#1
People in guitar stores have been telling me that Epiphone weren't shipping new guitars out to the UK for some reason. Was wondering if this was true and/or if they had resumed normal trading?

Have others been able to find new Epiphones being sold in the UK and are they now only built in China?
#3
Well my Epiphone was built in Korea of June 2009, but I'm pretty sure it's about the last not Chinese Epiphone.
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#4
Quote by adhuv
People in guitar stores have been telling me that Epiphone weren't shipping new guitars out to the UK for some reason. Was wondering if this was true and/or if they had resumed normal trading?

Have others been able to find new Epiphones being sold in the UK and are they now only built in China?

gibson have taken over the distribution of epiphones, i highly doubt that gibson would stop shipping to a large market such as the uk, you will probably have to wait untill 2010 for the models they've just announced.
as far as i know all epiphones are made in china except the wishire 62 reissue which is mad in nashville.
#5
Quote by britishsligean
gibson have taken over the distribution of epiphones, i highly doubt that gibson would stop shipping to a large market such as the uk

You'd be surprised at how stupid Gibson's management currently is.
#6
dont get a epi
get a chinese tokai
way better
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Quote by steve!
dont get a epi
get a chinese tokai
way better


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#8
^ I'm not buying. I was just interested to know what was going on. The guy above who said that Gibson wouldn't do something as stupid as close a market (temporarily) but it looks like they have. If i can't find a new Epiphone in Central London then there must be something up.

They've made this transition from Korean mades to Chinese so I wasn't sure if it was something to do with this. I did try a Chinese Casino before I bought my Korean and I must say it sucked ass so I'm not eagerly awaiting their arrival but it's weird to not have them in guitar stores.
#9
Quote by adhuv
^ I'm not buying. I was just interested to know what was going on. The guy above who said that Gibson wouldn't do something as stupid as close a market (temporarily) but it looks like they have. If i can't find a new Epiphone in Central London then there must be something up.

They've made this transition from Korean mades to Chinese so I wasn't sure if it was something to do with this. I did try a Chinese Casino before I bought my Korean and I must say it sucked ass so I'm not eagerly awaiting their arrival but it's weird to not have them in guitar stores.

epiphone shut the korean plant in 2005 and moved all production to china, maybe you are looking at the wrong place if you find an offical gibson dealer they should stock epphones
#10
Quote by jamesbooz
Well my local guitar store had about 20 Different Gibson and Epiphone guitars and then about 3months later they were all gone and they said they dont think they are gettin any more of them in stock.

from what i've seen gibson have cut the number of offical dealers down, i got my epiphone from what i remeber as an official dealer but gibson no longer state them as an offical dealer, it sounds more like in your case your local stores supplier has stopped supplying them, probably they're supplier has gone broke.
#11
I don't think Gibson is cutting down on official dealer but It's possible Gibson did what they did with Gibson line of guitars and are telling retailers they have to order a certain amount of guitars they just can't afford to order. I just found out a couple weeks ago Gibson told one of my local music shops they had to order a set $$ amount or they could not order Gibsons also they told them they had to order a certain variety of guitars. They sell mostly LPs and SGs they sell a few Vs and Explores but none of the other Gibsons but they are told they have to order them. So a lot of dealers just can't afford the new Gibson ordering policy. If Gibson is setting the same policy for Epi it's just going to be harder to find Epis except in large shops that can place those large orders. IMO they are cutting their own throat.

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#12
Well, the only Gibson and Epiphone dealer around mine is GuitarGuitar, and when I was in yesterday they had plenty of Epiphones and Gibsons.
#13
My 2009 les paul standard states made in indonesia, plus epiphones are pretty widely available in the UK just look at Dv247.com they have hundreds.....a good majority ive played!!

There is one problem with distribution which is Gibbo are actually behind on their Quota so dont have many guitars atm to ship to stores and its the same with epiphone i believe
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#14
The problem is actually very simple. Gibson switched distributor a little over a year ago; this switch was done because apparently the previous EU distributor hadn't done a very good job of making sure target profits were met and similar problems. However the new distributor has gone over board and will only deal with three outlets in the UK. This means that only three places in the UK are able to get in new guitars from any Gibson line (Epiphone and Kramer included). Other stores can still sell whatever old stock they already had in, existing orers were filled and of course the second hand market is completely uneffected, but in terms of shops ordering in new Gibson/Epiphone/Kramers now, only three places can do it.

Unsurprisingly, Gibson haven't been too happy about this, though contracts ahve alreayd been signed, the T's crossed and the I's dotted. But you can bet your grandmother's liver that the second they can get out of it, Gibson will be running back to the old distributor.


So yeah, that's it.


It's okay. Between the second hand market, Vintage, Tokai and Fret King, the UK doesn't have anything to worry about.
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The problem is actually very simple. Gibson switched distributor a little over a year ago; this switch was done because apparently the previous EU distributor hadn't done a very good job of making sure target profits were met and similar problems. However the new distributor has gone over board and will only deal with three outlets in the UK. This means that only three places in the UK are able to get in new guitars from any Gibson line (Epiphone and Kramer included). Other stores can still sell whatever old stock they already had in, existing orers were filled and of course the second hand market is completely uneffected, but in terms of shops ordering in new Gibson/Epiphone/Kramers now, only three places can do it.

Unsurprisingly, Gibson haven't been too happy about this, though contracts ahve alreayd been signed, the T's crossed and the I's dotted. But you can bet your grandmother's liver that the second they can get out of it, Gibson will be running back to the old distributor.


So yeah, that's it.


It's okay. Between the second hand market, Vintage, Tokai and Fret King, the UK doesn't have anything to worry about.

http://www2.gibson.com/Support/Dealers/Europe/United-Kingdom.aspx
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#16
gibson has taken over the distribution of the uk market from the previous import/distributor (rosetti), to attempt to cut out the middle man and look after it`s affairs better, there was nothing wrong with the way rosetti handled the distribution of gibson guitars, only gibson have fallen flat on their face in this case, probably due to the mismanagement of the current CEO/president.

and most large outlets will stock gibson an epiphone in the uk

i`ve heard lots of stories in from friends who work/ manage/own small retail outlets that gibson are using bully tactics or forcing shops not to carry products from other manufacturers if they want to become a gibson retailer and have in some cases (hearsay) actually forced shops to close by means of the method above driving customers away due to no variety being offered by the retailer.
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#17
Quote by MrFlibble
The problem is actually very simple. Gibson switched distributor a little over a year ago; this switch was done because apparently the previous EU distributor hadn't done a very good job of making sure target profits were met and similar problems. However the new distributor has gone over board and will only deal with three outlets in the UK. This means that only three places in the UK are able to get in new guitars from any Gibson line (Epiphone and Kramer included). Other stores can still sell whatever old stock they already had in, existing orers were filled and of course the second hand market is completely uneffected, but in terms of shops ordering in new Gibson/Epiphone/Kramers now, only three places can do it.

Unsurprisingly, Gibson haven't been too happy about this, though contracts ahve alreayd been signed, the T's crossed and the I's dotted. But you can bet your grandmother's liver that the second they can get out of it, Gibson will be running back to the old distributor.


So yeah, that's it.


It's okay. Between the second hand market, Vintage, Tokai and Fret King, the UK doesn't have anything to worry about.



Kramers can still be gotten through smaller independant dealers. Not many around right now, but the new lines are supposed to be out in early November.
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#18
Huh. Yeah, there 's a few more now. Eh well. Last I was aware of it it wa sonly three, certainly for the best part of the year it has been only three outlets that could get them. Guess they've finally gotten around to opening up distribution again in the last few months then.

In which case, I don't see why anyone should be having trouble getting hold of Epis.
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#19
Went to a larger guitar store in B'ham today (PMT) and they had 09 Epiphones so I suppose it is just the smaller retailers who are struggling to get them in, concurrent with some of the news shared above. I don't suppose this will last too long though, it is completely unnecessary. Denmark St shall continue to suffer.
#20
Quote by MrFlibble
Huh. Yeah, there 's a few more now. Eh well. Last I was aware of it it wa sonly three, certainly for the best part of the year it has been only three outlets that could get them. Guess they've finally gotten around to opening up distribution again in the last few months then.

In which case, I don't see why anyone should be having trouble getting hold of Epis.

i don't think it ever was the case that there was only 3 and what you said conflicts with what my local shops who used to stock gibson have told me, which is that gibson took over the distribution themselves and insisted that every shop that stocks them has 40% of the display space being their products and associated brands, which for smaller shops is quite literally 40% of their stock because they tend not to have a huge storage facility, if anything at all.
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#21
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Well, I got my info from the guys at Vintage & Rare, who are the biggest dealer of (as their name suggest) vintage & rare guitars in the country, including many Gibsons both old and new. I checked on Epi at a second local store too and they confirmed the same thing.

However I grant you that was some months ago so the conditions could have well changed since then.
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#22
Apparently alot of places I know have stopped stocking Gibson cause they're too expensive to order in, but then again they are small stores and you would need quite a biggish store that bring in alot of money to have Gibson. But even though I'm not a massive fan of Gibson anymore, I would like to see them more in shops since I havent played a brand new one for about 4 years.
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