#1
Hi there guys,

Me and some friends came up with an idea to start up a record label here (Rock and all her children born from incestious affairs) as there's practically no label here that actively helps musicians to get their stuff out there, and i have a crew of people with lots of connections to help bands get their stuff out there. However, i've never actually recorded an album myself yet with my band (We were really close to, until i became a primadonna for a year or so).

Anyway, i wanted to ask how many studio hours does it take to record an album on a budget (Assuming they don't start writing and rehearsing songs in the studio which costs alot of $$ and can't be afforded by us or the musicians at the moment). As i said, this is all still very hypothetical and i'm doing research on whether or not this would be a profitable and/or practical undertaking. We're all very eager and feel passionately about the good cause, but it can't work if we can't fund ourselves properly.
#2
before starting a business, gather experience in the field you want to start a business in.
by which I mean try getting first hand experience with people who are successful.
#3
Talk to studios and ask them what their experience has been.

Also, maybe think of a shorter name, or a quick way of saying the one you've got.
#4
It wont work. You need monies to start a proper label. If you don't even know how much it costs to record then i'd say don't even think about it yet.
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before starting a business, gather experience in the field you want to start a business in.
by which I mean try getting first hand experience with people who are successful.

That's arranged. I just need to set up some hypothetical figures for myself to see if the idea has any potential at all. Mind you, I'm friends with a band who makes a lavish living from touring and records, but they don't really fit into my vision, as what i'm about to do is a bit more 'underground'. Their figures aren't relevant to my current initial calculation.
Last edited by zwound at Oct 7, 2009,
#8
Quote by zwound
That's arranged. I just need to set up some hypothetical figures for myself to see if the idea has any potential at all. Mind you, I'm friends with a band who makes a lavish living from touring and records, but they don't really fit into my vision, as what i'm about to do is a bit more 'underground'

underground =! profit. you're not gonna make big bucks with underground bands.
#9
Quote by maggot9779
It wont work. You need monies to start a proper label. If you don't even know how much it costs to record then i'd say don't even think about it yet.


Agreed. Any serious indie labels needs backing from investors.

Generally, labels have relatively little to do with the actual recording of an album- it's more a case of you have a couple of studios you know are acceptable, and give the bands the money to record there.
#10
Quote by CoreysMonster
underground =! profit. you're not gonna make big bucks with underground bands.

It's not how it seems. I want to get underground bands 'out there', by using strings such as knowing big venue owners/arrangers, popular radio DJs and other.

Basically, don't try to argue, i know what i'm doing. I just need a rough number of studio hours it takes to record a standard song.
#11
Quote by zwound
It's not how it seems. I want to get underground bands 'out there', by using strings such as knowing big venue owners/arrangers, popular radio DJs and other.

Basically, don't try to argue, i know what i'm doing. I just need a rough number of studio hours it takes to record a standard song.


Are we including pre-production and mastering in this?
#12
Quote by maggot9779
Are we including pre-production and mastering in this?

Probably, yes.
#14
Well....for one song you'd probably be looking at around 10-15 hours I guess. That's if you do it properly.
#15
Quote by maggot9779
Well....for one song you'd probably be looking at around 10-15 hours I guess. That's if you do it properly.

Holy crap.

That's a lot more than i expected >.>

Do small bands even profit from their CDs or do they just do it for their own contention or something? I mean seriously, i've heard people getting their first (And alright sounding) records done for 800-1500 usd. That's impossible, if the hypothetical album has hypothetical 10 songs, which hypothetically take 13 hours each to record at a rate of 25$ per hour...

10x13x25 = 3250$
Last edited by zwound at Oct 7, 2009,
#16
Quote by zwound
It's not how it seems. I want to get underground bands 'out there', by using strings such as knowing big venue owners/arrangers, popular radio DJs and other.


Then why not just start off as a promotions company? Once you start building up a cash flow, then move into the financial side of bands and recording.
#17
Quote by zwound
Holy crap.

That's a lot more than i expected >.>


Well, in my old band, we recorded a 3 song EP. We had 10 hours to do it all but we went over by 1 hour. But we didn't have time to mix it properly and it wasn't mastered.
#18
Do small bands even profit from their CDs or do they just do it for their own contention or something? I mean seriously, i've heard people getting their first (And alright sounding) records done for 800-1500 usd. That's impossible, if the hypothetical album has hypothetical 10 songs, which hypothetically take 13 hours each to record at a rate of 25$ per hour...

10x13x25 = 3250$
#19
Quote by zwound
Do small bands even profit from their CDs or do they just do it for their own contention or something? I mean seriously, i've heard people getting their first (And alright sounding) records done for 800-1500 usd. That's impossible, if the hypothetical album has hypothetical 10 songs, which hypothetically take 13 hours each to record at a rate of 25$ per hour...

10x13x25 = 3250$


In my contract, I get 25% off each album sale until the advance is paid off, and then 50%. I can profit, but I'll have to sell a fair few units. Extensive touring will help offset that.
#20
Quote by zwound
Holy crap.

That's a lot more than i expected >.>

Do small bands even profit from their CDs or do they just do it for their own contention or something? I mean seriously, i've heard people getting their first (And alright sounding) records done for 800-1500 usd. That's impossible, if the hypothetical album has hypothetical 10 songs, which hypothetically take 13 hours each to record at a rate of 25$ per hour...

10x13x25 = 3250$


If you want a good recording, you won't be paying 25 an hour, that's usually just the engineer's fee, then you have actual studio fees. You're getting closer to 50-75 an hour for recording. It won't take more than 10 hours if you don't suck, if you're well rehearsed, you could nail out tracking in...2 hours, take another 2-3 for overdubbs, then you just have to get it mastered.
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#21
Quote by zwound
Do small bands even profit from their CDs or do they just do it for their own contention or something? I mean seriously, i've heard people getting their first (And alright sounding) records done for 800-1500 usd. That's impossible, if the hypothetical album has hypothetical 10 songs, which hypothetically take 13 hours each to record at a rate of 25$ per hour...

10x13x25 = 3250$

usually you find people who have recording equipment and are looking for experience and exposure. I recorded the songs on my band's profile with 60$ recording equipment (see sig)
#22
Quote by zwound
Do small bands even profit from their CDs or do they just do it for their own contention or something? I mean seriously, i've heard people getting their first (And alright sounding) records done for 800-1500 usd. That's impossible, if the hypothetical album has hypothetical 10 songs, which hypothetically take 13 hours each to record at a rate of 25$ per hour...

10x13x25 = 3250$


You can. But you really need to get around. Bands that i've played with brought a box full of cds to sell. But they usually have some left over. You can get blank CDs pretty cheap nowadays and printing isn't so bad.

T-shirts are a great way to make money too aslong as they look good.
#23

Damn, I imagined this was easier. 25-50$ for an hour is the usual fee here for studios. This would probably be totally doable, if I had my own studio, however i don't. When my band wanted to record, we had the opportunity of using my friend's band's private (Good) studio for free and for as long as we liked. So hence my lack of knowledge in this field.
#24
Quote by zwound

Damn, I imagined this was easier. 25-50$ for an hour is the usual fee here for studios. This would probably be totally doable, if I had my own studio, however i don't. When my band wanted to record, we had the opportunity of using my friend's band's private (Good) studio for free and for as long as we liked. So hence my lack of knowledge in this field.


I did the same with my other band. We recorded the whole thing at some guys place for free. The drums sounded really good but the rest was meh. If I had the chance I would have recorded guitars and some other guys place that I know. He charges £20 per track and has some great equipment.

We also played with his band (Adust) so it would have been cool.
#25
Haha. I think i'm gonna drop the idea of the label for now and pursue some other business. I'm gonna keep a studio build in mind though, as it would be profitable, if it was a decent one, and it would make having a label a snap.