#1
I had just started learning to shred, I need some easy shredding songs to play and practice...Any suggestions?
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#8
get your self some lick library dvd`s of Joe Satriani and Steve Vai and EVH, they also do dvds covering the techniques and how to construct your own shred licks.

For the love of god is relatively easy - the UG tab is slightly wrong btw and i`ll get round to rectifying this at some point (it`ll be the 1st tab i`ve done(when i get round to doing it) for UG btw)
#9
How long have you been playing??

I wouldn't consider learning "shred" until you have perfected your bending, vibrato and other fundamental techniques. It's also wise to have a good knowledge of some major and minor scales too before you begin.
#11
There's no such thing as "beginning learning to shred".

"Shredding" is simply playing the guitar - except it's done very, very well. Shredders don't do anything different to everyone else except for practice their asses of. Most of what they do is exactly the same as what everyone else does, they're just incredibly good at it. Most shredders also have phenomenal music knowledge in terms of the variety of styles and genres they understand and can play and also from a theory point of view - which is crucial as it means they can actually use their blistering technique for something other than running up and down scales or playing chromatics.

So all you need to do is practice, practice, practice and set exacting standards for yourself.
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#12
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There's no such thing as "beginning learning to shred".

"Shredding" is simply playing the guitar - except it's done very, very well.


I don't quite get this. Are you suggesting that shredders play the guitar better than those who don't shred?

I've heard plenty of shredders who have astounding technique yet the music is so frggin' boring and annoying.

The ability to shred doesn't make a guitarist better than someone who does not shred. It certainly doesn't make them a better musician.
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#13
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Shredding" is simply playing the guitar - except it's done very, very well.


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I don't quite get this. Are you suggesting that shredders play the guitar better than those who don't shred?

I've heard plenty of shredders who have astounding technique yet the music is so frggin' boring and annoying.

The ability to shred doesn't make a guitarist better than someone who does not shred. It certainly doesn't make them a better musician.


If you have astounding technique then you can play the guitar very well. Whether everyone likes it or not is another issue.
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If you have astounding technique then you can play the guitar very well. Whether everyone likes it or not is another issue.


True, but playing at very high speeds doesn't make you better than another guitarist who doesn't. That's the basis for my argument
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I don't quite get this. Are you suggesting that shredders play the guitar better than those who don't shred?
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From a technical point of view yes.
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From a technical point of view yes.


ahh, then I rest my case
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True, but playing at very high speeds doesn't make you better than another guitarist who doesn't. That's the basis for my argument


Depends on what your criteria are. If pure musical technique is what you are looking at then shredders are better. If emotion and creativity is what you are looking at then probably not.
#18
fast doesnt equal good or better or anything like that
its just fast nothing more,
your stupid to think otherwise
#19
Quote by innertom
fast doesnt equal good or better or anything like that
its just fast nothing more,
your stupid to think otherwise


If two runner learn the perfect technique for running and one is able to run twice as fast as the other while maintaining the perfect technique, then which is the better runner?
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Quote by innertom
fast doesnt equal good or better or anything like that
its just fast nothing more,
your stupid to think otherwise


This dude speaks sense

As for the running analogy - it's stupid

A guitar is a musical instrument, for playing music. Playing very fast doesn't equal better music nor does it make a guitarist better in terms of technique.

As the previous guy mentioned, it's just more notes, played very fast and nothing more.
#21
I stand by what I said, it is definately harder to play a certain riff/lick/solo quickly than it is to play it slowly, and therefore requires more technical skill. Anyway I think we are starting to turn TS's thread into a flamewar so let's leave it
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ahh, then I rest my case

If you read my post properly you'll see I never said anything that we don't already agree on.
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If you read my post properly you'll see I never said anything that we don't already agree on.


I assure you, i read your post properly, I simply misunderstood it.

Had you put "Shredding" is simply playing the guitar - except it's done very, very fast ". as opposed to "very, very well" then there would have been no confusion.

Anywhooo nevermind. Peace
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I assure you, i read your post properly, I simply misunderstood it.

Had you put "Shredding" is simply playing the guitar - except it's done very, very fast ". as opposed to "very, very well" then there would have been no confusion.

Anywhooo nevermind. Peace

It is playing the guitar very well. Making music and playing the guitar are not the same thing. I think it's safe to say that someone who can shred plays the guitar very well. They've mastered the physical motions that comprise playing.
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It is playing the guitar very well. Making music and playing the guitar are not the same thing. I think it's safe to say that someone who can shred plays the guitar very well. They've mastered the physical motions that comprise playing.


I agree with where you're coming from but ultimately, a guitar is a tool for playing music. If you can shred effortlessly but the resulting musical result is horrible, i would still consider the guitarist to play poorly. The whole point of guitars or any musical instrument is to play music.

Someone who does not shred can still play "very, very well" and still master the "physical motions."

All shredding is is a different style of playing.
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#28
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fast doesnt equal good or better or anything like that
its just fast nothing more,
your stupid to think otherwise


The irony hurts
#29
look at learn small licks of shred and exercises. it will help
start slowly and work upto full speed.

for those that say shredding is better than playing slow, try playing some shred with difficult sub devisons really really slowly and then tell me its harder, and i mean really slow, like 15% speed
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It is playing the guitar very well. Making music and playing the guitar are not the same thing. I think it's safe to say that someone who can shred plays the guitar very well. They've mastered the physical motions that comprise playing.

Not if there sloppy...
#31
You guys are arguing the difference between musicality and technicality. Technicality means playing every note correctly. Musicality is putting the soul into it. Most shred licks lack musicality but they are very technical. In this sense shred guitarists are great. They are the best technical guitarists. But for musicality it is a poor way of doing it. SRV's songs are not that technical but they are very musical, whereas Paul Gilbert is all technique. Not to say that either guitarist couldn't switch and play the other way, but it's a good comparison. Which ever way is "better" is totally up to personal opinion.
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#32
There,s realy good DVD,s out there ....do yourself afavour and buy one or get one from a friend that,s what i did , it,s paying off .
#33
This argument about Shred vs. Feeling is stupid and immature, which is why I'm jumping in...

I think that playing fast is simply another tool to express emotion in a piece, like vibrato, bending, general phrasing, dynamics, etc. That said, people who use ALL these techniques well can be considered virtuosos of the guitar IMO.

Players like Paul Gilbert, Steve Vai, and Joe Satriani, to name a few, use a bunch of techniqes to their advantage while maintaining good phrasing, and speed is not their only asset. I respect these players just as much as I respect David Gilmour, Mark Knopfler, and Andy Timmons.
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This argument about Shred vs. Feeling is stupid and immature, which is why I'm jumping in...

I think that playing fast is simply another tool to express emotion in a piece, like vibrato, bending, general phrasing, dynamics, etc. That said, people who use ALL these techniques well can be considered virtuosos of the guitar IMO.

Players like Paul Gilbert, Steve Vai, and Joe Satriani, to name a few, use a bunch of techniqes to their advantage while maintaining good phrasing, and speed is not their only asset. I respect these players just as much as I respect David Gilmour, Mark Knopfler, and Andy Timmons.

Well said. However I would put Andy Timmons around the same technical level as Satch, IMO.
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You guys are arguing the difference between musicality and technicality. Technicality means playing every note correctly. Musicality is putting the soul into it. Most shred licks lack musicality but they are very technical. In this sense shred guitarists are great. They are the best technical guitarists. But for musicality it is a poor way of doing it. SRV's songs are not that technical but they are very musical, whereas Paul Gilbert is all technique. Not to say that either guitarist couldn't switch and play the other way, but it's a good comparison. Which ever way is "better" is totally up to personal opinion.

You have no idea what you're talking about.
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#36
This "Shred is just fast playing" or whatever it's been paraphrased to is the most retarded argument I've heard. Ever.

Noone sells records that is literally just them widdling up and down harmonic minor scle or whatever you assume all shredders do.
Paul Gilbert (who is apparently all technique) is actually less shred than you'd think, listen to his more pop sounding stuff, he has excellent sense of melody and what makes a song.
With his shred stuff he's not even half as shred as he was in Racer X, which was well written stuff, if you complain about Racer X you're complaining about Hair Metal music which is considered a legitimate musical genre, and not just technique, so you'd be wrong there.

I know that the people arguing this argument wouldn't say that Jazz was all technique, a lot of the time, you go to a small jazz band's show, they'll literally just pick a standard, play the theme, then improvise for 10 minutes over the chord progression, but would people say that's all technique?
No, cos it sounds a bit slower

Anyway, some easy shred:
Ten Words - Joe Satriani was the first song I learnt from a "shred" artist, easy and nice song.
Buckethead - Welcome to Bucketheadland
Buckethead - Binge and Grab (the solo gets hard, but practice at it and you should get it)
Skyscraper - David Lee Roth