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So me and my dad got in a fight over guitar players.
he told jimmy page had the best solos ever, don't get me wrong i love jimmy and he is great guitar player.
and i'm like, well i really like Mohamed(or whatever his name is) from necrophagist his solos are pretty awesome.
Then my dad said that jimmy page was better, i replied well necrophagist is obviously more technical then led zeppelin, but i like both bands. He refuses to let it go, he continues to tell me jimmy page is way better, i end it with the fact he doesn't play guitar doesn't know anything about the instrument and is just being hard headed.
and i'm the asshole?

dose anyone have to talk to someone about music on the daily that is totally ignorant and hard headed?
what do you do
#3
You're wrong TS.
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So me and my dad got in a fight over guitar players.
he told jimmy page had the best solos ever, don't get me wrong i love jimmy and he is great guitar player.
and i'm like, well i really like Mohamed(or whatever his name is) from necrophagist his solos are pretty awesome.
Then my dad said that jimmy page was better, i replied well necrophagist is obviously more technical then led zeppelin, but i like both bands. He refuses to let it go, he continues to tell me jimmy page is way better, i end it with the fact he doesn't play guitar doesn't know anything about the instrument and is just being hard headed.
and i'm the asshole?

dose anyone have to talk to someone about music on the daily that is totally ignorant and hard headed?
what do you do


Just because he doesn't play the instrument doesn't mean he doesn't know anything. Get over your "I play guitar, so I obviously know better" attitude. My old man doesn't play an instrument, yet can tell you the ins and outs of jazz like nobody's business.

And since when has technicality ever meant anyone was better? Chops aren't the only thing in music. If something sounds better than something else, I'll prefer that, even if it's less technical.

So yes, you are the asshole here.
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#10
Jimmy Page is still being talked about. Led Zeppelin is timeless and will be played forever. In 50 years do really think people are gonna be talking about this Mohamed guy and Necrophagist? I highly doubt it.
#11
Don't get me wrong Jimmy Page is a good guitarist, but he's pretty damn sloppy...


example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bc9m7nbMC4
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Just because he doesn't play the instrument doesn't mean he doesn't know anything. Get over your "I play guitar, so I obviously know better" attitude. My old man doesn't play an instrument, yet can tell you the ins and outs of jazz like nobody's business.

And since when has technicality ever meant anyone was better? Chops aren't the only thing in music. If something sounds better than something else, I'll prefer that, even if it's less technical.

So yes, you are the asshole here.


i only said that after like 10 minutes of him going "jimmy page is better" while i'm just trying to avoid the conversation.
the end of the conversation was just me raging
#13
We Led Zep fans try to selectively forget the years when Jimmy was high out of his mind and could barely play.
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#16
Your dad was right
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Jimmy Page is still being talked about. Led Zeppelin is timeless and will be played forever. In 50 years do really think people are gonna be talking about this Mohamed guy and Necrophagist? I highly doubt it.

I thnk they will.
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Jimmy Page is still being talked about. Led Zeppelin is timeless and will be played forever. In 50 years do really think people are gonna be talking about this Mohamed guy and Necrophagist? I highly doubt it.

That's quite obvious, as Led Zeppelin is rather extremely more "mainstream", when compared to most metal bands. Doubly so when it comes to extreme metal, as that is still a fairly niche area of genres when compared to rock.

In any case, it's just a pissing contest of preference. You were quite obviously the asshole, TS, as "best solos" can only be subjectively defined, not based on the skill of the individual guitarist.
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#20
Necrophagist is faster. Led Zeppelin is more melodic(to most ears, any way).
It's up to you which one you prefer, you can't call some one ignorant for liking a particular style of music. Just hear his opinion and let it be, you're better off having a discussion rather than an argument.
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Jimmy Page is still being talked about. Led Zeppelin is timeless and will be played forever. In 50 years do really think people are gonna be talking about this Mohamed guy and Necrophagist? I highly doubt it.


I don't know or do i care if people talk about him. I think he is amazing, if i'm still alive in 50 years i'm sure ill talk about them.
But the point of this wasn't to poke fun at my dad or claim anyone is better.
I just want to figure out a way to disarm him without choking down my pride and just agreeing with him
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...without choking down my pride and just agreeing with him


Oh come on, that will prepare you for having a girlfriend.
#24
jimmy page changed guitar playing, that other guy may be good but has he done anything to set himself apart? i thought not
#25
This Mohamed guy is a technical fast guitar player in an extreme metal band. Aaaannnnddd?? Those guys are a dime a dozen. Anyone can play fast, hell, even I can play fast. The difference is they aren't doing anything special. Jimmy was special.
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jimmy page changed guitar playing, that other guy may be good but has he done anything to set himself apart? i thought not



Please, Les Paul was doing that **** before Jimmy Page was potty trained...


edit: And Les Paul pulled it off clean...
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#28
This Mohammed guy doesn't even have a face. What's he got on Jimmy?
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#29
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This Mohammed guy doesn't even have a face. What's got on Jimmy?


pardon?
#30
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This Mohammed guy doesn't even have a face. What's he got on Jimmy?


sigh...since most people are missing the point I'll join in on it.
Honestly i think mohammed is better, i doubt jimmy page can play technical death metal. then again i seriously doubt necrophagist could make a led zeppelin song sound as good as they did it.
but guitar wise i think mohammed has a few more tricks than jimmy page.
IMO LOL
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This Mohamed guy is a technical fast guitar player in an extreme metal band. Aaaannnnddd?? Those guys are a dime a dozen. Anyone can play fast, hell, even I can play fast. The difference is they aren't doing anything special. Jimmy was special.


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IMO they're dickheads for trying to argue something which is essentially apples and oranges.

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#34
Here's something you might want to take into consideration: They both suck.
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#35
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Here's something you might want to take into consideration: They both suck.


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Says the guy with the Lily Allen avi.

I've never claimed she made the greatest guitar solos
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#37
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You think extreme metal is special? You poor child.


Yes I do, and why does that make me a poor child? You have your music taste and I have mine..
I just had to laugh at your ignorance you stupid ****ing bigot.. You obviously know nothing about any other musical genre that you don't listen to.. and yes, I'm sure you can play SO fast, making it easy to nail down Necrophagist solos flawlessly, but you choose not to because you listen to Led Zeppelin... and yes, I'm sure a lot of people can play as fast as you, but classic rock prevents them from pwning actual shredders..
According to your logic, anyone that knows a pentatonic scale just rose up to the levels of Jimmy Page and deserves all the praise he got, they just need to make stupid faces while bending, abuse the **** out of the pentatonic scale and pour a little bit of "special" classic rock magic dust and they're ready.

Plus if you guys listened to their solos you'd find that they're melodic as hell...
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Yes I do, and why does that make me a poor child? You have your music taste and I have mine..
I just had to laugh at your ignorance you stupid ****ing bigot.. You obviously know nothing about any other musical genre that you don't listen to.. and yes, I'm sure you can play SO fast, making it easy to nail down Necrophagist solos flawlessly, but you choose not to because you listen to Led Zeppelin... and yes, I'm sure a lot of people can play as fast as you, but classic rock prevents them from pwning actual shredders..
According to your logic, anyone that knows a pentatonic scale just rose up to the levels of Jimmy Page and deserves all the praise he got, they just need to make stupid faces while bending, abuse the **** out of the pentatonic scale and pour a little bit of "special" classic rock magic dust and they're ready.

Plus if you guys listened to their solos you'd find that they're melodic as hell...


lawl, i think there is alot to this "classic rock magic", i wish i had it
i was just talking to my dad and he made it into this big fight. i didn't say one band had the best solos i said i like their solos the most.
i was just wondering if anyone goes through the same thing and what they do
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Muhammed has wrote what about 80% of the metal forum agree to be the best death metal solo ever - Fermented Offal Discharge, Advanced Corpse Tumor and Epitaph, and is Objectively the better guitarist. By MILES.

Subjectively I Prefer Muhammed because his solos sound more interesting to MY ears.

Also, he will probably be remembered in 50 years as the amazing guitarist who wrote the death metal chinese democracy. Bloody hell, every year he says it will be out next year!

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