#1
I've been reading tons of info and watching youtube vids about pedals all morning so I've got info just swimming around in my head... some of which is jumbled. I picked up the notion somewhere along the way that Tubescreamers are really only effective for tube amps. I've got a Crate FXT65 amp (ya ya, crate >< ), which is not a tube amp. Have I mixed info up? Sorry for the nub question I'm sure.
#2
Nah, they'll work on anything.

I will say, that Tubescreamers, simply tend to not sound great on SS amps, but it's not unlistenable if dialed in well enough.
#3
how would it sound through a modelling amp, like a VT30?
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It will work, it'll just sound different.
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Some pedals simply perform better with a tube amp. Overdrives in general, are easier to get a good sound with when they're pushing tubes instead of solid state circuitry. This is a general statement, and there are exceptions.
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#6
Hrm. Well, the decision is between a Big Muff Pi or a Ts9. So if a tube screamer isn't all that great on a SS I should get the Big Muff right?
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Hrm. Well, the decision is between a Big Muff Pi or a Ts9. So if a tube screamer isn't all that great on a SS I should get the Big Muff right?

whoah, now. how could it be between those two? you've gone to total opposites of the spectrum. do you even know what each of those pedals sound like?

the Pi is good for Grunge, garage rock and indy stuff. the TS9 is an OD that works good for AC/DC style rock.

I'd sell the amp and get a better one.
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#8
Well, those are going to be two wildly different pedals to begin with...

They both will work.


One will sound like a tubescreamer, the other will sound like a muff.

I'm sure either would sound as good as the other, and both would certainly "work", but they're apples and oranges, in my book.
#9
Crap I fail... I'm looking for a bluesy tone. A couple threads mentioned a big muff (frusciante also uses this) and a couple other threads mentioned ts9's (usually with blues jrs).
#10
you're going to have a hard time finding a pedal that will give you a bluesy tone through a non-tube amp.

Have you tried using the gain channel on your amp, setting the gain to about 3-4 and boosting the mids? It won't be perfect, but it'll be as good as you'll be able to get by putting a Tubescreamer into your clean channel.
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#11
Quote by Naptime
Crap I fail... I'm looking for a bluesy tone. A couple threads mentioned a big muff (frusciante also uses this) and a couple other threads mentioned ts9's (usually with blues jrs).

the Big Muff will NOT do blues (only Jack White fanboys think so). The TS9 is considered a "blues" pedal because it is the descendant of the TS808. and the TS808 is considered a blues pedal because Stevie Ray Vaughan used them to boost his amp into overdrive. but you won't get the same "blusey" sound with a TS9, or even a TS808, with your amp.

the secret to a blues tone is to have an amp right on the verge of power amp saturation, then hitting it with a boost, like an OD or any other gain booster. and since SS don't break up (they Clip), the sound will not be very nice sounding at all.
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#12
dude, try the Digitech Hardwire Valve overdrive, i get an amazing tube-y distortion out of it, much more versatile than your standard tubescreamer.
#13
I have a maxon od 808 and use it on the clean channel of my XXX and 5150 and i get a nice blues tone. Try it out im POSTIVE you can get a good tone with it on a SS amp.
#14
Well I can't adjust the mids when my gain channel is selected. Only highs and lows which is why I use the clean chan almost all the time. I'll be picking up a eq pedal in about an hour for more control. What I'm getting is that I don't need either of those pedals. Some eq adjustments with a little gain would do fine. I got excited about all these diff pedals. I've never used pedals in my 5+ yrs of playing.
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[quote="Jhachey22
the secret to a blues tone is to have an amp right on the verge of power amp saturation, then hitting it with a boost, like an OD or any other gain booster. and since SS don't break up (they Clip), the sound will not be very nice sounding at all.[/QUOTE"]

I don't understand what this means. Power amp saturation?
#16
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I don't understand what this means. Power amp saturation?

I'd say "read the stickies", but it looks like you need some 'splainin.

your normal amp is made up of two main sections: the Preamp and the Power amp. the preamp is what breaks up and distorts (also known as Tube saturation) first because it's usually only about 1W or so. the power amp is made to amplify your preamp's signal. because it is much louder, you need a lot more juice to break it up, i.e. cranking it and then hitting it with a booster.

personally, i think that the overdrive from the power amp is much warmer and musical then preamp gain.

now, the problem with SS amps is that, like i have already said, they don't break up. they clip, which produces the same sound as a cheap pair of speaker from a dollar store being cranked to the max.
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#17
Ty for the explanations. I'll check out the stickies. Sry for the nubness
#18
well I've never played one through a SS amp, but I bet you could get a pretty bluesy tone from a tubescreamer... I use one on my clean channel if I want a bluesy sound. It would surely take some tweaking of the level, tone, and drive knobs, but I'm sure it would get you there. I'd go to guitar center and demand to crank on one for a while.
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well I've never played one through a SS amp, but I bet you could get a pretty bluesy tone from a tubescreamer... I use one on my clean channel if I want a bluesy sound. It would surely take some tweaking of the level, tone, and drive knobs, but I'm sure it would get you there. I'd go to guitar center and demand to crank on one for a while.


Well really, you're commenting from the exact opposite of what TS needs to be told IMO it is very difficult to get a good OD sound from an SS simply because it can't be overdriven it can just be distorted (using those terms loosley) You could try something like the Blackstar HT-OD or whatever it's called. Awesome pedal and it gives a bit of warmth to the sound as well.
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#20
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Well really, you're commenting from the exact opposite of what TS needs to be told IMO it is very difficult to get a good OD sound from an SS simply because it can't be overdriven it can just be distorted (using those terms loosley) You could try something like the Blackstar HT-OD or whatever it's called. Awesome pedal and it gives a bit of warmth to the sound as well.


really ? pretty sure the main idea I was trying to get across was that he should go try one out and see what kind of tone he can get from it. GC has a 30 day return policy too, so he could even pick one up and play it through his guitar and amp, in his house, and if it doesn't work out, return it for full refund.

I know that you're not going to match BB king's sound from a SS amp with a TS, but you can get in the ballpark.
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really ? pretty sure the main idea I was trying to get across was that he should go try one out and see what kind of tone he can get from it. GC has a 30 day return policy too, so he could even pick one up and play it through his guitar and amp, in his house, and if it doesn't work out, return it for full refund.

I know that you're not going to match BB king's sound from a SS amp with a TS, but you can get in the ballpark.


Apologies, re-reading that I sound like a jerk, I just meant that you were commenting from the point of view of I have a tubescreamer and it does it for me but you're using tubes.

But I do agree, TS get your ass off UG and try stuff out.
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#22
The more I read about amps and different threads on tone, the more I realize I should get a new amp before investing in these pedals. It may not even cost me that much to get a new amp (considering that I sell my old amp). I'll check out the TubeScreamer for sure though. I am very interested in how it sounds, who knows maybe I'll do the whole buy and return deal
#23
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I know that you're not going to match BB king's sound from a SS amp with a TS, but you can get in the ballpark.

Actually, BB has been using SS amps for years.
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#24
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Some pedals simply perform better with a tube amp. Overdrives in general, are easier to get a good sound with when they're pushing tubes instead of solid state circuitry. This is a general statement, and there are exceptions.


You don't need to use the OD pedal as a boost at all. Turn the Gain up on it and keep the Level lower on it.

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Hrm. Well, the decision is between a Big Muff Pi or a Ts9. So if a tube screamer isn't all that great on a SS I should get the Big Muff right?


OD pedals work fine with SS gear, unless you're a n00b and trying to use it as a clean boost.
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#25
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You don't need to use the OD pedal as a boost at all. Turn the Gain up on it and keep the Level lower on it.


I know that it technically works that way, but from experience, putting that in front of a solid state amp does not cause the pleasing bluesy tone the TS is looking for, but rather an annoyingly buzzy distortion.

At least that's my experience, with about 5 years of running through a crappy solid state amp trying to somehow improve the crappy tone with my OD because I didn't have enough cash to upgrade.
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#26
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Actually, BB has been using SS amps for years.


well ok, I'll give you that one... allow me to rephrase.

you're not going to nail a BB King tone from a SS amp that's affordable with only a TS.
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