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#1
I want to get good sounding chugs, or palm mutes, that sound really good. Only problem is I have a Peavey Classic 30. Obviously my first problem. Any pedal that I can use to achieve this effect?
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#2
an overdrive would be your best bet save for getting a different amp.
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#4
A distortion pedal would do you well. Or maybe an EQ so you can tweak and boost.

What's the matter with the sound you have now? Hard to suggest anything if we don't really know what the problem is.
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#5
Quote by SimplyBen
A distortion pedal would do you well. Or maybe an EQ so you can tweak and boost.

What's the matter with the sound you have now? Hard to suggest anything if we don't really know what the problem is.

Theres nothing wrong with the amp and sound I have. I actually enjoy it. Its just not heavy enough, and I was wondering if anything can help me get it heavier. I know its a Classic 30, so Im not thinking Im gonna get metal amp tones. Just something that will help it get a little more heavier.
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#6
Distortion pedal or a Simulator Pedal
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#8
Try an OD. The Classic 30 can get br00tz.
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#9
Don't flame me.
What I'm about to say is truth.


The guitar body makes the most difference in this.
My friend has a Wasburn X50, while I have an Epi G-400.

My guitar does not chug. It can not chug. Not on a JCM800, not on a 5150. It lacks the low end. No, it is NOT the pickups. It is the size of the body. It's super thin and does not have the deep sound of a thicker mohagony body like the X50 or a Les Paul. It's just not enough resonance. The Classic 30 is all the amp you will ever need, and I'd would have one if I had the money.

I just found the body thickness to make a world's difference for this type of thing.
#10
^SG's cant chug?
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#11
It can chug, it's just not the same though.

It doesn't get that low, brootal, death metal chug.
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^SG's cant chug?
Brent Hinds would like a word with you..

Indeed he would. Might I suggest the new Mastodon tones thread?
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#13
given that the peavey classic 30 is a super midsey amp, I almost always scoop it, kind of...

bass 6
mids 3
treble 8

gain around 9... bridge pickup, humbuckers...

it works for me


edit: TS has a les paul, body heft is not an issue here...
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#14
I could get that low, brootal death metal chug on an MIM Strat with a 'bucker and a decent gainy amp, eq'd for chugging.

It's all really about the amp and the pups. But mostly the amp. Can you get a chug out of a JMP? Yes, Mastodon does it all the time, with overdrives.

Is it the same as the chug from a Diezal VH-4? No. So it's really all about the type of chug you want.

The br00talz chug comes from the amp and pickups.
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#16
I vote for 3.

You can never boost it enough.
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#17
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I vote for 3.

You can never boost it enough.


Or maybe he can OD the OD which is being OD'ed by another OD...

You can never have enough gain... even with 4 ODs.
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#18
I used to run two ODs when I had my Palo, and ran my RC-20 in the loop with the output maxed.

Sounded like pure sex, but only when it was loud. Which is part of why I sold it. I miss it though...
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#19
Try a distortion pedal running through the amp to a graphic eq. I don't use D pedals but I used to and believe me thats the way to go
#21
Alot of this is down to technique too, mate. I've never had a problem getting that distinctive "chug" sound with my rig. You can even get it on an acoustic if you dig in a bit.
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#22
You need an OD, or a decent distortion pedal, something like a Blackstar Dist-X or a Mesa V-Twin.
#23
Quote by Crydius
Don't flame me.
What I'm about to say is truth.


The guitar body makes the most difference in this.
My friend has a Wasburn X50, while I have an Epi G-400.

My guitar does not chug. It can not chug. Not on a JCM800, not on a 5150. It lacks the low end. No, it is NOT the pickups. It is the size of the body. It's super thin and does not have the deep sound of a thicker mohagony body like the X50 or a Les Paul. It's just not enough resonance. The Classic 30 is all the amp you will ever need, and I'd would have one if I had the money.

I just found the body thickness to make a world's difference for this type of thing.


I'd say that its all about the strings and EQ.

Max out the bass, scoop the mids, throw some .12s on there or something.
#25
Quote by Crydius
Don't flame me.
What I'm about to say is truth.


The guitar body makes the most difference in this.
My friend has a Wasburn X50, while I have an Epi G-400.

My guitar does not chug. It can not chug. Not on a JCM800, not on a 5150. It lacks the low end. No, it is NOT the pickups. It is the size of the body. It's super thin and does not have the deep sound of a thicker mohagony body like the X50 or a Les Paul. It's just not enough resonance. The Classic 30 is all the amp you will ever need, and I'd would have one if I had the money.

I just found the body thickness to make a world's difference for this type of thing.

In other words:
I can't chug because I'm too much of a pussy to play the guitar - I don't have something called tone in my fingers (whatever that means!) so I have to make do with sniping on awesome classic guitar designs like the SG.

Go suck a lemon, retard!

TS, you need a distortion/OD pedal and maybe an EQ
#27
Quote by Nilpferdkoenig
I'd say that its all about the strings and EQ.

Max out the bass, scoop the mids, throw some .12s on there or something.


NO. NO!

In essence. Maxing out the bass will give you a nice amount of mud, scooping isn't necessary. The .12's may be a good idea though.

TS, take your amp to a shop, or find a shop with your amp. Sit down with loads of OD pedals and just boost it until it does as it's told.
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#28
Quote by Crydius
Don't flame me.
What I'm about to say is truth.


The guitar body makes the most difference in this.
My friend has a Wasburn X50, while I have an Epi G-400.

My guitar does not chug. It can not chug. Not on a JCM800, not on a 5150. It lacks the low end. No, it is NOT the pickups. It is the size of the body. It's super thin and does not have the deep sound of a thicker mohagony body like the X50 or a Les Paul. It's just not enough resonance. The Classic 30 is all the amp you will ever need, and I'd would have one if I had the money.

I just found the body thickness to make a world's difference for this type of thing.



You deserve to be flamed.


SGs are probably one of the heaviest toned guitars out there. And they aren't chambered like almost all LPs these days, so they are generally much denser in a way.

Doesn't the X50 have EMGs or SD JB? If so, it's definitely the pickups.
#29
SG's can do metal. I've done it before.

What you need is an amp with good bass response, a good amount of gain (read as: something with gain around the level of a Mesa Mark III or IIC+/Marshall JCM900/whatever) and a nice high output bridge pickup (the Seymour Duncan Duncan Distortion is one I like).
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#30
Quote by SimplyBen
NO. NO!

In essence. Maxing out the bass will give you a nice amount of mud, scooping isn't necessary. The .12's may be a good idea though.

TS, take your amp to a shop, or find a shop with your amp. Sit down with loads of OD pedals and just boost it until it does as it's told.


I always have it maxed out, I like the sound.
#31
simply ben is right. just boost your amp and eq it until you get enough chunk. then if it is not the kind of chug you want, get a new amp.
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#32
Quote by Crydius
Don't flame me.
What I'm about to say is truth.


The guitar body makes the most difference in this.
My friend has a Wasburn X50, while I have an Epi G-400.

My guitar does not chug. It can not chug. Not on a JCM800, not on a 5150. It lacks the low end. No, it is NOT the pickups. It is the size of the body. It's super thin and does not have the deep sound of a thicker mohagony body like the X50 or a Les Paul. It's just not enough resonance. The Classic 30 is all the amp you will ever need, and I'd would have one if I had the money.

I just found the body thickness to make a world's difference for this type of thing.




I have a 61 Reissue SG and it gets a way nicer chug on high gain amps than most guitars I've played, and that's with stock low output pickups.
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#33
Quote by Nilpferdkoenig
I'd say that its all about the strings and EQ.

Max out the bass, scoop the mids, throw some .12s on there or something.


you don't really need extreme EQ, even though you do need a lot in the 350-700 hz range to get the grind. i agree with strings though, one time i was bored and i put 12-56's on my squier, it sounded so massive. and body thickness is definetely a factor, even if not the biggest, play on an ibanez S series, and then on a les paul, without an amp, and you'll be able to hear a difference. technique is definetely not something to forget about either, when you're trying to play metal you cant pussy out on rhythm parts, you gotta dig in
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#34
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TS, i'd just do what some others have already said. get yourself an overdrive and an EQ pedal and you can get that amp to sound heavy as hell.

also, turn it up a bit. i know that power tube clipping can loosen up an amp, but to a certain extent, i think it helps. tube amps just sing when you get those tubes cookin' a bit. ignore the bs about the SGs and Washburns or whatever.

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#35
Quote by Crydius
Don't flame me.
What I'm about to say is truth.


The guitar body makes the most difference in this.
My friend has a Wasburn X50, while I have an Epi G-400.

My guitar does not chug. It can not chug. Not on a JCM800, not on a 5150. It lacks the low end. No, it is NOT the pickups. It is the size of the body. It's super thin and does not have the deep sound of a thicker mohagony body like the X50 or a Les Paul. It's just not enough resonance. The Classic 30 is all the amp you will ever need, and I'd would have one if I had the money.

I just found the body thickness to make a world's difference for this type of thing
Oh, I am so glad now that I know this, I am so glad that I do not have a Jackson Soloist.

Wait, what?

http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/SG/Epiphone/G-400.aspx

Mahagony neck glued into a mahagony body? Weird.

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#36
There are several metal-oriented overdrive pedals that will do what you're looking for without completely destroying your "tube tone" so to speak:
Krank Krankshaft
Marshall Jackhammer(overdrive setting only)
Tech21 XXL original

Or you could go straight to a distortion pedal like a:
krank distortus maximus
Guyatone metal monster
Hardwire tl-2
#37
Quote by Crydius
Don't flame me.
What I'm about to say is truth.


The guitar body makes the most difference in this.
My friend has a Wasburn X50, while I have an Epi G-400.

My guitar does not chug. It can not chug. Not on a JCM800, not on a 5150. It lacks the low end. No, it is NOT the pickups. It is the size of the body. It's super thin and does not have the deep sound of a thicker mohagony body like the X50 or a Les Paul. It's just not enough resonance. The Classic 30 is all the amp you will ever need, and I'd would have one if I had the money.

I just found the body thickness to make a world's difference for this type of thing.






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#38
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Go suck a lemon, retard!

TS, you need a distortion/OD pedal and maybe an EQ


Take a chill pill, dude. No need to insult other users, especially since he wasn't even rude in his original post. Misinformed? Yes. Deserving of what you just said? No. Wood does influence sound, though. Darker wood such as mahogany might be perceived as giving a better chug than a bright wood such as alder.
#39
If I can get chug out of my AC30 day in and day out, you can definitely do it with a Classic 30. Go to my profile....listen to the song Shipwrecks and A Saving Grace if you don't believe it. Especially the last 45 seconds of it. One of my bandmates has a Classic 50 and it has more than enough gain to play t3h br00ts. The biggest thing is how you have it EQ'd. Play with your EQ settings some...you can certainly coax those tones out. A decent OD definitely can help push it over the top too
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#40
Okay well people are giving you some pretty bad information.

I actually own a Classic 30 and this is how I achieve my metal tones.


I use a maxon od-808 overdrive, as a boost to get the amp gain where it needs to be.

DO NOT USE THE BOOST ON THE AMP!!!

The boost button on the amp makes it sound bad for metal. It's good for like blues on the clean channel at low volumes, that's it. Even than I wouldn't recommend it, an OD works much better. This is the key to good tone on the C30, not using the boost button.

Use a guitar with humbuckers and your basically set.

I usually go about 6 on the bass, 4-5 on mids and 7-8 on treble, depends on the guitar of course.

My godin does metal on my classic 30 amazingly, it's got pretty high output p-ups as well.

Also, turn up the volume a bit on the post gain, and crank the pre-gain to 12.
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