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#1
Hey guys, I was just wondering exactly what genre bands like blessthefall, Attack Attack!, A Skylit Drive, and other bands with that generic sing-scream combo belong to. I've heard them referred to as post-hardcore, but I've also heard that that's not true.

Before you guys start flaming, let me make it clear that I don't like these bands, so don't waste a post trying to be funny and saying my taste is sh*t.

Another note, the genre isn't "sh*t." We already know that's what they are . however, i do enjoy the occasional attack attack song...

So lets keep the rest of the thread flame-free.

Thanks
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#2
*home-page troll*


All I know is that "post" denotes a complete lack of conventional song-structure, instead building towards climaxes ... and stuff...

but I also know that there are a lot of bands called "post-hardcore" and "post-punk" incorrectly, so maybe that's what they are.


I didn't help at all. Sorry.
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metalcore? i wouldn't call them post-hardcore because when i think of post-hardcore i think of bands like embrace, fugazi, glassjaw, etc...
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metalcore? i wouldn't call them post-hardcore because when i think of post-hardcore i think of bands like embrace, fugazi, glassjaw, etc...

They certainly have certain elements of Post-Hardcore, but not significant amounts. Out of all the bands there I would say that blessthefall are the most "post-hardcore".
All the bands employ musical techniques and devices inspired by bands from the New Wave of Metalcore that occured a few years ago (AILD, KSE, Trivium) - of which there is a huge amount.

I suppose Metalcore fits fine. Not sure about post-punk, i could be misinterpreting what post punk actually is, but none of the bands contain "punky" elements. At least not punk as I know it.
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#5
medio-core

but seriously, theyre metalcore or something like that
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yeah what valderama said haha
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I'd say they're metalcore. Like Valderama said, Blessthefall is the only one close to Post-Hardcore.
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I'd say they're metalcore. Like Valderama said, Blessthefall is the only one close to Post-Hardcore.

Just wondering, what elements do they have that make them more post-hardcore?

Thanks for the replies, I've always thought that metalcore was more of a August Burns Red, Misery Signals, As I Lay Dying-type stuff. I guess this is just another end of the metalcore spectrum?
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I suppose Metalcore fits fine. Not sure about post-punk, i could be misinterpreting what post punk actually is, but none of the bands contain "punky" elements. At least not punk as I know it.

Watch out, I made the "post-punk mistake" a few years ago, saying MCR were post-punk. Post Punk is new wave that was influenced by punk. You could say Joy Division, Devo, The Fall, etc were post punk. Think gloomy '80s music.

I've also been wondering where do these guys fall; no one takes them serious enough to classify them. If you want to break Metalcore into "waves" like punk is, you ould say this is third wave metalcore, if you consider late '80s early '90s classics as first wave, bands like ETID, AILD, Dillinger, etc as second wave, and the new christian, sing-scream br00tal/soft metalcore would be third wave, sort of like how 3rd wave punk is pretty much pop-punk.
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#10
It's really girly metalcore. Pop-metalcore, if you will.
To hear the difference between this and post-hardcore, listen to bands like Embrace, At the Drive In, Glassjaw and Fugazi. Those are true post-hardcore bands.
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Crabcore / Pop-Mosh / idk
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#13
popcore
i wish everyone would use this term so that all crappy bands wouldnt be called screamo, emo, posthardcore or metalcore anymore.
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They're all really watered down metalcore. Take real metalcore, add in some pop style vocals, some recycled melodic death metal riffs, and a ****load of breakdowns and there you go.
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They are metalcore, but I hate putting those bands in the same genre as Converge, Botch, Cave In etc.

I would honestly just call it pop rock with screaming,
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#16
attack attack fits under the 'gay' category


but anyway, i just call them post-hardcore, cuz that's the best name i can think of
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scenecore, mallcore, popcore whichever one you liek best
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nu-metalcore
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Until last night, I didn't know that this whole "Crabcore" phenomenon actually existed. My pop punk band played some weird show with one of these bands. Choreographed stage moves, terrible music, two singers, "flippy hair", the whole nine yards. One of the singers broke part of the fence in front of the venue, was endlessly given **** by everyone for the rest of the night.
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#22
metalcore, theyre(the bands in the OP) degrading the genre in my opinion.

off topic: i wish new metalcore bands(like the ones in the OP) would use less generic breakdowns and riffs, i would like to find a good metalcore band the can sing and scream as well as they do on record.
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good metalcore doesn't exist anymore. except maybe converge
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good metalcore doesn't exist anymore. except maybe converge

i can agree with that to a point. i do like some modern metalcore bands.
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id say there are some good metal influenced hardcore bands out there(burdens, pulling teeth, iron age, etc.) but actually good metalcore bands in 2009 are few and far between
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Shai Hulud, Integrity, Coalesce, Cave In, Misery Signals, Poison The Well.
None of them are new, but they're all still around/playing shows, so I'd say metalcore isn't completely dead.
There are some decent nu-metalcore bands too. August Burns Red comes to mind, but that's a controversial opinion.
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Shai Hulud, Integrity, Coalesce, Cave In, Misery Signals, Poison The Well.
None of them are new, but they're all still around/playing shows, so I'd say metalcore isn't completely dead.
There are some decent nu-metalcore bands too. August Burns Red comes to mind, but that's a controversial opinion.



yeah but pretty much every single band you named was a band that was around at the beggining/good part of metalcore, and just happened to be the few bands that were very original and still survive in the scene. All of these bands carry a lot of respect as they are whats left of now a dying genre. I really wouldn't say ABR is that original of a band but they are all amazing musicians and it really show in their music, I can still get down with ABR every once in a while, they are a great band for what they do
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yeah but pretty much every single band you named was a band that was around at the beggining/good part of metalcore, and just happened to be the few bands that were very original and still survive in the scene. All of these bands carry a lot of respect as they are whats left of now a dying genre. I really wouldn't say ABR is that original of a band but they are all amazing musicians and it really show in their music, I can still get down with ABR every once in a while, they are a great band for what they do

Yea, they were all around in the primo days of metalcore, but they're still around, so that shows that metalcore isn't completely dead haha.
But yea, as far as new ones go, there's pretty much nil.
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#30
There are still some heavy emo bands kicking around that hearken back to the glory days of metalcore (ex. Zann, Burial Year, Trainwreck). The only thing is that the metalcore influence often gets taken for melodic crust influence (aka His Hero is Gone aping). Not to mention there are still some Integrity worship bands kicking around.
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There are still some heavy emo bands kicking around that hearken back to the glory days of metalcore (ex. Zann, Burial Year, Trainwreck). The only thing is that the metalcore influence often gets taken for melodic crust influence (aka His Hero is Gone aping). Not to mention there are still some Integrity worship bands kicking around.



their are also a lot of integrity worship bands that are really bad as well
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AA! is synthcore.

i thought they were crabcore
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eh, so i guess they would be called (watered-down) metalcore. It just feels weird to group them in with Converge, Misery signals, and other legit metalcore bands. The sound is pretty different imo
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i thought they were crabcore


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attack attack is the only real crabcore band, anyone else is just a poser.......
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hahahah

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oh, the crab ****in core shirts could have fooled me.
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love the fact that i opened this thread and people are talkin about shai hulud and cave in

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