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#1
Im looking to play songs from bands like Cannibal Corpse,Cradle of filth,The Black Dahlia Murder,Behemoth...(mainly Cannibal Corpse) Ive been looking at the Jackson JS30 RR...The reviews on it are good...i just need to know if the guitar has a real grunt to it
#2
its a randy rhoads guitar... doubt it has a hectic death metal grunt. Look at something with active pickups and probably a good floyd rose to keep ur low tunings in check
#3
I dunno about anyone else, but I find the entire jackson JS range to be SHOKCINGLY bad. Spesh the Rhoads V, has zero balance when stood up.

As has been said: look for something with active pickups, and a mahogany body (better for lows, if I remember correctly)
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#5
Amp?
What you want are active pickups, a mahogany body, and a really high gain amp.
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Quote by Anonden
You CAN play anything with anything....but some guitars sound right for some things, and not for others. Single coils sound retarded for metal, though those who are apeshit about harpsichord probably beg to differ.
#6
Quote by oneblackened
Amp?
What you want are active pickups, a mahogany body, and a really high gain amp.



You dont need actives.

The Black Dahlia Murder plays with passive Duncans.

A mahogany body however, is a plus.

But your priority is a good amp.

Whats your budget?

As for a guitar, with a good amp you can make any guitar sound great.
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#8
Quote by Sunshine420
ok....what guitar would you recommend??


What's your budget


Quote by Mitochondria9
You dont need actives.

The Black Dahlia Murder plays with passive Duncans.

A mahogany body however, is a plus.

But your priority is a good amp.

Whats your budget?

As for a guitar, with a good amp you can make any guitar sound great.


A great amp will make any pickups sound BETTER, though no matter what amp you get, you'll never get an SSS strat to be good at death metal.

Although I agree: you don't NEED active pickups.
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#9
well i was thinking of getting not so amazing guitar to start with so...price range of....200-300 Pounds
#10
Quote by pigeonmafia
What's your budget


A great amp will make any pickups sound BETTER, though no matter what amp you get, you'll never get an SSS strat to be good at death metal.

Although I agree: you don't NEED active pickups.



My point was that an $1100 Wil Adler sig is still going to sound like crap through a cheap amp.

But yea.
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#11
Quote by Sunshine420
well i was thinking of getting not so amazing guitar to start with so...price range of....200-300 Pounds



Whats your total budget?

What amp do you have? What amp were you planning on getting if you dont have one?
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#12
ive got a Marshall Amp....i cant remember the number or model....but its pretty big
#13
Quote by Sunshine420
ive got a Marshall Amp....i cant remember the number or model....but its pretty big



Is it an MG, is it a solid state or tube? If its a tube Marshall then youre probably in pretty good shape amp-wise, or even if its a high end MG.
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#14
I Cant actually remember...and i cant look at it because its at my friends house....but i believe its a MG 150 FX
#15
Quote by Sunshine420
I Cant actually remember...and i cant look at it because its at my friends house....but i believe its a MG 150 FX


I dont think thats it, unless you have the 15w MG, because thats all that came up when I searched.

Im not familiar with MGs except that the low end ones are crappy.
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#17
No no no, believe me, the amp is far more important than the guitar.
I mean, my tone got so ridiculously better when I moved up from a Fender Frontman to a Marshall Valvestate, and again from the Valvestate to a Peavey Vypyr.
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Quote by Anonden
You CAN play anything with anything....but some guitars sound right for some things, and not for others. Single coils sound retarded for metal, though those who are apeshit about harpsichord probably beg to differ.
#18
Crate GX-130c solid state, Same amp they used during the bleeding, Can find the heads used for about $150US. No pedals needed Its a killer amp. as for guitar any will do with 2 humbuckers, You just got to find the one that fits ya, I dont listin to a lot of Cannible corpse since Chris Barns left the band but they were using 7 strings after the bleeding album I would look into that.
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#19
I have a js30ke which has more wood than the rr and it does not work for death metal(black dahlia murder is not) tho it does have a bassy sound, alder is best for a heavy guitar sound mohogany is okay and probably has the brightest sound but is not a light wood. for ur budget id recommend: dkmg, AXL mayhem series,ESP 100 and 200 series, pick ur favourite shape, but i would recommend u get a hard tailed guitar u can switch tunings whenever, easier to adjust action, and will give u a better tone
#20
Quote by dunkintate
I have a js30ke which has more wood than the rr and it does not work for death metal(black dahlia murder is not) tho it does have a bassy sound, alder is best for a heavy guitar sound mohogany is okay and probably has the brightest sound but is not a light wood. for ur budget id recommend: dkmg, AXL mayhem series,ESP 100 and 200 series, pick ur favourite shape, but i would recommend u get a hard tailed guitar u can switch tunings whenever, easier to adjust action, and will give u a better tone



I disagree, considering they call themselves that, but whatever, Im not here to hijack this kid's thread.

The ESP MH-100 and Viper-100 are good guitars, also the Ibanez RG2 is a good choice, or a used RG3.
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#21
dont feel like u NEED active pickups, emgs are a terrible deal if u buy them get diactivators, or blackouts if u absolutely need to, but wait and see if ur ok with the stocks
#22
Quote by dunkintate
dont feel like u NEED active pickups, emgs are a terrible deal if u buy them get diactivators, or blackouts if u absolutely need to, but wait and see if ur ok with the stocks



D-Activators are not active pickups. Theyre high output passives.

I dont recommend active pickups either, theyre very specialized and not versatile at all.
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#23
Quote by pigeonmafia
I dunno about anyone else, but I find the entire jackson JS range to be SHOKCINGLY bad. Spesh the Rhoads V, has zero balance when stood up.

As has been said: look for something with active pickups, and a mahogany body (better for lows, if I remember correctly)

I actully have a JS Kelly, its and its GREAT, i have tried another JS kelly, and it was pretty bad, but mine is fantastic, just find one thats good, its a dimond in a sea of turds kinda deal.
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#24
Quote by dunkintate
I have a js30ke which has more wood than the rr and it does not work for death metal(black dahlia murder is not) tho it does have a bassy sound, alder is best for a heavy guitar sound mohogany is okay and probably has the brightest sound but is not a light wood. for ur budget id recommend: dkmg, AXL mayhem series,ESP 100 and 200 series, pick ur favourite shape, but i would recommend u get a hard tailed guitar u can switch tunings whenever, easier to adjust action, and will give u a better tone


first of all that is just personal preference on which wood is best for metal, and mahogany the brightest ? are you kidding me ? its a denser wood which creates a warmer sounds compare to alder which is bright, get your facts straight.

To TS your budget in USD is around 450 ? i suggest you go look used you get more bang for your buck, and at this point if you are just starting out, any guitar with a bridge humbucker and feels good in your hand should suffice, especially since you just mention you are playing through a marshall MG.
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#25
Quote by whoswt
first of all that is just personal preference on which wood is best for metal, and mahogany the brightest ? are you kidding me ? its a denser wood which creates a warmer sounds compare to alder which is bright, get your facts straight.

To TS your budget in USD is around 450 ? i suggest you go look used you get more bang for your buck, and at this point if you are just starting out, any guitar with a bridge humbucker and feels good in your hand should suffice, especially since you just mention you are playing through a marshall MG.



my friends mohogany hard tailed(tunepros) gison explorer with active emgs is not as heavy as my alder dk2m with sd jb/jazz, licensed floyd,
personal experience, and its physically too heavy to play for more than an hour anyways
#26
Quote by dunkintate
I have a js30ke which has more wood than the rr and it does not work for death metal(black dahlia murder is not) tho it does have a bassy sound, alder is best for a heavy guitar sound mohogany is okay and probably has the brightest sound but is not a light wood. for ur budget id recommend: dkmg, AXL mayhem series,ESP 100 and 200 series, pick ur favourite shape, but i would recommend u get a hard tailed guitar u can switch tunings whenever, easier to adjust action, and will give u a better tone

What???

I guess you never played a all mahogany les paul
#27
Quote by pigeonmafia
What's your budget


A great amp will make any pickups sound BETTER, though no matter what amp you get, you'll never get an SSS strat to be good at death metal.

Although I agree: you don't NEED active pickups.

Ever heard of Nile?

Also, Mahogany is a very middy compressed sounding wood. Makes it sound dark.
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Quote by Anonden
You CAN play anything with anything....but some guitars sound right for some things, and not for others. Single coils sound retarded for metal, though those who are apeshit about harpsichord probably beg to differ.
#28
Quote by oneblackened
Ever heard of Nile?

Also, Mahogany is a very middy compressed sounding wood. Makes it sound dark.


I've only ever seen dallas and what's his face use humbuckers, but I dislike nile, so I've only seen like 3 vids by them.
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Last edited by pigeonmafia at Oct 11, 2009,
#29
was gonna say Caparison but coz your buget is not huge i would go a Jackson or a LTD
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#30
Thought I'd post this



To prove to the fool who thought mahogany was bright, and alder was more bassy...

And if you STILL don't belive us that mahogany isnt bright

http://www.warmoth.com/Guitar/Necks/NeckWoods.aspx
http://www.warmoth.com/Guitar/Bodies/Options/BodyWoodOptions.aspx

and scroll down to mahogany.

Links all from the 'The ONLY Guitar-building Wood Thread- All Wood-related Qs go HERE! ' thread

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1052639&highlight=wood+tones
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Last edited by pigeonmafia at Oct 11, 2009,
#31
Quote by pigeonmafia
Thought I'd post this



To prove to the fool who thought mahogany was bright, and alder was more bassy...



Just puttin this out there but that picture made by whoever isn't the definitive.

Interpretations, especially of sounds, can vary.
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#32
Quote by henza_x
Just puttin this out there but that picture made by whoever isn't the definitive.

Interpretations, especially of sounds, can vary.


Read the rest of the post, warmoth give mahogany the same sound characteristics. And I don't know about anyone else, but I trust warmoth more.
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#34
Quote by pigeonmafia
I've only ever seen dallas and what's his face use humbuckers, but I dislike nile, so I've only seen like 3 vids by them.

Apparently Karl uses a strat from time to time.

I don't like nile much either, tbh.
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Quote by Anonden
You CAN play anything with anything....but some guitars sound right for some things, and not for others. Single coils sound retarded for metal, though those who are apeshit about harpsichord probably beg to differ.
#35
I'm actually speechless at this thread

A new amp will work wonders towards your tone, as for a guitar for extremely low tunings maybe try looking into a baritone model (although being more specialised they are also more pricey) but being perfectly honest you are better off investing in a new amp, then saving money towards a new guitar
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#36
Just anything with humbuckers that can handle low tunings well. Seriously, not trying to be offensive towards death metal but you won't really be able to tell the difference in sound with all that distortion. You also need an amp with TONS of gain. That's about it.
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#37
I Was looking at the Jackson JS30KE Kelly...Seems ok for a beginner guitar then add a BEASTY Amp
#38
Quote by Sunshine420
I Was looking at the Jackson JS30KE Kelly...Seems ok for a beginner guitar then add a BEASTY Amp

I don't like the JS30KE it is way to inconsistent, and the shape is really awkward.
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Quote by darkcheef
I don't like the JS30KE it is way to inconsistent, and the shape is really awkward.


Awkward as in..hard to sit down and play?
#40
just some gear id recommend
Guitar-Ibanez rg7321( seven string so you wont have to worry about the low tunings)
effects-boss HM-2 distortion pedal
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