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axemanchris
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I thought this could prove to be an interesting thread. I was doing a bit of research on performers with vocal damage, and there are TONS.

The evidence that you need to sing properly is overwhelming.

Post any links you know of (that substantiate your claim) and let's build a list.

Adele - http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/17725

AFI – http://new.music.yahoo.com/afi/news/afi-cancels-tour-as-havok-blows-out-voice--12054364 - maybe not a good source?

Christina Aguilera - http://www.christina-aguilera.net/pastnews/apr04.html

Airbourne (Joel O'keefe) - http://www.roadrunnerrecords.ca/page/News?news_id=64872

Julie Andrews - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/6408165/Dame-Julie-Andrews-to-have-revolutionary-operation-on-vocal-cords.html

Avenged Sevenfold - http://www.smnnews.com/2008/09/11/avenged-sevenfold-cancel-remaining-us-shows/ http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=38946

Broken Social Scene - http://www.seemagazine.com/article/music/music-previews/landoftalk1106/

Bullet for My Valentine – http://www.dose.ca/music/story.html?id=e818f4d4-74ed-49a6-bcb3-cc83173bd1d0&k=53062 - maybe not a good source?

Chaka Kahn - http://uk.real.com/music/artist/Chaka_Khan/articles/358262/-related-articles-page-1/

Chris Cornell - http://www.dallasobserver.com/2000-03-02/music/chris-cornell/

Cinderella (Tom Keifer) - http://www.knac.com/article.asp?ArticleID=6360

Counting Crows (Adam Duritz) - http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1129&dat=19970902&id=it8NAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MW8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6699,471536

David Coverdale - http://www.thehighwaystar.com/news/2009/08/12/whitesnake-cancels-us-tour/

Creed - http://new.music.yahoo.com/creed/news/creeds-stapp-apologizes-for-postponements-announces-new-dates--12046076

Distillers - http://germany.real.com/music/artist/Queens_of_the_Stone_Age/articles/392610/-related-articles-page-6/

Dresden Dolls - http://dresdendollsdiary.blogspot.com/2008/01/goin-under-knife-northwest-shows.html

Whitney Houston - http://whitney-fan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=34523

Jet – http://www.jetmusic.co.uk/

Alicia Keys - http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN2322795320080423

Killswitch Engage - http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/killswitch-engage-singer-quits/

Dave Matthews – http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/09/01/blink-182-dave-matthews-band-postpone-concerts/

Mudvayne - http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/mudvayne-cancel-uk-tour/

NoMeansNo - http://www.onlineseats.com/nomeansno-tickets/index.asp

Mark Spano (Australlian Idol) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvPN1pzKa2M

Jordin Sparks - http://www.jordinsparks.com/us/node/6197

The Subways - http://www.nme.com/news/the-subways/22889

Sugarland - http://www.countrystandardtime.com/news/newsitem.asp?xid=3084

Justin Timberlake - http://www.kcra.com/news/14081286/detail.html

Tokyo Hotel - http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20186187,00.html

Steven Tyler (Aerosmith) - http://www.vh1.com/artists/news/1526788/20060322/tyler_steven.jhtml

The Used - http://www.chartattack.com/news/43913/the-used-cancel-june-and-july-tour-plans

Eddie Vedder - http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/09/01/blink-182-dave-matthews-band-postpone-concerts/

Venom - http://www.musicmight.com/artist/united+kingdom/tyne+and+wear/newcastle+upon+tyne/venom

Village People - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/arts/09iht-peepthu.1.14357208.html?_r=1

Surely, we'll all find sources that substantiate the myriad of other performers who have fallen to this.

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i love that chris cornell one- replacing his entire larynx with a siren and a tape of two cats having a shag...





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Haha, yeah, I feel like maybe the Chris Cornell one isn't accurate. Call it a hunch :-P

This is a very good point though. Many of us presume that simply because an artist sounds great on the album, it's natural for them. Not the case much of the time. Lots of these people are killing their vocal cords to get a powerful, aggressive sound, and because of studio enhancement, that aspect is hidden. Sounding cool does not necessarily mean a healthy approach.
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the guy from linkin park had to have surgery because he'd puke on stage from screaming so much... i have no source but i remember reading it somewhere years back
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Quote by theGlitch
the guy from linkin park had to have surgery because he'd puke on stage from screaming so much... i have no source but i remember reading it somewhere years back


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axemanchris
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Lots of things on the web suggesting that Cornell has screwed up his voice, though....

http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22chris+cornell%22+cancelled+vocal+damage&btnG=Search&hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enCA344CA344&sa=2

Not as much on the Linkin Park guy. I found some stuff talking about a hiatus hernia that caused him to puke, but not about vocal damage. If it's true (which wouldn't surprise me in the least), they have been pretty good at keeping shushed in the media.

CT
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And no mentions to Hetfield? Let's face it, great as Metallica is, James' vocals have deteriorated quite noticeably over time.
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Grant Nicholas from Feeder (household name in uk, probably not in US) - he collapsed on stage once from bleeding vocal chords or something.

Enter Shikari also had to pull out of some shows because of singers throat.
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Quote by axemanchris
Lots of things on the web suggesting that Cornell has screwed up his voice, though....

http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22chris+cornell%22+cancelled+vocal+damage&btnG=Search&hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enCA344CA344&sa=2

Not as much on the Linkin Park guy. I found some stuff talking about a hiatus hernia that caused him to puke, but not about vocal damage. If it's true (which wouldn't surprise me in the least), they have been pretty good at keeping shushed in the media.

CT


Yeah, such a shame too. Had he just held back a little pressure on the cords, he'd probably still be the powerhouse that he was. Such wonderful resonance on that man, he just pushed too hard sometimes.

Chester from Linkin Park has abysmal technique. The bridge part of Given Up is a pretty good example of why his cords might be acting up on him. Great singer, awesome range, just terrible technique.
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Quote by MAC2322
And no mentions to Hetfield? Let's face it, great as Metallica is, James' vocals have deteriorated quite noticeably over time.


We all know about his voice, but I couldn't find any real articles about it. But it is a perfect example of vocal damage.
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How do you even know if you are damaging your vocal chords? I can get pretty good grit, and I can do the "fake" screaming, but it never hurts me... not like I hurt myself when I first started singing!

I only hurt when I push for that extra note. I never feel veins popping out of my head. My throat used to get raspy after aggressive singing but not much anymore as I have changed my technique a little bit.

But it seems the consensus here is that, if you do aggressive rock singing, you will eventually hurt your voice. ?
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Quote by guitardude11
How do you even know if you are damaging your vocal chords? I can get pretty good grit, and I can do the "fake" screaming, but it never hurts me... not like I hurt myself when I first started singing!

I only hurt when I push for that extra note. I never feel veins popping out of my head. My throat used to get raspy after aggressive singing but not much anymore as I have changed my technique a little bit.

But it seems the consensus here is that, if you do aggressive rock singing, you will eventually hurt your voice. ?


I don't know about that. My style these days can be aggressive, and I rarely suffer any vocal fatigue, certainly nothing that lasts into the next day. You just have to be careful not to overdo it.

Ideally, your voice should never hurt you. Even when you're pushing for a note (Actually, ideally, you should never push for any note, unless it's very, very high.)
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I thought this would be an interesting one to add, one of our Australian Idol contestants last year was originally a vocalist for a rock band, close to getting a contract. However bad singing technique did bad stuff. Check out the vid below for a quick story and his audition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvPN1pzKa2M
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axemanchris
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Good one!

*added*

I quite like his voice, but you can tell that he still insists on singing from his throat. I wonder how long it will be before he is sidelined again for another two years... or longer.

CT

PS> YOu feelin' okay.... yer lookin' a little green!!
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Quote by MAC2322
And no mentions to Hetfield? Let's face it, great as Metallica is, James' vocals have deteriorated quite noticeably over time.

whether you think his vocals have deteriorated or not, he doesn't stress his voice so he doesn't have many issues singing.
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Quote by axemanchris
Good one!

*added*

I quite like his voice, but you can tell that he still insists on singing from his throat. I wonder how long it will be before he is sidelined again for another two years... or longer.

CT

PS> YOu feelin' okay.... yer lookin' a little green!!


Yeah I actually like his voice a lot, but I found it interesting that he was so close to success before his voice got done.

And yes, my greenness is umm, green.
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Chris Barnes.

It was just too much weed and also, Corey Taylor.
axemanchris
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Surprisingly, I could find lots of references that alleged these two had surgeries, I couldn't find any sources that seemed legit somehow.

CT
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Quote by z4twenny
whether you think his vocals have deteriorated or not, he doesn't stress his voice so he doesn't have many issues singing.


He doesn't anymore. Just like most of the people on this list, they've learned from their mistakes. Hetfield completely butchered his vocal chords from Kill 'Em All to the Black Album. He changed for the reason that he stressed his voice too much.
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I've never heard of any official reports of damage, but Billy Corgan during the Mellon Collie era.

As much as I love his music, it's painful to listen to him try and get through some of those shows back then.
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Ian Gillan (Deep Purple) and Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull)

Saw them both in the past year and they were both struggling. Ian Anderson completely changed the way he sings. He can still play the hell out of that flute, though...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_fold_nodule

This article lists a number of artists (some already cited) who suffered from vocal nodules. Obviously it's wikipedia so you can't believe everything you read. Some (Natalie Imbruglia for example) say that surgery made improvements to the artist's voice, but I don't know enough of Natalie Imbruglia's material to make any sort of decision and I certainly wouldn't want to go through surgery in the chance that my voice would be better afterwards!

I had heard that Ian Gillan only had half of his vocal chords left after undergoing a number of operations. I have not been able to find any evidence that this information is true.
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I saw that Wiki article. It seems to be a good starting point, but most of the people claimed on the list are unsubstantiated.

CT
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Quote by blood8815
It was just too much weed and also, Corey Taylor.

what does pot have to do with anything?


EDIT: i am only curious because i am a chronic user, and also a screamer. and the claims about how 'Chris Barnes could get so low because of his pot use..." (saw that in a wiki article about him) seems about right with me too. i can get alot lower screaming then i can even do so talking. weird...but seems to be true, at least with me.
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Quote by xXMetal-HeadXx
what does pot have to do with anything?


EDIT: i am only curious because i am a chronic user, and also a screamer. and the claims about how 'Chris Barnes could get so low because of his pot use..." (saw that in a wiki article about him) seems about right with me too. i can get alot lower screaming then i can even do so talking. weird...but seems to be true, at least with me.


load of shit imo. Smoking anything will slowly **** your voice over, but I can't see anyone being able to smoke enough weed to severely damage their vocal cords. Smoking pot won't lower your voice, but screaming like that would let you scream at lower pitches than you can sing since you're actually using vocal fry instead of your modal voice.
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load of shit imo. Smoking anything will slowly **** your voice over, but I can't see anyone being able to smoke enough weed to severely damage their vocal cords. Smoking pot won't lower your voice, but screaming like that would let you scream at lower pitches than you can sing since you're actually using vocal fry instead of your modal voice.

i dont think its the weed that is doing any damage. i think its how much it dries out your throat that is probably doing it. i swear i heard somewhere smoking cigs actually relaxes the vocal chords . I noticed quite the difference when i didnt smoke for a while. the only real difference i found was how "lubed" up my throat was. smoking just seems to dry ya out.

i was just curious if just smoking weed causes damage because of the claim "no he just smokes alot of weed." which now makes ZERO sense as to why he had vocal issues.

EDIT: now that i read my original post that sentance off wiki makes no sense lol. what does weed have to do with vocal fry?!
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Hey you guys talking about smoking while singing: Check out Nat King Cole. Def not a rocker (he is waaaaaay old school) but he was known for taking a huge drag on a cig, and singing through the smoke. It gave him that raspy sound he was known for.....it also tore his voice up.
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Smoking weed will most definitely do damage to vocal cords and not to mention breath control. I find that after a long weekend of toking up I can't get the same depth of breath that I usually can, but it clears up after a day or so.

I find that while smoking is detrimental to the voice, it also provides an interesting tone.
All The Beatles smoked.
Dave Matthews smokes.
John Mayer smokes.
Kyo (dir en grey) smokes.
Bob Marley...need I say more?

You won't hear any of those singers hitting broadway belting notes but they are still considered some of the best just for their tone and creativity.
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The odd thing is even with vocal damage, these pro singers still sound like pros. Their tone may be bad, but their ability to control volume and change pitch is still amazing. So when we hear it, it still sounds, "pro".

Another example I can think of is Bruce Springsteen
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Quote by veggielover
The odd thing is even with vocal damage, these pro singers still sound like pros. Their tone may be bad, but their ability to control volume and change pitch is still amazing. So when we hear it, it still sounds, "pro".


If this was true, then why do they all postpone shows and cancel tours?

CT
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Quote by axemanchris
If this was true, then why do they all postpone shows and cancel tours?

CT



Obviously I am not referring to singers with injured vocals, but those who had injured vocals at some points in their career. You can tell their tone is not good, but they can still sound like a "pro" . This just proves that tone may be overrated.
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Quote by veggielover
not good..."like a "pro" .

subjective.
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proves

objective.
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^yeah was from cocaine use IIRC
his voice deepened so ****ing much after that, I haven't listened to him that much but its so obvious comparing his performances before and after the surgery
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Using substances or smoking (anything) when you are a singer, especially a professional one, is extremely careless and negligent when you count on your voice for a paycheck. It would be like putting acid on your guitar neck, or leaving your amp on overnight then throwing it in the snow so all the parts shatter or some other ridiculous thing. Except in the case of your voice, you can't replace it. I can get another guitar, I can't get another voice.

I mean you put your guitar in a case right? Why not take steps to protect your voice as well?
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Using substances or smoking (anything) when you are a singer, especially a professional one, is extremely careless and negligent when you count on your voice for a paycheck. It would be like putting acid on your guitar neck, or leaving your amp on overnight then throwing it in the snow so all the parts shatter or some other ridiculous thing. Except in the case of your voice, you can't replace it. I can get another guitar, I can't get another voice.

I mean you put your guitar in a case right? Why not take steps to protect your voice as well?


Nah man, I always keep my guitar near a fireplace. I like the sound of a guitar that has been damaged by fire. It has that rough edginess, it's so metal. I also like to pour some alcohol on the electronics. Oh, and on top of that, I like to thrash it so hard the strings snap every time I pick it up.

Now, this sounds ridiculous to many people, right? Replace "guitar" with "voice". Alcohol, drugs, and overall misuse is a sure-fire way to permanently damage your voice.
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Quote by Cheeseman07
^yeah was from cocaine use IIRC
his voice deepened so ****ing much after that, I haven't listened to him that much but its so obvious comparing his performances before and after the surgery

im not sure if drugs would do that though. nodes come from belting to much i believe with bad technique. they are like calluses on your vocal chords. they can reduce your range and and make your voice raspy.

i think part of his voice being deeper is his age. everyones voice gets deeper with age. clapton is like that.