#1
I'm really considering this amp but a number of things concern me. It's $600, half the price of the plus head and the regular 212 combo. It also uses the same speaker as the 212. I know it's made in China, but does that really make that big of a difference in price? Will the sound quality be severely reduced and will it be unreliable?
#2
The made in china part doesn't necessarily mean bad quality. The 6505 is not the most bulletproof amp ever made but considering what you're getting and the price range I don't think the reliability is particularly out of line.
As far as sound quality, just play one before you buy. Some people really like them, others do not. Again, the fact that it's made in china really has no bearing on anything.
#3
They are not out yet so we don't know


PS - the Valvekings and Vypyrs are made in China and could actually be in the same factory as the new 6505+ 112s.

I'm not saying those 2 amps do not have their issues but by in large I would say they are made well for what they are so I for one have high hopes.
#4
I mean, it's a peavey. Aren't they known for their bullet-proof amps and gear? They have other stuff made in China that are tanks too.
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#5
I know where it's made has nothing to do with quality, but Peavey has to be cutting some corners somewhere to offer a 6505+ at half-price with a speaker.
#7
yeah it's labor. That's why everything cheap is made in China. Quick and cheap. Where something is made is a lot of propaganda and hoopla. Chinese products generally do suck, but that's because that's where they go to make cheaper lower quality items. Tons of good stuff comes out of China, as well as the crappy stuff. Let's wait till the amp comes out and see.
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Plus, Peavey tends to make good products, no matter how cheap.
I have high hopes for this, hope it turns out good .
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#9
The reason is cheaper, is because of the labour.
If somebody here was to make an amp, for £500, it'll probably cost about £300 to be made in China, just because you don't have to pay them as much.
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#10
I am still waiting for somewhere in Birmingham to get one so i can try one but try it and if you don't like it don't worry about it.
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The made in china part doesn't necessarily mean bad quality. The 6505 is not the most bulletproof amp ever made but considering what you're getting and the price range I don't think the reliability is particularly out of line.
As far as sound quality, just play one before you buy. Some people really like them, others do not. Again, the fact that it's made in china really has no bearing on anything.



"Made in China has no bearing on anything....". I doubt the good American people who used to build 6505s here in the USA agree with your surprisingly sightless opinion.

Come on guys, music is spiritual. Spend your money however you want but that Chinese amp is born out of bad circumstance. I'd stay away from the bad mojo.
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"Made in China has no bearing on anything....". I doubt the good American people who used to build 6505s here in the USA agree with your surprisingly sightless opinion.

Come on guys, music is spiritual. Spend your money however you want but that Chinese amp is born out of bad circumstance. I'd stay away from the bad mojo.

You're kidding right? Thats just some clever irony right?

"THEYRE TAKING OUR JYOBBBSSSSS!"
Did you just seriously tell him not to buy an amp because "good american people" lost their jobs. Welcome to the global economy. His opinion is not "sightless" its incredibly accurate and well founded in facts, not your fairytale world where anything not in America = dirt beneath your toes.

And that part about music being spiritual? Oh please Dopey dont make me laugh. As if the fact that its made in China will forever cripple his sound.
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"Made in China has no bearing on anything....". I doubt the good American people who used to build 6505s here in the USA agree with your surprisingly sightless opinion.

Come on guys, music is spiritual. Spend your money however you want but that Chinese amp is born out of bad circumstance. I'd stay away from the bad mojo.



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You're kidding right? Thats just some clever irony right?

"THEYRE TAKING OUR JYOBBBSSSSS!"
Did you just seriously tell him not to buy an amp because "good american people" lost their jobs. Welcome to the global economy. His opinion is not "sightless" its incredibly accurate and well founded in facts, not your fairytale world where anything not in America = dirt beneath your toes.

And that part about music being spiritual? Oh please Dopey dont make me laugh. As if the fact that its made in China will forever cripple his sound.

He has to be kidding, he just has to.

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"Made in China has no bearing on anything....". I doubt the good American people who used to build 6505s here in the USA agree with your surprisingly sightless opinion.

Come on guys, music is spiritual. Spend your money however you want but that Chinese amp is born out of bad circumstance. I'd stay away from the bad mojo.


I doubt that there's a significant drop in quality or sound of the amp due to where it was made, if any at all.

However, aren't the 6505 heads and the 212 combos still made in the USA? The 112 combo is designed as a sort of intro to metal amp, and it needed to be cheap. Making it in China doesn't seem unreasonable to me, especially since the Valvekings and Vypyrs are made there as well.

I agree with you that it's important to keep American jobs, and stop pissing our nation's economic welfare away to China. In the long run, we're hurting American businesses and hindering the development of Chinese society by encouraging cheap labor abuse.

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You're kidding right? Thats just some clever irony right? "THEYRE TAKING OUR JYOBBBSSSSS!" Did you just seriously tell him not to buy an amp because "good american people" lost their jobs. Welcome to the global economy. His opinion is not "sightless" its incredibly accurate and well founded in facts, not your fairytale world where anything not in America = dirt beneath your toes. And that part about music being spiritual? Oh please Dopey dont make me laugh. As if the fact that its made in China will forever cripple his sound.


The "global economy" is bull****. Your attitude about business is the type of attitude that has the US owing ~$10,000,000,000,000 to China. And no, 10 trillion is not an exaggeration. I don't understand why people don't realize that giving your money to cheap labor will not only hurt the local/national economy, but also prevent development in other countries. Because of the US business, Chinese factories continue to be able to stifle unions and pay their workers 10 cents an hour. Not to mention child labor...

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The "global economy" is bull****. Your attitude about business is the type of attitude that has the US owing ~$10,000,000,000,000 to China. And no, 10 trillion is not an exaggeration. I don't understand why people don't realize that giving your money to cheap labor will not only hurt the local/national economy, but also prevent development in other countries. Because of the US business, Chinese factories continue to be able to stifle unions and pay their workers 10 cents an hour. Not to mention child labor...

You have quite a bit of growing up to do...


Umm sir? Could we pretend that this is not the politics thread please, thankee. Second off, no one here outside of the US gives 2 ****s about the jobs in either America or China (assuming they're also not in China) or whos losing/gaining more of them. I also dont give 2 ****s about factories crushing unions or paying kids (which apparently is caused by Peavey). Send this rant to your "socialist" president, not me, because as previously stated... I dont give 2 ****s.

Now back to the actual topic of the thread, yes, try the 6505, its not for everybody, but those who like it, vehemently swear by it. Personally I think the XXX and 6505+ are kickass if you EQ them right.
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I doubt that there's a significant drop in quality or sound of the amp due to where it was made, if any at all.

However, aren't the 6505 heads and the 212 combos still made in the USA? The 112 combo is designed as a sort of intro to metal amp, and it needed to be cheap. Making it in China doesn't seem unreasonable to me, especially since the Valvekings and Vypyrs are made there as well.

I agree with you that it's important to keep American jobs, and stop pissing our nation's economic welfare away to China. In the long run, we're hurting American businesses and hindering the development of Chinese society by encouraging cheap labor abuse.



The "global economy" is bull****. Your attitude about business is the type of attitude that has the US owing ~$10,000,000,000,000 to China. And no, 10 trillion is not an exaggeration. I don't understand why people don't realize that giving your money to cheap labor will not only hurt the local/national economy, but also prevent development in other countries. Because of the US business, Chinese factories continue to be able to stifle unions and pay their workers 10 cents an hour. Not to mention child labor...

You have quite a bit of growing up to do...


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#19
Actually some of the stuff coming out of China is pretty good these days. I just replaced the EL34's in my JCM900 with four Shuguangs the other day and they rock! I bought them because they were cheap and they surprised the hell out of me.

And stop bitching about the politics; it's called globalisation and the west is just sleeping in the bed their corporate overlords helped make. Buy American all you like if it helps you sleep at night and while you're at it pee in the ocean to stop the tide going out. He wanted to know how good an amp was, not how it impacts on the effects of globalisation.
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#20
Are the components of a 6505+ really that cheap though? The 6505s are already really cheap for what they are. They're one of the most popular amps in metal and they're also one of the cheapest high gain amps. It's not like their ptp handwired amps. It's a cheap amp that just got a lot cheaper. Do you think they used cheaper components to keep costs down? I mean, the only difference I see so far are 3 less tubes, and probably a smaller transformer. But you also have to add the speaker and extra wood for the cabinet. I don't know if that warrants half the price. As for the China thing, I don't really care since it's not a handmade thing where individual quality matters like a guitar. But if you can really produce an amp for that cheap and have the same quality as something that's twice as expensive, why aren't there any true Mesa, Marshall, Orange, or Peavey killers?
#21
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"Made in China has no bearing on anything....". I doubt the good American people who used to build 6505s here in the USA agree with your surprisingly sightless opinion.

Come on guys, music is spiritual. Spend your money however you want but that Chinese amp is born out of bad circumstance. I'd stay away from the bad mojo.

This is a bit disgusting.
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A bit twisted too if you ask me. What defines bad mojo? Corporations are heartless psycopaths, underpaid workers are being exploited but they at least get money to buy food. You could build your own amp I guess or buy one hand built in a garage - but oh no, where would you buy the components from and couldn't you be depriving some poor person an income? Is it good mojo to pay one race of people instead of another? Is racism good mojo these days? If you call it patriotism does that make it ok? Is it good mojo to buy from a pack of psychos because they employ people from YOUR country? i mean seriously - WTF? Mojo?? Give me a break!!
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#23
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But if you can really produce an amp for that cheap and have the same quality as something that's twice as expensive, why aren't there any true Mesa, Marshall, Orange, or Peavey killers?

Bugera produces Marshall killers (JCM 900, Plexi), Peavey killers(5150, 5150 II, XXX, JSX) and general smaller amp market killers (Orange?) with the V5, V22 and V55...
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Bugera produces Marshall killers (JCM 900, Plexi), Peavey killers(5150, 5150 II, XXX, JSX) and general smaller amp market killers (Orange?) with the V5, V22 and V55...




They aren't killers of those at all. Play a Bugera 1960 then play a Marshall JMP. To me they sounded totally different. But for the price, they are pretty nice.
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Bugera produces Marshall killers (JCM 900, Plexi), Peavey killers(5150, 5150 II, XXX, JSX) and general smaller amp market killers (Orange?) with the V5, V22 and V55...



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They aren't killers of those at all. Play a Bugera 1960 then play a Marshall JMP. To me they sounded totally different. But for the price, they are pretty nice.

All plexi clones have their own sound. Doesn't mean they're worse than the original..

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#27
Huh... you're asking what can go wrong with an amp that's not reached the public yet.

That's like asking if the Governator of California will win his next election (assuming he runs).

No one know... jeez... didn't we have a flood of such threads not too long ago?

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Bugera produces Marshall killers (JCM 900, Plexi), Peavey killers(5150, 5150 II, XXX, JSX) and general smaller amp market killers (Orange?) with the V5, V22 and V55...


And you guys LOL at my posts??
#29
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And you guys LOL at my posts??

What is this? Harmony Central? Did I click a wrong link somewhere?
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Huh... you're asking what can go wrong with an amp that's not reached the public yet.

That's like asking if the Governator of California will win his next election (assuming he runs).

I'm asking how is it possible that they can offer what they intend to for that price and get a profit. It just doesn't make sense to me. It's not like Peaveys are ptp wired or anything like that. They're already one of the cheapest high gain amp makers and one of the most highly regarded. It just seems to good to be true. I don't think labor really accounts for more than 50% of the cost to make an amp when you look at the price of components like speakers, tubes, and transformers.
#31
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I'm asking how is it possible that they can offer what they intend to for that price and get a profit. It just doesn't make sense to me. It's not like Peaveys are ptp wired or anything like that. They're already one of the cheapest high gain amp makers and one of the most highly regarded. It just seems to good to be true. I don't think labor really accounts for more than 50% of the cost to make an amp when you look at the price of components like speakers, tubes, and transformers.


Finally ...
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#33
OK.

I'm just gonna show you the pointlessness of this thread.

I'm not being mean, but just follow my line of thinking.

Just as an illustration, imagine that there are 100 individual components (tubes, circuits, knobs etc etc)

Now imagine that with each component, there might be a potential breakdown.

Now imagine that with electrical circuits, one faulty component can lead to further failures downstearm (i.e. power transformer overloads and fries circuits and tubes downstream)

Can you imagine that even if 50% of those 100 components are electrical in nature and the failure of one leads to the failure of other components, the possible number of ways the amp can die is simply too many to consider.

That is not even taking possibilities like speaker failure, melted wires, poor soldering, weak fuses, sub-standard transformers, fragile knobs etc etc.

Then we've not even talked about questionable QC standards or what if the Chinese decide to substitute sub-standard components into the amp without Peavey's knowledge. Just like how the quake in China revealed the use of low grade construction materials in Chinese buildings.

Without a test amp, we can discuss the 1001 ways the amp can die, it'll all still be pointless.

Then what if after all that, the amp works fine and there are no issues?

In view of all that, isn't any such discussion worthless without an actual test unit?
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#34
You're missing the point of my question. I'm not asking how it's going fail or break. I'm asking how is it possible to put a $1200 head into a $600 combo and if it's even really possible.
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You're missing the point of my question. I'm not asking how it's going fail or break. I'm asking how is it possible to put a $1200 head into a $600 combo and if it's even really possible.


Are you familiar with the pricing strategies that a lot of IT companies use for printers?

They sell the hardware dirt cheap, then strangle users on the consumables.

Peavey could be making very little profits on the combo to attract users to choke off Bugera.

Also if you want to be specific with wording... your title IS asking about what could go wrong with the amp, while the last line of your opening post asks if the amp will be unreliable.
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