#12
Quote by Shpunt
well i jsut rose with te fine tuner. my c to a d. the other strings went wayyy flat.



are they new strings? I don't know why that would happen...do you have the locking nut screwed in?
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#13
Quote by Shpunt
ah wait. so i should innitially set it up to D standard ( my main tuning is drop c) then drop it to c?



That's what I do, but at a recent gig I went from drop C to D standard between songs with the fine tuner with no problems
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this, but it may prevent you from pulling the bar up very high
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#17
no cause if i get a dtuna then im blocked. and can only dive down.

EDIT: wait i have a edge III, and the string lock is placed differently. so is therea chance i can still freely use the tremelo?
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Last edited by Shpunt at Sep 29, 2009,
#18
I do this with all my tremolo guitars and it works fine. Use at least 4 springs in the back or if you have to, you can use 3 springs so the two outside springs are pulled tighter (kinda looks like this /|\). This will make your tremolo harder, but don't be a wimp.

Now unlock your nut on the neck and set all the fine tuners in the middle, even the top string.
Tune you guitar like this: C#GCFAD
Lock your nut when you've done.
Then tune your guitar again with the fine tuners like this: C#GCFAD
Now you can even Drop C or Standard D that thing by tightening or loosening the fine tuner.

I like to add a Tremsetter for the best results. I had looked into the D-tuna and you have to modify the front of your guitar too much for my taste.
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#19
I can never get it to work right. My other strings always go out of tune. I mean there is enough turn in the fine tunner to do it but then you have to re-tune all the other strings that just went flat.
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#20
You won't be able to use D-Tuna with fully floating bridge, without causing the guitar to go out of tune.
so: DON'T GET THE D-TUNA FFS.
#21
Quote by Bertallica
I do this with all my tremolo guitars and it works fine. Use at least 4 springs in the back or if you have to, you can use 3 springs so the two outside springs are pulled tighter (kinda looks like this /|\). This will make your tremolo harder, but don't be a wimp.

Now unlock your nut on the neck and set all the fine tuners in the middle, even the top string.
Tune you guitar like this: C#GCFAD
Lock your nut when you've done.
Then tune your guitar again with the fine tuners like this: C#GCFAD
Now you can even Drop C or Standard D that thing by tightening or loosening the fine tuner.

I like to add a Tremsetter for the best results. I had looked into the D-tuna and you have to modify the front of your guitar too much for my taste.


this sounds legit. thanks. but how do i loosen my tremelo to move my springs?

also i uses .10s . does that affect it?
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#22
Quote by Shpunt
but how do i loosen my tremelo to move my springs?

also i uses .10s . does that affect it?

Pull up on the tremolo (tightening your strings), this will make the distance from the trem block to the claw shorter.

To do this, I'd usually have the guitar facing downward on my lap and kinda use my right knee and my right hand to push the guitar down, then somehow still use both hands to stretch the spring and put it in place.

You do have to reset your bridge when you do this so that it's level when you to the initial tuning. .10's wont effect this.
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Last edited by Bertallica at Sep 29, 2009,
#23
i having trobules getting the spring off still.
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#24
You need to unscrew the nut and de-tune your strings so there is little to no tension, then you should be able to get the springs out.
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#25
i detuned my strings far enough for the tremclaw to go down all the way. yet i cant managie to pull the spring out
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#26
Hmmm......are you have trouble getting the springs off the claw or the underside of the tremelo?

If its the tremelo there might be a little plate covering where the springs go. If you you have to unscrew that first for the springs to come out.
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#27
ill just loosen the screws on the oppisite side. and markwhere it was with a pencil and try again
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#28
okay i did it. but now this is going to be hell to setup
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#29
i did what you told me to do. yet, whne i go to d standard, or drop c. my strings go horribly out of tune.
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#30
Quote by Shpunt
i did what you told me to do. yet, whne i go to d standard, or drop c. my strings go horribly out of tune.


Which is what mine do when trying to do that. Which is why I never do this, but that other guy swears it works for him.

I've tried many times to get it to work and have failed everytime.

Just don't see how its possible as the tension on 1 string affects all the others so if you alter one the others are also altered whether you want them to or not.

This is the reason I bought a secong guitar...for all the tunnings my floating trem guitar isn't in.
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#31
right. i have two guitars. one with a trem. but i need to use the trem in both tunings >.> .
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#32
Oh, I feel you, but there are just some things that can't be done with a guitar.

Good luck, if you keep trying maybe you can get it to work or maybe that other guy will come on here and offer up some more advise on how he got it to work.
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#33
alright. lets say i cant. should i put the springs back to their original position?
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#34
I would.

I'm just used to it that way so why change?
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#35
>.> . im really for a total pain in the ass again.
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#36
Quote by TheBigProjekt
Yeah, set the guitar up in whatever you use more, lets say Drop C.

Set the guitar up regularly.

Turn the Low C fine tuner 3/4 the way in.

Re-tune.


Then, you can just relatively tune to D with that one fine tuner, it won't be perfect, but it's the closest you'll get.


This'll work.

But your intonation will probably get all screwed up.
#37
yeah its not working. i gave up on it. i set it to drop c. and didnt do intonation and then such yet. my springs are still in the /|\ position and im thinking about putting it back to the ||| position
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#38
How is it not working?

The other strings are still going to go flat or sharpen as you go from D standard to Drop C, but it's going to be very small (about 2 cents in either direction) This is not a perfect fix but it will allow you use both tunings on one floating trem guitar.

When I first started doing this I kept using my chromatic tuner to get the perfect pitch. That was never going to happen.

Tune the guitar in the middle with a chromatic tuner, then only use your ears when you go Drop C or D Standard. The rest of the strings should be very close in tune when you play a chord.

The extra tension from the springs will counteract the differences in tension from your top string.
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#39
i tried it, and they went wayyy off tune. like about a quarter or a third step down or up
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#40
If a quater or third is too much, then you'd either need to block the trem (which you already said you didn't what to do) or invest in a Tremsetter and set up for the highest tension.

You'd still have completely floating trem with a Tremsetter.
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