#1
i play in a church, and i am looking to mic an amp, but i need something that will be lower volume than my 60-watt hot rod deville.

before everyone gets all crazy, the amp will go in another room, and will be mic'd. my amp will be in the mix with 5-10 horns, piano, organ, other guitars, drums, vocalists.... needless to say, i'm not going to be playing metal or anything like that, and i'm really not going to be standing out very often.

i am looking to get something that will give me a warm, tube sound (for clean and overdriven tones, with the OD from pedals), and at a lower volume (although a 5W amp is only 40% less loud than a 60W). i need the least amount of volume with a good warmth (without buying a kit).

i have been looking at 3 amps: the fender champ 600, the peavey valveking royal 8, and the gretsch electromatic G5222

the gretsch and fender look about the same. the peavey has a gain and tone knob which is nice, but i wont be adjusting either during the set. all sound changes will need to come from effects. it looks like the fender has a big following and a lot of documented mods, which i am not scared of trying (at least the easy ones).

anyone have any suggestions? i am looking at these 3 amps only (for some reason, you can ask people on this forum to help you choose between 2 or 3 things, and you'll get 9 suggestions for stuff not on your list).
#2
Epiphone Valve Jr?

Although i'm sure someone will come along with a better suggestion

EDIT: I don't know much about those 3 you're looking at but I hear good things about the Fender
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#4
The VoxAC 4 isn't 5 watts, but 4 is pretty damn close. It gives me a great smooth overdrive through my strat, and the cleans are to die for.
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You mean the Blackheart BH5H Little Giant?

Its a good tube amp that takes effect pedals very well.
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#7
i never ran across the Vox AC4TV. that looks like a pretty sweet amp.

i like the ability to switch down to 1W or .25W. can you get a decent distortion out of it with a tubescreamer?
#8
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He doesn't really want a lot of gain


Yeah, a Blackstar HT-5 wouldn't be right, but a Blackheart Little Giant would fit the bill.
#9
the blackheart is too much money. hell, the bulgera 5 watt is on sale for $100 at one of the music sites. that's almost worth compromising some tone for something that cheap.

i'd like to stay in the $150 range, but that vox looks nice too.
#10
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Yeah, a Blackstar HT-5 wouldn't be right, but a Blackheart Little Giant would fit the bill.


Yeah i've heard good things about the Blackheart range but never tried them because they looked "gimmicky" guess I shouldn't judge a book by it's cover lol
#11
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i am looking to get something that will give me a warm, tube sound (for clean and overdriven tones, with the OD from pedals), and at a lower volume (although a 5W amp is only 40% less loud than a 60W). i need the least amount of volume with a good warmth (without buying a kit).

If you want the least amount of volume have a look at the Vox AC4, it's switchable from 4 to 1 to 1/4 watt when you need it. Sounds great clean and if you can crank it it has nice OD, takes pedals well as well. And on top of that it has a 10" speaker which should sound a lot fuller than a 6" or an 8". Sorry for suggesting something else but it fits what you're looking for.
#12
i think you guys are right about the vox. it's $250, but it might be worth getting. it seems like a sweet amp, and i haven't read a bad review of it.

thanks for the advice. now i just need to convince the wife to let me spend $100 more than planned.
#13
My vote easily goes to the AC4TV. Best cheap tube amp I've played for cleans. I wasn't a fan of the loose OD, but with the help of a pedal like the tube screamer I'm sure it'll tighten up to a very good drive.

Just a side note, if you're a fan of Fender, check your local used market (newpaper ads, craigslist) and see if you can get a Blues Jr. I've found them (somehow, someway) in the under $300 range occationally on there. To comment on the Blackheart, I use one to play at church as well and I'm more than happy with it. You can get one used for the same price as a Vox AC4TV, and personally I find it to be more versatile than the Vox.

Without pedal help, I find the Blackheart to be more of the jack of all trades, master of one (nice thick distortion), while the Vox is more of a one-trick pony (great cleans/slight dirt).
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My vote easily goes to the AC4TV. Best cheap tube amp I've played for cleans. I wasn't a fan of the loose OD, but with the help of a pedal like the tube screamer I'm sure it'll tighten up to a very good drive.

Just a side note, if you're a fan of Fender, check your local used market (newpaper ads, craigslist) and see if you can get a Blues Jr. I've found them (somehow, someway) in the under $300 range occationally on there. To comment on the Blackheart, I use one to play at church as well and I'm more than happy with it. You can get one used for the same price as a Vox AC4TV, and personally I find it to be more versatile than the Vox.

Without pedal help, I find the Blackheart to be more of the jack of all trades, master of one (nice thick distortion), while the Vox is more of a one-trick pony (great cleans/slight dirt).
I actually found the Vox great for heavy stuff like Maiden. Cranking the low-wattage channel provided quite a convincing metal tone. But then again, I don't play metal, what do I know?

I'd go for the AC4, or if your wife doesn't let you, go for the Bugera V5.

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Vox ac4 is the best out of those.
Bugera V5 is nice also, much cheaper, but a bit darker and less chimey

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#17
My Betterhalf indulged me this Christmas with a Fender Champion 600. Clean is amazing. Not all that crazy about cranked but at about a 9..it sings for blues and jazz. Very responsive to your playing and GC was selling them for 100 bucks over the holidays. Just a thought that I didn't see in the thread
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#19
FYI, the Gretsch and the Champ have exactly the same circuit.
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Yeah, a Blackstar HT-5 wouldn't be right, but a Blackheart Little Giant would fit the bill.

yes yes. for some reason i always get blackheart and blackstar mixed up. i knew it wsa a mini stack tho. 5 watts. should do great for what you need