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ok, so today in my writing class we read this article on how the media influences women in all. Then afterward we discussed it. blah, blah, blah the usual......

Then during our discussion, some kid brought up something about feminism, then in response our teacher said "Feminism isn't bad, its not only for women. Men can be feminists if they want to..." nearly every guy in the class became confused at that point.

Apparently the actual definition of feminism is that "All men and women of all races are equal." so I guess when you think about it like that, yes men can be feminists.

what does the pit think of this?

I personally think that if they had a different word for it other than feminism, more people would be inclined to join.
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I personally think that if they had a different word for it other than feminism, more people would be inclined to join.


I personally think if people didn't automatically judge and mischaracterise movements by their names then people would be more inclined to join. And I am a man and a feminist.

Edit: The reason it's called 'feminism' is because women are still the sex that is discriminated against most in our society.
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ok, so today in my writing class we read this article on how the media influences women in all. Then afterward we discussed it. blah, blah, blah the usual......

Then during our discussion, some kid brought up something about feminism, then in response our teacher said "Feminism isn't bad, its not only for women. Men can be feminists if they want to..." nearly every guy in the class became confused at that point.

Apparently the actual definition of feminism is that "All men and women of all races are equal." so I guess when you think about it like that, yes men can be feminists.

what does the pit think of this?

I personally think that if they had a different word for it other than feminism, more people would be inclined to join.


They do. It's called egalitarianism. Although egalitarianism is accepting of all people, not just women. And it's a political doctrine (in this sense, the philosophy is different) than a political discourse, like feminism.
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I don't care. I have no intrest in being equal to joe shmo or jane doe.

and yes the word "feminism" is a bit feminin.
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oh damn i better not link there.

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They do. It's called egalitarianism. Although egalitarianism is accepting of all people, not just women.


interesting. No one brought this up in class though
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They do. It's called egalitarianism. Although egalitarianism is accepting of all people, not just women. And it's a political doctrine (in this sense, the philosophy is different) than a political discourse, like feminism.

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thats actually pretty funny, yet pretty accurate in some cases.

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We've fallen so far since those days.
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Men cannot be feminists, if they realize they support the feminist movement their **** will immediately fall off, and they will grow breasts.
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Men cannot be feminists, if they realize they support the feminist movement their **** will immediately fall off, and they will grow breasts.


You best be trollin.
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I thought it was pretty obvious, how could they possibly not be a feminist?
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Change it to "disprove false sexual assault claims" and I'm on board. If there's one thing I hate about the U.S. legal system, it's how biased sexual assault charges are towards women.
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Then during our discussion, some kid brought up something about feminism, then in response our teacher said "Feminism isn't bad, its not only for women. Men can be feminists if they want to..." nearly every guy in the class became confused at that point.

Apparently the actual definition of feminism is that "All men and women of all races are equal." so I guess when you think about it like that, yes men can be feminists.


You've presented this as though it's new information. I though this was commonly known now-a-days. I've been a feminist for years, not an outright, die hard feminist. I just support gender equality, and all equality now I think about it actually.
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You've presented this as though it's new information. I though this was commonly known now-a-days. I've been a feminist for years, not an outright, die hard feminist. I just support gender equality, and all equality now I think about it actually.


well its just something I never knew, or really cared to know for that matter.
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I think if you didn't realize that beforehand, you need to get out more.
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Apparently the actual definition of feminism is that "All men and women of all races are equal." so I guess when you think about it like that, yes men can be feminists.
This is where I think the established definition goes against the reality of many people who call themselves feminists.

The focus isn't so much on equality, but more the advancement of women.
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I'm a feminist, and have been for a while now. Although I haven't read any of the theory, but I read feminist blogs all the time.
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Modern-day feminism is stupid. Admittedly, women are paid less in the workplace, but the feminists nowadays don't even address that.
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This is where I think the established definition goes against the reality of many people who call themselves feminists.

The focus isn't so much on equality, but more the advancement of women.

Well, I think the advancement of women is inherent to the process of making men and women equal, on account of society having been dominated by males for all of history. Women can't stay at a social status below that of men and be called equal, because that's not equal.
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Well, I think the advancement of women is inherent to the process of making men and women equal, on account of society having been dominated by males for all of history. Women can't stay at a social status below that of men and be called equal, because that's not equal.


The modern-day feminist organizations focus more on false sexual assault claims by women and how chauvinist men are for holding open the door, rather than actual equality.
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Modern-day feminism is stupid. Admittedly, women are paid less in the workplace, but the feminists nowadays don't even address that.


Yes they do, just not as often as they used to.

Before you make big claims like that, try to back them up, a'ight?
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When they're homosexual, sure!

Don't have anything against serious feminists but there are just so many hilariously stupid redneck women claiming to be feminists that give the serious ones a bad name.
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The modern-day feminist organizations focus more on false sexual assault claims by women and how chauvinist men are for holding open the door, rather than actual equality.


Is this based on actual fact or just bias drilled into you by the media?
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Feminism is a vitally important movement that attempts to understand women's place in society and tackle its problems. If you think men and women have equal standing today i'd have to call you laughably simple, and yet still some men seem to think that women are in fact BETTER off than men. This is such an offensive view of the world it's hard to credit it.

We can all be and should be feminists. And none of this wishy wasy 'equality' ****e. Yes, the aim is equality but simply making a law whereby both have to be paid the same is not equality. Talking about 'equal opportunities' is just ideological trickery. I'm a feminist. I'm more feminist than a lot of women i'm friends with.
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Is this based on actual fact or just bias drilled into you by the media?


Have you ever actually been to a feminist organization meeting, or are you just talking out of your ass?
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#38
Men and women are very different and that is a scientific fact.


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The modern-day feminist organizations focus more on false sexual assault claims by women and how chauvinist men are for holding open the door, rather than actual equality.

Pray tell, how much experience do you have with feminists?

Feminism is a vitally important movement that attempts to understand women's place in society and tackle its problems. If you think men and women have equal standing today i'd have to call you laughably simple, and yet still some men seem to think that women are in fact BETTER off than women. This is such an offensive view of the world it's hard to credit it.

We can all be and should be feminists. And none of this wishy wasy 'equality' ****e. Yes, the aim is equality but simply making a law whereby both have to be paid the same is not equality and giving everyone 'equal opportunities' is just ideological trickery. I'm a feminist. I'm more feminist than a lot of women i'm friends with.

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Have you ever actually been to a feminist organization meeting, or are you just talking out of your ass?


Have you?

While it's true that feminists focus on rape these days, it's mainly because of the fact that the conviction rate for rape and sexual assault is ridiculously low. You can rape someone and most likely get away with it. Is that just?
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