Poll: In the Pit's opinion, is it real?
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View poll results: In the Pit's opinion, is it real?
It is
30 46%
it isn't
7 11%
I don't really give a rat's ass
7 11%
Technically it is real, but it is gay.
21 32%
Voters: 65.
#1
Ok so I was having a conversation on msn messenger with my friend who happens to be one of those anime nerds that is obsessed with everything from Japan, yadda yadda. So we were talking about good music, i have in the past showed him anything from Behemoth to softer Rock bands, but he insists that 'Vocaloid' is much better than all of that, and that is his opinion. We argued over this because from what he says, vocaloid is 99% computer generated. I told him that in my opinion, all music is made with real instruments. This is what he showed me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxTTOaszH6c

ok, to explain vocaloid: It is a type of music that is computer generated, and all the instruments you hear are like little bits and peices that are used, like ones that are used in music programs like 'garageband'. He said that the vocals are real, but if you listen closely, you'd probably hear that it has been poorly put together in pieces.

tl;dr: After following the link and hearing the "song", do you agree with my friend and say that this is real music?
#2
That's like saying techno isn't real.


If you can hear it, it's real.


Unless you just had some crazy acid trip and that story never actually happened?
#4
Music is something that is composed of notes... err... I don't know if those are notes or not, but they probably are.
#5
vocaloid is voice synthesizing software, your post makes absolutely no sense
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#6
It's still music, regardless of whether or not real instruments were used.
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#7
It is harder to make any kind of sounds that can be considered Western music with a blank computer screen than it is with, say, a guitar. Not that the guitar is any less difficult, but at least you know what you're working with.

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vocaloid is voice synthesizing software, your post makes absolutely no sense


Vocaloid=Vocoder?

That was my first thought, but I don't know anything about "Vocaloid."
Last edited by thewho65 at Oct 6, 2009,
#8
Quote by ep1kz
vocaloid is voice synthesizing software, your post makes absolutely no sense

I'm just telling you guys what he said, i really don't know everything about it
#10
vocaloid is a vst (virtual instrument). its a program you use to synthesize voice. afaik it is not a vocoder, it just creates the voice. think of it as a computer singing.

and yes, it is music. anyone that says otherwise is simply an unintelligent person.
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#11
Sort of catchy...

But the vocals... I just don't even know. The guy (or girl?) can sing, but it just sounds terrible.

Some of the weirdest crap I've ever listened to.
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#12
It's a voice synthesizer.


What the hell are you asking?
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#13
Music is just sound that happens to appeal to a person. There's no set definition of what can and can't be music. When you play back stuff written in Guitar Pro, is that not music? When you send a signal through an effects pedal, is the resulting sound not music? What difference does it make how it's made? If anything, expanding the range of "instruments" is great for music, especially with computers, as it opens up realms of possibility that just aren't there with anything else, and IMO, exploration of new means of making music is necessary if anyone wants to keep music from becoming stagnant.

TS, you're just being an elitist moron, so get your head out of your ass.
#15
Yo, im the guy who he was arguing with ¬_¬
Well some more of the vocaloid music is:
Miku Miku Ni ****e Ageru- Miku Hatsune
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_RAVXte6NI&feature=related
Meltdown- Rin Kagamine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ox5-fEH4Ww
Dark Wood Circus- Vocaloid Family
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU6PL0LH4_Y
Alice Of Human Sacrifice- Vocaloid Family
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6MltGHO-lE&feature=related
Trick And Treat- Rin/ Len Kagamie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb6fSiMBbv4&feature=related
Last edited by kyubi500 at Oct 6, 2009,
#16
But still, at some point, there's a person sitting in front of a computer screen going "I want it to sound like this." They're still a musician. The computer is just the instrument.

Now if you told me someone pushed a button and a computer made this without any human input, then I'd be concerned.
#17
>.<

i agree with kyubi....and all of u guys who said i wuz music
cuz vocaloid is music. and if u said this isn't music, then u need brain surgery.
and some of the songs are REALLY good. LOOK at the subs...and figure out the meaning. like the daughter of evil series:

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q46Osg9C4pA&feature=related

2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo7z60aJqNA&feature=related

3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3XqQ1hTPTU&feature=related

4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNWAIJk2pEE&feature=related

vocoloid is simply a voice synthesizing software. you input the music and the lyrics, and the program will sing it. There are a few different series, and each has a name and a different voice like hatsune miku and kagamine len and kagamine rin. It was developed by yamaha in japan and is simply just amazing.
#23
Let's create a compromise here: you are both flaming homosexuals. Now kiss and make up.

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#26
Pick your words wisely, TS, I have trashcan lids
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God damn, every time you post that, I am horrified and mesmerized at the same time

My reaction is always more along the lines of "omg Levi, not again, put some damn clothes on"
#29
Quote by Z_cup_boy
anything that makes a sound is music.


Is flatulence music?

I didn't listen to the link but I don't consider computerized music with hman vocals music.
#30
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Is flatulence music?

I didn't listen to the link but I don't consider computerized music with hman vocals music.


1. Yes.
2. Explain.
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#31
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Is flatulence music?

I didn't listen to the link but I don't consider computerized music with hman vocals music.


if cleverly composed yes.
and music is simply music the means of its creation doesnt have any effect on its form.
#32
Well, I guess so.

And, okay; maybe it could be if it consists of actual notes and not just noise. But not all sound is music.
#33
Quote by Sickhick
Well, I guess so.

And, okay; maybe it could be if it consists of actual notes and not just noise. But not all sound is music.


no but any intelligently arranged sound is
#34
Music is arranged/organized sound. Does Vocaloid sound organized and catchy? Then it's music.

/thread.
#35
Quote by stephen_rettie
no but any intelligently arranged sound is

Yes, intelligently arranged. Still, I think it seems better to play something on instruments if you can; computerizing sort of takes the musicianship out of it, but not necessarily the composition.
#36
Quote by Sickhick
Yes, intelligently arranged. Still, I think it seems better to play something on instruments if you can; computerizing sort of takes the musicianship out of it, but not necessarily the composition.


i cannot play the trombone. however i can write a piece of music with a trombone and with the correct VST for a keyboard insert it in a song.
computerizing (lol) is a good thing.
#37
Those vocals cannot be unheard.

thank you TS.
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#40
It's music. Bad music, but music.
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