Poll: How important are lyrics in metal to you?
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View poll results: How important are lyrics in metal to you?
Not important at all - I'm here for the music
25 12%
Somewhat important - I like good lyrics, but don't mind crappy lyrics
136 67%
Very important - Lyrics can make or break a band for me.
41 20%
Voters: 202.
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#1
How much do lyrics matter to you in metal? We all know that there are musicians in metal that can wank their asses of when it comes to instruments, but a lot of metal bands have terrible lyrics.

Some are completely cheesy and terribly written (a lot of power metal), some are rather atrocious (Cannibal Corpse, early Death, and most bands that use some kind of medical term for a name/song title). And so on and so forth.

When it comes to metal music, I can't listen if the lyrics are horrible and pointless.

Case in point:

Quote by Necrophagist
From Culinary Hyperversity -

Hateful I'm slashing, the head is removed
Removing the head of the corpse
The throat down the hard chest the trunk is torn
Tearing the trunk of the corpse

Disintegrating the stiff limb by limb
Performing deviant butchery
I chop up the limbs into small handy chunks
In my own way of sick butchery...


And so on and so forth.

There are lots of bands that write lyrics like this in metal. There are plenty of good lyricists in metal, of course, but there are a lot of bad ones too.

Most of the time, I can't listen to a band if I don't like the lyrics. There are a few exceptions for me, though. For instance, I don't like some of the lyrics in The Black Dahlia Murder (it's not an issue of whether they're well written or not, it's the content) but I still love the band.

How important are lyrics to you in metal?
Last edited by jetfuel495 at Sep 29, 2009,
#2
Bad Music + Bad Lyrics = Bad

Good Music + Bad Lyrics = Tolerable + 1

Good Music + Good Lyrics = Good

Bad Music + Good Lyrics = I won't listen, but can appreciate the story/concept
Glance into my eyes
and see the darkest shadows dancing
Playing in the desert of my life
Burning, -
and my soul is descending...



#3
They are of little importance to me. I usually don't care. But there's exceptions... (I wouldn't listen to a band with NS beliefs).
Not everyone likes metal...

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#4
I only care if the lyrics are fantastic or really fucking terrible. That's about it. For once, I'm actually not going to post any of Worm's.
#5
It's pretty important to me, and a really cool plus to bands I listen to. If their lyrics suck ass, then it's ok, I'll still listen to it if it sounds good.

but, here's some badass lyrics

No more ifs, no bias, no ambiguity
No wondering whether this is it
Clarity so brightly wrong
The image so painfully absolute

No edges blurred on this awareness
No unknown weight to tip the knowledge scales
Eyes dilated to grasp it all
As every illusion of what we are fails

An unquestionable picture - determined, complete
Its crystalline lines untouched by doubt
So vivid, so deprived of hesitation
Shining in its evil splendor

The burning hatred of man
A million degrees on display
Human voracity delineated
The demons in us all by fumes portrayed

Stare, see, take in, grasp
Comprehend, assimilate, behold your reflection

Its framing - gold plated lies
The canvas - hurting souls caught and weaved
The artist - the human dream
Incinerated, devoured, deceived
Cette nuit j'ai rêvé que je mâchais ses yeux
Après avoir crevé par accès de furie
Ta replète panse d'helminthes blancs nourrie,
Trop prompte à déféquer le fruit d'un vit sanieux.
#6
It's subjective. With a lot of bands that use prominent growling/screaming, you can barely make out what they're saying and it's really just a decoration. However, good lyrics are pretty vital for the bands who don't have decipherable vocals.
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#7
well i can stand bad lyrics when theyre placed well. i.e. annotations of an autopsy.
but bad lyrics just thrown in wherever isnt too fun to listen to.

everyone should write like the singer for parkway drive



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#8
I dont even lsten to lyrics in songs unless its Black Sabbath.Most of the times im listening to the guitar parts.
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#9
Quote by reldask
well i can stand bad lyrics when theyre placed well. i.e. annotations of an autopsy.



What's wrong with making them good lyrics placed well?

Besides, the lyrics are placed in Annotations of an Autopsy, they're always going to be badly placed.
Last edited by webbtje at Sep 29, 2009,
#10
i think the death/ cc lyrics aren't really that important, because without looking in the cd booklet i think its difficult to understand what they are saying-Im more there for the music on most death metal

its easier for me to understand death though

also random "oh yeahs" ect in the middle of the song really annoys me
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#11
Quote by webbtje
What's wrong with making them good lyrics placed well?


well i dont quite place raping and disemboweling females good lyrics lol



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#13
Depends. Something as iconic as:

"Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n' roll
Metal ten fold through the deadly black hole
Riding hell's stallions bareback and free
Faking our chances with raw energy"

(Venom, Black Metal 1982)

is of course very important but not at all what makes a band good. Good lyrics I can appreciate. Bad lyrics I can definitely tolerate, if the music is good enough.
#14
We'll throw Devy into this for a case of nonsense lyrics and having just this HUGE impact and massive emotion into his music. So, I think lyrics aren't always important. I nejoy reading through some lyrics that flow, have good rhymes if they have them in the first place, and of course...if they're fairly well thought out.
#15
I will not like a band if I don't like the lyrics, no matter how good they are musically.
#17
Quote by reldask
well i can stand bad lyrics when theyre placed well. i.e. annotations of an autopsy.
but bad lyrics just thrown in wherever isnt too fun to listen to.

everyone should write like the singer for parkway drive

Well, not everybody. There'd be no variety and everyone would be angry all the time.
Quote by D&DLover
I will not like a band if I don't like the lyrics, no matter how good they are musically.

This is what I'm like a lot of the time.

EDIT: unless I'm listening to some deathcore or something that's uttery indistinguishable.

But if I know they're just talking about rape and murder (and cumming blood), I usually won't go for it. Unless it's like TBDM or something.
Last edited by jetfuel495 at Sep 29, 2009,
#18
Quote by MapleHead
They are of little importance to me. I usually don't care. But there's exceptions... (I wouldn't listen to a band with NS beliefs).

Why not? As long as it's good music it doesn't matter. I am by no means a national socialist, however I enjoy several black metal bands with this being one of their lyrical themes. The ideologies don't matter if the music sounds good.
Other planes lie beyond the reach
Of normal sense and common roads
But they are no less real
Than what we see or touch or feel
-Burzum

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#19
Quote by webbtje
I'm actually not going to post any of Worm's.


but that would be such a great example of good lyrics.
Free your mind and your ass will follow
The kingdom of heaven is within
Open up your funky mind and you can fly

Sumdeus
#21
For the most part, I could give a rat's ass about lyrics, unless:

1. I know there's a concept, and even then I might not be interested enough to look up the words.

2. It's an artist where I know I might enjoy the lyrics, like Devin Townsend, or ISIS.

3. I hear something that piques my interest in wanting to try and learn the lyrics.


Other than that? I don't care, or try and pay attention. Vocals are just another instrument in the glorious sonic landscape. I know a lot of work goes into lyrics sometimes, and I mean no disrepspect towards them, but, for me, they don't add anything to the music itself at all. They're fluff. The vocals themselves are the real imortant thing.
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#22
Bodom have crappy lyrics and I still like em, it's the bands sound that intrigues me but usually they will need good lyrics to really make me like them EX. Death, Opeth, Dark Tranquillity, Mastodon etc etc
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#23
All lyrics are horrible
A heathen, conceivably
but not,

I hope,
I’m not ashamed to be white
Vi doede ikke... vi har aldri levd
Barbarism is the natural state of mankind
Civilization is unnatural

It is a whim of circumstance
an unenlightened one
#24
Quote by linfield4466
Bad Music + Bad Lyrics = Bad


Not applicable if the band is power metal or deathcore. It then becomes super cheesy and becomes an enjoyable laughing stock
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#26
Lyrics generally don't mean much to me, but if I find the lyrics very offensive (e.g. lyrics railing against what I believe in) I most likely won't listen.
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#27
Why would you care about the message?

Sure, some bands have cool messages. Others don't, you think just because Nokturnal Mortum HAD that view on black people, that I stopped listening to them?

You're just depriving yourself really. You people get butthurt too easily, just enjoy the music...if its good, its good.
#28
Quote by severed-metal
Why would you care about the message?

I like lyrics I can relate to.

Of course, I can't relate to everything I like to listen to, but there are always exceptions.

Does anyone think there's any noticeable impact on the human psyche that results from violent/sacriligious lyrics in general? I think I've personally seen enough to believe it.
#29
Eh, all this "wah, bands without faux-poetic lyrics are poo-poo" crap annoys me.

I rarely give a sh*t about lyrics, unless I'm really really fond of the band or the lyricist (i.e. Carcass, Opeth, Nile, etc).

Bands are a musical form of expression. Poetry is for you non-prose losers
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Quote by eggsandham2
cuz ppl hate how power metal they are cuz they think its "gay" or w.e, which is immature and dirogitory
#30
Quote by jetfuel495
I like lyrics I can relate to.

Of course, I can't relate to everything I like to listen to, but there are always exceptions.

Does anyone think there's any noticeable impact on the human psyche that results from violent/sacriligious lyrics in general? I think I've personally seen enough to believe it.


That's an awesome question. I would say yes. I think a person already has to be pretty ****ed up to listen to those severely gory lyrics, like the ones in your original post, in the first place. That is if they are aweare of them.

That's my thing. If I've ready the lyrics and consider them too disturbing I draw the line right there. So lyrics do matter to an extent. But as a lot have said in this type of music they serve more as another instrument to harmonize or brutalize or grunt or screech with.

I'm kind of in the same boat as you with TBDM. Killer sound like everything about it but Trevors lyrics are really borderline for me, but not quite enough for me to stop listening.
#31
Overly complex lyrics has the same effect to bands with overly complex riffs or whatever. Pretentiousness. Good lyrics like guitar riffs must flow naturally and bad bands would try hard to write songs about some Aztec god they spent a week researching about or using large words to impress the listeners. The same way I don't judge a band by how technical they are, I don't judge a band by their lyrical ability alone and look at the overall atmosphere created.
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#32
Quote by Unforgiven_1
That's an awesome question. I would say yes. I think a person already has to be pretty ****ed up to listen to those severely gory lyrics, like the ones in your original post, in the first place. That is if they are aweare of them.

That's my thing. If I've ready the lyrics and consider them too disturbing I draw the line right there. So lyrics do matter to an extent. But as a lot have said in this type of music they serve more as another instrument to harmonize or brutalize or grunt or screech with.

I'm kind of in the same boat as you with TBDM. Killer sound like everything about it but Trevors lyrics are really borderline for me, but not quite enough for me to stop listening.

Other planes lie beyond the reach
Of normal sense and common roads
But they are no less real
Than what we see or touch or feel
-Burzum

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#33
I don't see what's wrong with gory lyrics.
Free your mind and your ass will follow
The kingdom of heaven is within
Open up your funky mind and you can fly

Sumdeus
#34
To be honest, I've never heard a metal band that I couldn't listen to because of the lyrics. So I'm gonna say they're not really that important. Although, when they're good lyrics, that always helps a song.
#35
Quote by Guitar_Kingdom

I'm gonna have to disagree with you here, to an extent. I think lyrics (and media in general) has an effect on our subconscious mind.

All of my atheist friends only became atheist after listening to loads of black metal. On the other hand, a lot of my friends who are into Christian hardcore and whatnot are strong believers.

How many people in the metal forum believe in god? How many of those people have the balls to admit it here?
#36
Quote by jetfuel495

How many people in the metal forum believe in god? How many of those people have the balls to admit it here?



I do.
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#37
Quote by jetfuel495

How many people in the metal forum believe in god? How many of those people have the balls to admit it here?


I haven't believed in God ever since I've known what religion is.

Had nothing to do with metal music.
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Quote by eggsandham2
cuz ppl hate how power metal they are cuz they think its "gay" or w.e, which is immature and dirogitory
#39
Quote by Slaytanic1993
I haven't believed in God ever since I've known what religion is.

Had nothing to do with metal music.


This.

Also, if the lyrics fit the vocals being used, and the vocals fit the music, then I don't see why there would be a problem.
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