#1
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ValvePower-18-watt-Lite-valve-tube-guitar-amp-head_W0QQitemZ260488427851QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MusicalInstr_Amplifiers_RL?hash=item3ca651f94b#ht_5808wt_1165

Check out the new ValvePower! I have to get me one of these now! I was never a big fan of Concorde look.

EDIT: Just realised I could have PM'd him. Sorry for the spam!
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#3
Did yours come in the case?

I just missed the deadline for bids but it didn't sell so I will get it once relisted maybe - I need to sell my amp first!
#5
It's made by Rat Electronics by an amp builder named Andy Talbot. You can find some of his newer stuff on eBay. He used to rebuild Fender valve amps but now does work on the low wattage ones coming out. He gets them from source to save you the extra costs.

Basically the guy rebuilds existing amps with all improved components and circuitry. My amp is based off a Fender Pro Junior chassis, but has been totally rebuilt and wired. For a start the speaker has been replaced with a Celestion G-10, and the cabinet has been recovered in tweed with an oxblood grillcloth so it looks like an old Fender combo from the 50's. It has a full 3 band tone stack based on a Fender Twin, so that bass, middle and treble are independent and can be completely cut out if required. It has a gain and master volume, a boost switch, a negative feedback switch that gives you the full amp load or puts some signal back into the circuit (like most amps do unfortunately) and a Pentode/Triode switch between 15 and 5.8 watts pure class A. It runs on 2x12AX7 and 2xEL84s.

This is all very good and well, but the main clincher for me is that it has power scaling built in.

It is a cross between a Vox and a Bassman, it's almost like a 1x10 Bassman to my ears. Amazing cleans, superb overdrive.

I just want something more Marshall-esque. I have no qualms with the amp whatsoever.
#6
I'm quite annoyed because I thought most of the gigs I would be playing would have PA (that's one of the reasons I bought the Marshall Class 5) but now I have find out the venues don't have PA and I can't gig with a 5w.
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#7
^ I'm very sorry to hear that. I wonder how much you could get for your marshall second-hand? they're still pretty new, and seem to be quite sought-after, so you might not lose all that much. You just want to be careful that you don't end up wasting more money trying to persuade the class 5 to do what you want than would just buy you an amp which would do what you want out of the box. If you're not using PA, though, you'd want to be sure that the 18 watter has enough volume (or perhaps more importantly, clean headroom)- I only play at home, so haven't really had the chance to open it up, but it doesn't strike me as having all that much clean headroom.

greggy: yeah, ILiKePiNeAppLeS already pointed that out to me before. Sounds like you have no excuse now Those RATs are meant to be really nice, by the way. I've heard good things...
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#8
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Those RATs are meant to be really nice, by the way. I've heard good things...


I don't understand why I'm the only person who has one, at least on UG. If I could keep it and get the Valvepower too I would, but it's one or t'other and Andy is doing different models now should I decide to get one in future.
#9
I'm going to be taking my Class 5 back because there was a nasty rattle and the amp kept flickering on and off.
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#10
^ haha, sweet, problem solved. Make sure you get a refund and not a credit note, you've only had it for, what, a week or so? The law says it's your choice whether you get a refund, replacement or repair, so don't let them fob you off. mention the office of fair trading and the consumer direct website a couple of times if they try to...

http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/after_you_buy/know-your-rights/SGAknowyourrights/

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yeah. i didn't know of them when i got them at the start, and it's hardly worth the cost of posting my VJ to him and back to get it hotrodded, most of the cost would be in the postage
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#11
^Sweet, I have never been sure when I can get a full refund, and it's only been a week#, so hopefully I should get a full refund.
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#12
yeah, definitely, yours should be a cut and dried case. if you aren't entitled to a full refund after a week, then "reasonable time" isn't worth the paper it's written on.
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#13
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^Sweet, I have never been sure when I can get a full refund, and it's only been a week#, so hopefully I should get a full refund.

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#14
^Definately with a 2x12 Zilla Cab
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#15
would be worth trying a few 18 watters just to check they have enough headroom and volume too. if your local dealer has a lot of marshalls, they might have the 18 watt reissue, for example.
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#16
Yeah it doesn't have much headroom at all.
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#17
i haven't had it up too loud, and it does seem to have less headroom when you're using the powerscaling, but yeah, even at lowish volumes with the powerscaling disengaged, i wouldn't really call it pristinely clean. It's clean ok, but there's a tiny bit of grit around the edges.
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#18
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i haven't had it up too loud, and it does seem to have less headroom when you're using the powerscaling, but yeah, even at lowish volumes with the powerscaling disengaged, i wouldn't really call it pristinely clean. It's clean ok, but there's a tiny bit of grit around the edges.
Oh i dunno, I cranked it without the powerscaling the other day. I locked my door so my mum couldn't come in and shout at me and I had a ready made excuse with "sorry I couldn't hear you". She wasn't amused

I didn't see how much headroom it had though and I normally have power on like 2.5.
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#19
^If it doesn't have that much headroom, I will just use my volume knob on guitar, but anyway, there are no shops with the 1974X but I heard it says similar to a JMT45?

Also, in the consumers direct link it says, if you return the item in a reasonable period of time, is 2 weeks reasonable?
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#20
^ i'd have thought so, especially if it's a fault. Apart from anything, the fault could happen at any time. We've got refunds out of currys after several months before- we had to push, but we knew our rights and they backed down when they realised we did and that they didn't have a leg to stand on. You don't have to be rude or anything, be polite, but firm. You know your rights, and they're not going to talk you into waiving them. Bring your dad with you when you go, too, for moral support. Maybe even bring a printout from the consumer direct website. You'd be surprised how quickly a lot of these shops and salespeople change their tune when they realise you know what you're entitled to. Half the time the shop assistants don't even know the law...

As i said already, if something breaking down one week after purchase doesn't guarantee you a refund under "reasonable time", I don't know what would. That Consumer Direct link I posted said that if you bought skis in the summer and didn't use them until the winter, and only found out that they were faulty in the winter, you'd be entitled to a refund because of "reasonable time".

I haven't tried a jtm45, but i've heard that too. Presumably the jtm45 would have a lot more headroom, though.



EDIT: the important thing is not to accept anything. Once you do, you're tied to it. You can't think, "oh, I'll accept a repair now then talk them into a refund later", as that won't work. If you want a refund, you have to say in black in white that that's all you'll accept, and that you believe you're entitled to one under the sale of goods act.

^^ yeah, i normally run the power knob at about 2, and then use the volume control to set the amount of distortion. Unless i want cleans, then i run the power flat out and set the volume really low.
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#21
^Cheers, I will print the consumer direct page and get a refund Saturday and if all goes well I should have a VP, Iron Gear Pickups and a Zilla 2x12 cab waiting for me in a couple of weeks
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#22
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I'm quite annoyed because I thought most of the gigs I would be playing would have PA (that's one of the reasons I bought the Marshall Class 5) but now I have find out the venues don't have PA and I can't gig with a 5w.
That is exactly the reason why people should shut the fuck up about PA systems. They have no idea what they are talking about.
People say, "well, it you hook it up to a PA, a 5 watt is fine for gigs," and that gives TOTALLY the wrong impression.

I'm sorry for venting my anger but it really does upset me. People like you are now suffering because of others incompetence. I mean, granted, we all make mistakes, but these people just repeat what one bloke has said. "It makese sense, so, hey lets repeat it for everything."


I'm pretty much positive I'm going to get me a Valvepower.
#23
^ i agree. I don't gig, and you don't hear me saying too often how much wattage you might need, etc. etc. etc. if you don't know for sure (or at least make clear that it's what you *think*, or what you've *heard*), shut up.

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also, sometimes (and this is more bigger electrical retailers, but there's no reason why a guitar shop might not try a similar tactic) they might say, "oh, sure we'll open it up to see what the fault is, maybe it's something minor"... again, refuse. Once they've started a repair, they might try to claim that you agreed to a repair and not a refund, and try to hold you to it.
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#25
hmmmmmmmmm............... does it begin with V?
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#26
Viagra? No no no...

A new amp, dummy!

EDIT:

Yep, ordered the custom head that was on eBay. Apparently he makes these versions from time to time. Given the fact it's the same price, and looks better, I would urge any future buyers to request the HiWatt/Marshallesque head.

Cannot wait - need a cab though!

I will be sad to see the RAT go - I sold it this morning too.

I wonder how the Power Scaling compares with both? The Rat was authorised to use London Power but I haven't a clue about the VP. What's the minimum wattage achievable?
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#27
i'm not sure, i haven't tried the "official" london power powerscaling. I assume they're both a similar idea, but you never know.

I don't know how low the wattage goes, but you can get it really quiet. it does sound better from about shouting level up, though.

i hope you like it, too.
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#28
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^ i agree. I don't gig, and you don't hear me saying too often how much wattage you might need, etc. etc. etc. if you don't know for sure (or at least make clear that it's what you *think*, or what you've *heard*), shut up.




also, sometimes (and this is more bigger electrical retailers, but there's no reason why a guitar shop might not try a similar tactic) they might say, "oh, sure we'll open it up to see what the fault is, maybe it's something minor"... again, refuse. Once they've started a repair, they might try to claim that you agreed to a repair and not a refund, and try to hold you to it.
+1 to all.

Cool, greggybhoy, I might be getting one of these soon, as well.

What cabinet are you getting for it?
#29
Don't know yet. The Tolex looks like a match for the Blackheart cab with the Eminence, and I'm a bit OCD so it might be that, unless something else pops up. I've tried the Blackeart cab (as a former owner) so I know what I'm getting myself in for. Failing that, maybe the Harley Benton 2x12 with V30s from Thomann.

The guy from Valvepower recommended Chris Uff from EVA but after checking their prices, it would require too much saving up, especially with Xmas just round the corner. I might even look into one of the Marshall Haze cabs and see if I like it (I know Gabe didn't, or was it the other Greg?)
#30
It was I who disliked it. Seriously, don't get it. It's awful and with a small amp like that it will sound TOO harsh...
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#31
I got the Blackheart cab with mine, it sounds great to me

EDIT: I think the head would be wider than the Blackheart cab, if that would annoy you. It would probably annoy me...
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#32
i use the valve junior cab, which is quite nice, warm and mellow. but again, with your headshell version, as Cahum says, it'd probably be wider than the cab.
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