#1
I've gone straight from metal to jazz, and I'm glad I did. And fortunately, I'm getting a new guitar soon. But I am faced with the same dilemma that everyone is faced with, and that is which guitar to buy?

I'm also in the market for a new amp , so my guitar funds are strictly $500. I'm only 15 so saving up for something better would take a LONG time. I know this budget won't get me a fantastic guitar, but I know it can get me a decent one. Maybe an awesome one if I'm lucky.

There are two guitars that have caught my eye.
1. http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-ES-175-Electric-Guitar-103844122-i1149388.gc

2. http://www.guitarcenter.com/Ibanez-Artcore-AFS75T-Electric-Guitar-102229093-i1150601.gc

I know that everyone is gonna recommend a new amp, but I'm already working on that part. So please, just tell me A) Which one is better or B) If there is a better choice for my price range.

Also, I would prefer no gold hardware (as it rubs off and looks lame) but if the guitar is really great, I would consider it. Thanks for all help!
#2
Gretsch 5120 would be great. It's kind of a love it or hate it guitar, but try one out. The ES-175 looks pretty nice, haven't played one though
#3
i like the ibanez myself, but the choice is yours dude. try em out if possible, its always worth it.
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#4
try them both definately, but imo, the ibanez will be better for the cash. They seem to be built very well and with a pickup swap down the line they should be able to trump the epi.
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#5
don't rule out the basics. SGs, Les Pauls, and Strats are all suprisingly nice for jazzy stuff.
#6
Jackson RR3 is a great guitar. Go for it.
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#7
Quote by irishstang_87
Gretsch 5120 would be great.


Absolutely! Be sure to try that one out. Also, you might want to see about an Epiphone Firebird Studio.
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#8
I like the epiphone sheraton. I know it's a semi-hollow but I think they sound decent for jazz. Keep in mind that Jazz tones require epic cleans, and the right amp goes a long way for that.
#9
Quote by ghiyath
Keep in mind that Jazz tones require epic cleans, and the right amp goes a long way for that.


What would be a good amp that I can practice in my bedroom but play small gigs? because I can't really find anything thats decent AND reliable.

About a pick-up switch, would a SD '59 in the bridge and a SD Jazz in the neck be good?
#10
Quote by ABRfan
What would be a good amp that I can practice in my bedroom but play small gigs? because I can't really find anything thats decent AND reliable.

About a pick-up switch, would a SD '59 in the bridge and a SD Jazz in the neck be good?


If you have the money. A used Mesa Boogie Lonestar would be good for bedroom practice, small gigs, and all your needs. It has a function of switching the watts from 100, to 50, to 10.

However, assuming you're on a budget. A Fender amp with reverb built in (or you can buy a seperate good reverb pedal) would be ideal for Jazz.
#11
well my school's jazz ensemble has a fender silverface twin reverb and it's great for that. I know some jazz guitarists also use SS amps like the Roland Jazz Chorus
#12
Try before you buy. No exceptions.

Also the Ibanez looks hideous

Maybe a Fender...Jazzmaster?
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#13
Edit; ^Actually, to quote Elvis Costello, one of the best-known Jazzmaster players, "Nobody who plays one I know plays Jazz. I'm not even sure they'd sound very good for it."

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Limited-Edition-Riviera-Custom-P93-Electric-Guitar-516284-i1427053.gc

Or alternatively you could get one of these;

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Les-Paul-1956-Goldtop-Electric-Guitar-101392173-i1149978.gc

Les Paul had to have one of the nicest jazz tones I've ever heard on the Les Paul & Mary Ford show, and back then all there were with Les Pauls were goldtop and flat black Les Pauls with P-90's.
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#14
Quote by necrosis1193
Edit; ^Actually, to quote Elvis Costello, one of the best-known Jazzmaster players, "Nobody who plays one I know plays Jazz. I'm not even sure they'd sound very good for it."
I didn't think so either
#15
@ necrosis, I've heard a lot of mixed reviews about the Riviera, which means I would have to try before I buy. And last time I went to GC, my only local guitar shop, I didn't see anything that looked close like it. I'll definitely be going again sometime soon.

And for some reason I just hate how the white P-90s look. I bet it sounds and plays just fine, maybe even fantastically, but I could never own a guitar where I hate something about it.
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#16
Okay, so buy black covers? They're only about $15 each.
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#17
OP for the amp get fender blues jr. - fantastic value. for guitar - shop around for a made in japan strat (MIJ) around where u live or ebay. you definitely don't want a hollow body. if your budget was higher i would suggest a warm sounding mahogany guitar, but since your budget is so low a decent strat will do the job. just learn how to play them jazz scales
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#18
I hate epiphones with a passion. I had an epi les paul and it was badly built, it ALWAYS brought me problems with the intonation and fretbuzz. Get the Ibanez, or something else you might like at the guitarcenter dude.
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#19
Quote by hopespaul
OP for the amp get fender blues jr. - fantastic value. for guitar - shop around for a made in japan strat (MIJ) around where u live or ebay. you definitely don't want a hollow body. if your budget was higher i would suggest a warm sounding mahogany guitar, but since your budget is so low a decent strat will do the job. just learn how to play them jazz scales


Why doesn't he want a hollow body? Hollow bodies were used in Jazz during that era. If anything he could look at the Epi ES-335 or a ES-335 clone/semi hollow. Perfect for Jazz, Blues, and Classic Rock.
#20
Go for the Ibanez, but get an Artcore without a Bigsby. They're such a bitch, and I regret not getting a hardtail.
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#21
How well could an Ibanez solid-body do for jazz? I'm most interested in the RG series, but as I said, if it's a wonderful guitar, I will try to test it out.
#22
i've never been a fan of the Artcore series. they feel extremely cheap to me. i know they're decent sounding and playing guitars, but they just feel like you could snap the thing between your hands haha

anyway, about the solid vs hollow body, why not something like the PRS SE Custom Semi-Hollow? it's a really cool looking semi-hollow, and all the PRS SE guitars have always been reliable and well built in my opinion. never gotten to play the semi-hollow series though. and there is a version with p90s if you wanted those crystal cleans.

not everybody is a PRS SE fan, but i think they're great guitars for the price. just throwing it out there

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#23
Well, if you're willing to step a little out of your price range, I'd recommend a Jackson Custom Shop guitar. I own 5 and they all play amazingly.
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#24
I know there was a big Hagstrom Jazzbox at the shop for $600CAD, that might make it closer to $500USD.
I think blem'd ones go on eBay for less.
#25
I'm thinking of going with the ES-175, because of two main reasons: 1. After checking out youtube videos, it sounds pretty darn amazing, even unplugged and 2. It's gorgeous.

Now for my amp decision, here's what I was thinking, but need some critizism/suggestions on this: I would probably buy the Epi. Valve Jr. stack and the Ibanez TS9DX into it. Would this set-up be able to be loud enough for small and, dare I say, medium sized gigs?
#26
either of those two guitars would be very nice buys. a buddy of mine has the ibanez and it is a very nice sounding guitar. for jazzy stuff don't rule out strats and tele's but if you have and thats not your thing i understand but they are very versatile guitars and are more then capable of good jazz tones.
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#27
This might sound odd, but I suggest getting an Ibanez RG. I find that their thin necks are very comfortable and easy for playing all of the odd barre chord work that jazz requires. I'm currently using my RG for my high school's jazz band, and it's working beautifully.
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#28
You should think about checking out an Epiphone Casino, even though they're a little more expensive than your price range ($600). I know a lot of jazz players that really like the tone of P-90 pickups, and the Casino comes stock with two of them. I've also played one pretty extensively and it was great for jazz/clean tones, and you could even coax some funkiness out of it.
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#29
I checked out the Epiphone Casino, and though the Vintage Burst isn't as good looking (though still beautiful) it sounds amazing (inferred from youtube videos).

If I got that, I could still afford the Epi. Valve Jr. Half stack and the Ibanez, but what are your guys' opinions on it?