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"Feds: No more arrests for pot-smoking patients
New guidelines will apply in 14 states allowing medical use of marijuana."


This is an amazing change for states that have legal med pot. It's nice to see a promise from Obama fulfilled.



Feds: No more arrests for pot-smoking patients
New guidelines will apply in 14 states allowing medical use of marijuana
The Associated Press
updated 8:02 a.m. PT, Mon., Oct . 19, 2009

WASHINGTON - Pot-smoking patients or their sanctioned suppliers should not be targeted for federal prosecution in states that allow medical marijuana, prosecutors were told Monday in a new policy memo issued by the Justice Department.

Under the policy spelled out in a three-page legal memo, federal prosecutors are being told it is not a good use of their time to arrest people who use or provide medical marijuana in strict compliance with state law.

The guidelines being issued by the department do, however, make it clear that federal agents will go after people whose marijuana distribution goes beyond what is permitted under state law or use medical marijuana as a cover for other crimes.

The memo advises prosecutors they "should not focus federal resources in your states on individuals whose actions are in clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state laws providing for the medical use of marijuana."

The new policy is a significant departure from the Bush administration, which insisted it would continue to enforce federal anti-pot laws regardless of state codes.

"It will not be a priority to use federal resources to prosecute patients with serious illnesses or their caregivers who are complying with state laws on medical marijuana, but we will not tolerate drug traffickers who hide behind claims of compliance with state law to mask activities that are clearly illegal," Attorney General Eric Holder said in a statement.

Fourteen states allow some use of marijuana for medical purposes: Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington.

California stands out among those for the widespread presence of dispensaries — businesses that sell marijuana and even advertise their services. Colorado also has several dispensaries, and Rhode Island and New Mexico are in the process of licensing providers, according to the Marijuana Policy Project, a group that promotes the decriminalization of marijuana use.

Holder said in March that he wanted federal law enforcement officials to pursue those who violate both federal and state law, but it has not been clear how that goal would be put into practice.

The memo spelling out the policy was sent Monday to federal prosecutors in the 14 states, and also to top officials at the FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration.

The memo written by Deputy Attorney General David Ogden emphasizes that prosecutors have wide discretion in choosing which cases to pursue, and says it is not a good use of federal manpower to prosecute those who are without a doubt in compliance with state law.

"This is a major step forward," said Bruce Mirken, communications director for the Marijuana Policy Project. "This change in policy moves the federal government dramatically toward respecting scientific and practical reality."

At the same time, officials said, the government will still prosecute those who use medical marijuana as a cover for other illegal activity.

In particular, the memo urges prosecutors to pursue marijuana cases which involve violence, the illegal use of firearms, selling pot to minors, money laundering or involvement in other crimes.

And while the policy memo describes a change in priorities away from prosecuting medical marijuana cases, it does not rule out the possibility that the federal government could still prosecute someone whose activities are allowed under state law.

The memo, officials said, is designed to give a sense of prosecutorial priorities to U.S. attorneys in the states that allow medical marijuana. It notes that pot sales in the United States are the largest source of money for violent Mexican drug cartels, but adds that federal law enforcement agencies have limited resources.

Medical marijuana advocates have been anxious to see exactly how the administration would implement candidate Barack Obama's repeated promises to change the policy in situations in which state laws allow the use of medical marijuana.

Soon after Obama took office, DEA agents raided four dispensaries in Los Angeles, prompting confusion about the government's plans.

Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.



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This is an amazing change for states that have legal med pot. It's nice to see a promise from Obama fulfilled.


Sorry for the deceptive thread title.
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#3
The guidelines being issued by the department do, however, make it clear that federal agents will go after people whose marijuana distribution goes beyond what is permitted under state law or use medical marijuana as a cover for other crimes.


So that doesn't really make it legal then.
#5
So nothing has changed for the guys who just wanna get high?
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#7
this is really good, but this doesn't have to do much with weed being legal.
it's good that all these patients that need their medicine won't get arrested, or the doctors or suppliers just doing their job.
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#8
I am high right now and support this message.
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Quote by Survivalism
So that doesn't really make it legal then.


It's legal for those who follow the guidelines in states where it's legal.

Some people use a prescription as a cover. Say they're legally allowed 6 plants, but actually grow 50 and then sell it on the street. When arrested, the dealers say they're "legal" but aren't in any way.
#10
Quote by Survivalism
So that doesn't really make it legal then.

Did you understand the part you're referring to? It makes it legal to distribute marijuana as long as you are within your states guidelines and laws. The 14 states that have medicinal marijuana use have dispensaries that can legally distribute the pot to patients. It was saying that states will still go after people who are selling marijuana illegally and for personal, not medicinal, use.


I don't care what you guys think, but I believe pot is great for use as a medicine.

The people who disagree have probably never smoked pot and just believe all the anti-drug coalitions and what they say about it.
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Quote by \m/Angus\m/
Did you understand the part you're referring to? It makes it legal to distribute marijuana as long as you are within your states guidelines and laws. The 14 states that have medicinal marijuana use have dispensaries that can legally distribute the pot to patients. It was saying that states will still go after people who are selling marijuana illegally and for personal, not medicinal, use.


I don't care what you guys think, but I believe pot is great for use as a medicine.

The people who disagree have probably never smoked pot and just believe all the anti-drug coalitions and what they say about it.

this.

i also believe that as a country we are slowly becoming more accepting of it and it will be completely legal within 20 years. especially if obama continues the "let the states decide" mentality.
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Quote by Tire Me.
It's legal for those who follow the guidelines in states where it's legal.

Some people use a prescription as a cover. Say they're legally allowed 6 plants, but actually grow 50 and then sell it on the street. When arrested, the dealers say they're "legal" but aren't in any way.


it's not legal in any state. These are not covers for anything, medical cannabis has a large variety of uses, even to treat lung cancer... To the bolded part, this never happens... what happens is, is that medical cannabis is legal for prescription in certain states, but not on a federal level. The bush administration's DEA tried to shut down doctors, patients and suppliers with no warrants saying that it is illegal for them to have this medical cannabis or these plants on a federal level.

EDIT : What Obama is doing, is letting state laws rule over federal laws, and not interfering with medical cannabis, leaving those doctors, patients and suppliers unharmed.
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Last edited by illuminatiano at Oct 20, 2009,
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Quote by mental_zer0
this.

i also believe that as a country we are slowly becoming more accepting of it and it will be completely legal within 20 years. especially if obama continues the "let the states decide" mentality.

This is just the first step on the road to the full fledged revival of the Confederacy!


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#17
Glad to see the DT regulars in here making sure people got their facts straight.


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#18
How hard is it to get a prescription for medical mary jane in the states? What kind of illness does one need?
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Quote by \m/Angus\m/

I don't care what you guys think, but I believe pot is great for use as a medicine.

The people who disagree have probably never smoked pot and just believe all the anti-drug coalitions and what they say about it.


I do think it is great medicinal use...but don't assume anything. I haven't smoked pot, but I know it does have side effects..same with smoking and alchohol. It's not always such a harmless drug, ya know?

I'm not trying to start an argument with you or anything, but it does have psychological effects...anything unnatural causing psychological effects can't be used for extended periods of time without negative effects occuring is all i'm saying.
Last edited by severed-metal at Oct 20, 2009,
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Quote by severed-metal
I do think it is great medicinal use...but don't assume anything. I haven't smoked pot, but I know it does have side effects..same with smoking and alchohol. It's not always such a harmless drug, ya know?


Except alcohol is deadly, pot ain't.

Quote by severed-metal
It's not always such a harmless drug, ya know?


Yeah, it is.
Last edited by bubbamc119 at Oct 20, 2009,
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Quote by severed-metal
I do think it is great medicinal use...but don't assume anything. I haven't smoked pot, but I know it does have side effects..same with smoking and alchohol. It's not always such a harmless drug, ya know?

Side effects compared to what drug that its being substituted for? It is so much more safe for you then half of the bullshit drugs they give aids, cancer, and almost any other illness or pain it is being used for. It doesn't have anywhere close for the potential of addiction as opiates do and definitely isn't messing up your liver from too much APAP.


No, there are no psychological effects. If anything, it will relieve stress and anxiety. It is not going to make you crazy, or stupid, or even smarter. You will still think the same exact way about things as you did before, and hell, you might actually be a little bit more open minded.


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Quote by severed-metal
I do think it is great medicinal use...but don't assume anything. I haven't smoked pot, but I know it does have side effects..same with smoking and alchohol. It's not always such a harmless drug, ya know?

really, the only major medical issue it actually causes would be lung damage, but unlike tobacco, you don't have to smoke it to get it's effects. make some low-dosage brownies, away go the symptoms, minus the coughing.
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Quote by bubbamc119
How hard is it to get a prescription for medical mary jane in the states? What kind of illness does one need?


There are of course ways to get around having an actual disease. You could use anxiety, insomnia and some other minor symptoms that could get you a license. Some doctors will let you go with no records of symptoms in the past but some will be a little bit more strict and will give regular tests in order to make sure the medical cannabis is put to a good use. The license is 100 bucks or so if I recall, and you have to be 18 and over of course. Do some google'ing for details.
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Last edited by illuminatiano at Oct 20, 2009,
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Quote by bubbamc119
Except alcohol is deadly, pot ain't.


Well, true. Not what I was getting at, but ok.

I'm just saying that they all have their fair share of negative effects
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Quote by severed-metal
I do think it is great medicinal use...but don't assume anything. I haven't smoked pot, but I know it does have side effects..same with smoking and alchohol. It's not always such a harmless drug, ya know?

Bloodshot eyes, increased appetite and pus-filled hives all over the genitals are the most common I believe.
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Quote by severed-metal

I'm just saying that they all have their fair share of negative effects


What negative effects are there from pot? Just asking.
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Quote by severed-metal
Well, true. Not what I was getting at, but ok.

I'm just saying that they all have their fair share of negative effects

just curious, what are the effects you are thinking of?
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Quote by severed-metal
Well, true. Not what I was getting at, but ok.

I'm just saying that they all have their fair share of negative effects


I agree that they all have their own share of side effects, but whether those of cannabis compare to those of tobacco or alcohol is another story.
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Quote by \m/Angus\m/
Side effects compared to what drug that its being substituted for? It is so much more safe for you then half of the bullshit drugs they give aids, cancer, and almost any other illness or pain it is being used for. It doesn't have anywhere close for the potential of addiction as opiates do and definitely isn't messing up your liver from too much APAP.


Well, true. Again..that is all true.

But, people can't pass it off as nothing. Its been proven to have mind altering effects, no?

I know it's no where near as bad as most of the drugs out there...but, it's not entirely perfect either.
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pretty cool.

i know if i lived in amsterdam or w/e i would smoke weed everynight. because its illegal its more hard to get weed all the time. a few times ive smoked or consumed hash for a month or 2 and felt really shit afterwards. also my brain was pretty messed up in college, i had memory problems some depression as well as memory problems.
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Quote by severed-metal
Well, true. Again..that is all true.

But, people can't pass it off as nothing. Its been proven to have mind altering effects, no?


Of course it's mind altering, otherwise, why would one smoke it? Just like alcohol.

Once it wears off though, you're straight - there are no long term effects.

btw severed-metal, do a google search on why pot was made illegal in the first place. I think you will be shocked.
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^ You'd be surprised. I am not starting an argument or anything. Correct me if i'm wrong with proof, and i'll gladly believe you. But, a mind altering unnatural substance entering a human's body cannot have only positive effects after long term usage. Hence why I said it's useful as medicinal since it is for short term use.

Quote by mental_zer0
just curious, what are the effects you are thinking of?


This is to answer the other fellows post as well.

Well, I will start off with saying that anything unnatural entering a human body, and having mind altering effects will not always turn out as expected.

I have two prime examples of stoners here, easily irritated, slower thinking ability, and more prone to bursts of anger. Doesn't have the same effects all around, but saying pot is completely harmless is a little naive, no offense. If that is what you are saying.

Mind-altering effects would also include an altered sense of reality as well.
Last edited by severed-metal at Oct 20, 2009,
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Quote by severed-metal

I have two prime examples of stoners here, easily irritated, slower thinking ability, and more prone to bursts of anger.


You're confusing pot with alcohol. Pot has never made anyone angry, or caused them to beat their wife, or caused them to smash a bottle over someones head etc etc.

All I'm saying is, it's a MUCH safer drug than alcohol, and alcohol is legal.

Did you know that pot was originally made illegal for racial reasons? Black people supposedly smoked it, so it was prohibited.
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Quote by severed-metal
Well, true. Again..that is all true.

But, people can't pass it off as nothing. Its been proven to have mind altering effects, no?

I know it's no where near as bad as most of the drugs out there...but, it's not entirely perfect either.


well of course it's not "perfect"

Most people however can pass it off as nothing. Many people smoke weed everyday for years and the only side effects experienced are 3% lung deficiency, a psychological addiction ( keep in mind a psychological addictions is nothing close to a physical addiction, but is an "addiction" by the term ) and a lot of money spent. I'm not saying everyone should smoke weed everyday ( ignore I just said that ) but when comparing its side effects to all the other medicinal prescription drugs, not even the illegal ones, cannabis is ultimately safer and has many more uses.

edit : altered sense of reality ? In my opinion, that's probably one of the best effects of cannabis. So small yet there.
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Quote by bubbamc119
You're confusing pot with alcohol. Pot has never made anyone angry, or caused them to beat their wife, or caused them to smash a bottle over someones head etc etc.


Possibly...these prime examples were idiots. Ok, so anger is wrong. I'll admit to that.

EDIT: illuminatio, sorry if I messed up your name. I gave you black metal and you turn on me!

I will admit however safer it is, it's still not 100% safe. I can't say anything more without repeating myself. I'd rather smoke pot than drink alchohol, but then again...I rarely do either
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Quote by severed-metal
This is to answer the other fellows post as well.

Well, I will start off with saying that anything unnatural entering a human body, and having mind altering effects will not always turn out as expected.

I have two prime examples of stoners here, easily irritated, slower thinking ability, and more prone to bursts of anger. Doesn't have the same effects all around, but saying pot is completely harmless is a little naive, no offense. If that is what you are saying.

Mind-altering effects would also include an altered sense of reality as well.

wat?


No.


No.


No.


You are not prone to bursts of anger. Where the hell did you get that? That is something you made up based on stereotypes. You are not easily irritated and I've never experience a true slowed thinking ability unless I was stoned at the time.

There is no altered sense of reality. You know you are still on planet earth and you know you are still a human. You aren't turning into some crazy, alien, psychopath when you smoke.
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Quote by severed-metal
I have two prime examples of stoners here, easily irritated, slower thinking ability, and more prone to bursts of anger. Doesn't have the same effects all around, but saying pot is completely harmless is a little naive, no offense. If that is what you are saying.

Mind-altering effects would also include an altered sense of reality as well.

I hardly believe half the crap about marijuana that they release. About it making brain cells grow back, making you think better, anything like that.

It gets me high, makes me cough hack and wheeze, its makes me lazy and stupid, but its so much fun and it feels so good.
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Quote by lucertia.
pretty cool.

i know if i lived in amsterdam or w/e i would smoke weed everynight. because its illegal its more hard to get weed all the time. a few times ive smoked or consumed hash for a month or 2 and felt really shit afterwards. also my brain was pretty messed up in college, i had memory problems some depression as well as memory problems.


+1

Weed isn't COMPLETELY harmless...I also developed some anxiety/depression issues and was getting panic attacks from smoking weed, not to mention that my perception of reality was completely messed up for anywhere from a week to a month after I smoked. I haven't smoked in probably about a year now and have personally been much better off. It was awesome before I started developing all of those mental problems though.

It just doesn't work for some people

edit: it IS generally safer than cigarettes and alcohol though. This is directed to anyone saying otherwise
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All its ever done for me is bring on intense sleepiness. That, and even just a toke or two of low grade ditch weed will cure a toothache within a few minutes. And that's not even smoking enough for a slight buzz.
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