#1
I have wanted to own an electric guitar for a loooooong time. Now I have decided to get one, maybe a midlife crisis type of decision.
Now, I never played a guitar before (except air guitar) and would like to get one soon so I can play around with it. I have about 300 to spend and I need to get the guitar, amp, cables, strap etc. I'm looking at some packages being sold online at amazon, rondo music, music123, etc but I'm getting confused by the minute. The minute I make up my mind about one, I see something else that is a bit different or I read something negative about it.
Looks is important as well.
I will be spending maybe couple of hours a week with the guitar, I don't need an amp that will shake the house, just something simple to get me going. Also, I need to have a whammy bar because this is whatattracted me to guitars in the first place (I was 5 or 6 then).
So what should I be looking for as a beginner? Any recommendations? Should I go for the packaged ones?
I like the Les Paul replicas but non comes with the whammy bar...)-:

Any suggestions, help or pointing in the right direction is much appreciated.
Cheers
#2
You may want to rethink the budget. All you will find in that range is starter packs, which aren't that great. Also, should you decide against it later, you will not recoup your cash.
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#3
Type of music that you would be willing to play?
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#4
I started off with a Fender Squier Bullet and a Fender Frontman 15G amp.
The thing is, I have never played any other type of guitar and I have never played on any other type of amp. So I will never know how crappy my equipment is until I do. However, it's perfect for starting off. That's the thing, when you first start off playing guitar, you don't need anything super high quality. Buying a Les Paul for your first guitar would be unnecesary, but people do it.
You don't need much though dude, to get started. I still have my cheap ass fender bullet/frontman setup. But I'm not even good enough to be in a band so it does plenty of good for me.
Cables are like, 10-20 bucks and so are straps, so don't worry to much about that.

In my opinion, if your a begginer and you only have 300 dollars, and you want a guitar now, this is for you:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender-Affinity-Strat-HSS-and-Bullet-150-DSP-Amp-Value-Pack-512576-i1174771.gc

Or if you don't mind a 10watt amp:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender-SE-Special-Strat-with-Squier-SP-10-Amp-Value-Pack-104486238-i1177837.gc
#5
Thanks for the quick reply.
I'm afraid that my budget can't go above the 300 for this one. I know that I will not get something great. As for music, I like The rolling stones, U2, Guns n roses and def leppard.
#6
Epiphone special is a great guitar.. i believe the guitar costs 169.99? or something like that new you could get a used one for much lower and that leaves you a good bit to find a decent 10-15 watt amp and a strap, i don't care what anyone says my old epiphone special i still pick it up and play it sometimes its just sounds great
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#7
I got an Ibanez gax70 as my first guitar(still have it) for $250 and an amp(still my only amp ) for $50. Like some guys said above , youll only have to spend about $20 for straps and cables, so I hope that you can go $20 over your budget. The gax70 doesn't have a whammy bar(they are really overrated by those who haven't used one, I know, I own one) but its really close to the kind of guitar that your kind of bands used( Large, thick body, two humbuckers, same controls as a les paul, and a Tune-o-Matic bridge). Good luck with your first guitar!
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#8
ArcadianWarrior, Holysorrow and smartalec007, thank you for the reply and suggestions. I will take a look at them right now.


In the mean time, this is what I was looking at till now, what do you guys think of the following, are they any good?

http://www.rondomusic.com/ib4kmbk.html
http://www.rondomusic.com/callisto1k.html
http://www.rondomusic.com/product2477.html
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Laguna-Ultimate-Rock-Rack-Electric-Guitar-Pack-with-Spider-III-15W-Amp-3-Tone-Sunburst-773178-i1375180.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Epiphone-Les-Paul-Special-II-Player-Pack-102328770-i1150103.gc

Cheers
#9
http://www.music123.com/Ibanez-RG321-Electric-Guitar-512492-i1147796.Music123

Right thier dude. One of the best guitars I have ever owned. I've owned a TON of guitars too. I sold this and it is my biggest regret (besides my G&L that I sold). O mannn I may just have to buy one again. Its very solid, plays and sounds great for the price. I recommend this guitar over anything else out thier in that price range. This guitar beats the crap out of my schecter (which costed me about $550.)
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#10
Welcome New One! Believe us stay away from guitar packages, they are very low quality guitars and amps, you will quickly become dissatisfied with them. Also I would recommend you don't get a guitar with a Tremolo (whammy bar) as a first guitar because tremolos can cause tuning problems and they distract from the development of important guitar skills like vibrato. Now for equipment, kodos on finding Rondo music, they offer the best quality budget gear in my opinion. I own a SX guitar and it's great, so they are the real deal. Now for guitars I would say go with either a Les Paul, or a Telecaster style guitar, they both fit your desired genres well.
http://www.rondomusic.com/stl503ts.html
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http://www.rondomusic.com/shadowgold.html
http://www.rondomusic.com/product2643.html
http://www.rondomusic.com/callistolpb.html
All those guitars are well received at the Agile guitar Forum. Okay also don't forget to save money to get the guitar set up by a professional, I'm telling a 2k Gibson is going to sound like sh*t if it's not set up, so get your guitars set up by a competent pro.

Okay for amps I would suggest a small modeling amp, modeling amps emulate many different amp sounds in one amp. So lots of tones, one simple box. I would say for your desired sound go for a Vox Valvetronix amp, for the money very good classic amp sounds, I'm talking you'll get clean country tones (Fender), British invasion/U2 (Vox), full rock(Marshall), even some high gain metal sounds. Also you'll get some good effects and reverb all for 200 bucks. Yes I understand that 200 may be pushing it but seriously always spend more on your amp, always. The amp is 80% of your guitar tone. If you can't make 200 bucks there is the small portable version called the DA 5 but it has a small speaker so it might not sound as good as a amp with a bigger speaker.
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Vox-Valvetronix-VT15-15W-1x8-Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=483551
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Vox-DA5-Portable-Amplifier-?sku=482065

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#11
^ I completely agree. I was going to suggest an SX strat and Vox VT15 too. My SX is great.
#12
From what I've heard the Squier Affinity Telecaster is a pretty solid first guitar. Looks awesome as well.

As for an amp, I'd go with something like a Peavy Vypyr or, even better, a Vox Valvetronix if you can find one used.

I think the best thing I ever started doing was looking on my local Craigslist for good deals. You'll be able to pick up a good guitar and amp by beginner standards for your budget EASILY.
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#13
It will be impossible to find a guitar with a stable whammy bar at a low price range.

But how about getting a cheap, nice guitar to start with, and get one you really like later? Cheers.

Avoid starter packs man.
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#14
You've never played guitar. Forget bout the whammy until you have at least learned a few scales. I second the notion of looking at local ads.

I would personally advise you to start on acoustic before going all guitar hero. Also, if you don't have a lot of patience, invest in some guitar lessons.

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#15
belive me get something you like a good quality. If you end up getting crap it makes you not wanna play...
#16
get a good cable i heard a pretty huge difference between my old one (a fender) and a monster

you can find a good used 10ft monster cable for 5$ if you check in with a small shop enough.

you don't need a whammy bar
you can just move the string up and down and it will do the same thing.

whammys are fun to shake mid-slide though.
Last edited by Backflash33 at Oct 29, 2009,
#17
Quote by Backflash33
get a good cable i heard a pretty huge difference between my old one (a fender) and a monster

you can find a good used 10ft monster cable for 5$ if you check in with a small shop enough.

you don't need a whammy bar
you can just move the string up and down and it will do the same thing.

whammys are fun to shake mid-slide though.


Just remember that he might be talking about a whammy bar with a floyd rose.

That's a different thing.
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#18
If you can't afford any better just save some more money and buy a decent guitar when you can afford it. I started out with one of those packages from Harley benton, it's the worst guitar and amp i've ever played.

Even if you are a beginner and just gonna learn chords and some scales you don't want a guitar with bad intonation, fret buzz and low quality pickups, and playing that guitar thru a 15w 50$ amp doesnt make it any better.

There is a reason why most people tell you not to buy those guitar packs.
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#21
Leave your wallet at home, go down to your nearest decent sized music shop and try out everything in your budget. See what feels comfortable. If you've got a friend that plays take them along, if not got one of the guys in the shop to play stuff too s you can see what it sounds like, as well as what it feels like. When you have a shortlist of guitars you like, come back and get some feedback on them from people that have owned/played them.

Even as a complete beginner, different guitars feel very different. Necks are different thicknesses, bodys are different weights, balance is different, different shapes feel different sitting and standing, upper fret access varies - see what feel right to you, then come see which one of those the guys here would recommend.
#22
Wow. Thank you all for your suggestions and help. I truly appreciate it.

Ok, I'm not going to get a beginners pack and that is for sure.
Since my budget is limited for this, I will try to get the best guitar I can get for this budget and maybe invest for better one in the future if I get hooked. Again, this guitar will be used for couple of hours a week to play around with.

As for the amp, dose it make that much difference if I get a cheap one? I will not be able to play it too loud so do dose it make more sense to get one for 50 and invest more in the guitar?

I'm planning another trip to my local stores again and hope they don't kick me out because I have been there quite a lot lately looking at guitars...(-:

Again, thanks to all the suggestions and help. Again, any recommendations are welcomed

Cheers
#23
a better amp is much better than a better guitar (remember a lot ofmoney is put in the boild of a guitar, whereas amps you spends on the sound)

a samll SS amp ould be enough for now
a squier bullet (with trem, while thise is uneeded you can just take it off) a fender frontman 10g, cable and strap come for about 250 dollars
get a bag and you would reach 300
#24
No starter packs--- My first guitar is a lyon by washburn- it has a whammy, decent pickups, you can hear it pretty good without an amp, and it looks like a strat. I wish i could post a pic----- here one of it ina starter pack-

http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/183-4863782-3823303?ASIN=B000F2IOGU&AFID=Froogle&LNM=B000F2IOGU|Lyon_by_Washburn_Electric_Guitar_LXT3PAK&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=B000F2IOGU&ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001


and my first amp is an ibanez ibz10gx?i believe its something like that.
but check it out- it all cost me bout 250 overall.
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#26
Try to find a decent amp, and a used guitar. Don't get a starter pack, the gear that comes with it is CRAP. When finding an amp, don't think of it as just something to amplify the sound of the guitar, it makes up a large part of the sound you get from your guitar. Think of the guitar and amp as equals, both are equally as important, so spend time looking at both of them individually.

I recommend this amp, it sounds decent, and it has a lot of cool effects.
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-Vypyr-15-15W-1x8-Guitar-Combo-Amp-104922851-i1413605.gc

For a guitar, go to your local music store and look for a used guitar, since it's your first you don't know if you'll really like guitar or be committed to it, so look for a decent used guitar. It's better to get a used $150 guitar than a new $170 guitar, as long as the guitar plays fine, and it's a reasonable price, you should buy it. Hope this helped!
#27
For a beginners amp I would highly reccomend the Roland Micro Cube, its a small 2w amp but its waaaay to loud for house levels if you put the volume on 10. It's also very versatile, with different amp models, you got everything from acoustic and clean to high-gain and in the middle you find less distortion channels which I find good for classic rock stuff. You also have built in reverb and delay (echo effects) and four digital effects; Chorus, Flanger, Phaser and Tremolo.

As for guitar I cant really help you, but I started with an Epiphone Les Paul Special-II (Which I still use today, because I'm poor) and it havent really been a problem, it's an OK guitar imo, although you'll find most people around here hate it.
#28
Your amp makes much more difference to your tone than your guitar - get a guitar that feels good and an amp that sounds good.

If you're on a limited budget I'd definitely consider going second hand - you'll get the same guitar for 1/2 to 3/4 of the price, depending on age and condition. Work out what you want in a shop first though.
#29
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Your amp makes much more difference to your tone than your guitar - get a guitar that feels good and an amp that sounds good.

If you're on a limited budget I'd definitely consider going second hand - you'll get the same guitar for 1/2 to 3/4 of the price, depending on age and condition. Work out what you want in a shop first though.


Agreed, I put on layaway a Jackson JS1 Dinky, which is $180-200 new, but I got it used for $100, and it only has like 1 little scratch.
#30
Although you don't need really good gear to start out you need a specific amount of quality. If you don't have a quality of a bare minimum it won't be fun. So get a guitar you're comfortable with and a decent amp, Maybe get a distortion pedal as well. And have the guitar set up by a professional when you first get it. You might want to start with .09 gauge strings to start out, too. They'll be easier on your fingers.

And when you get to be confident learn how to set up your guitar yourself. It'll be better because why take it all the way to Guitar Center to have someone adjust some small thing within two weeks when you can do it yourself in two minutes? Here's a good book to help you with those adjustments.

http://www.amazon.com/Electric-Guitar-Great-Softcover-Player/dp/0879306017/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256845958&sr=8-3
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#31
again, thank you all for your suggestions and help.
I tested few amps today again and I kinda norrowed it down to 3 for around 100 each.
I might go to up to 150 if my I can stretch my budget a bit.
Here are the amps that I like so far
Peavey Vypyr 15 (really like this one)
Line 6 Spider
Roland Cube 15X (smaller than I thought but sounded good)
So I will have to get one of these. All the other onesI liked were 200 and above.

As for the guitar, I still like the look and feel of the the Epiphone Les Paul Special 2 butthe new one seems even cooler, so I might go with this one
http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=327&CollectionID=6

I think that I'm getting closer but will go over budget.Still need to gte strap, cable, etc.

will do some more tests tomorrow.

Cheers
#32
Quote by newone88
again, thank you all for your suggestions and help.
I tested few amps today again and I kinda norrowed it down to 3 for around 100 each.
I might go to up to 150 if my I can stretch my budget a bit.
Here are the amps that I like so far
Peavey Vypyr 15 (really like this one)
Line 6 Spider
Roland Cube 15X (smaller than I thought but sounded good)
So I will have to get one of these. All the other onesI liked were 200 and above.

As for the guitar, I still like the look and feel of the the Epiphone Les Paul Special 2 butthe new one seems even cooler, so I might go with this one
http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=327&CollectionID=6

I think that I'm getting closer but will go over budget.Still need to gte strap, cable, etc.

will do some more tests tomorrow.

Cheers

Go with either the Cube or the Vypyr. I've got the Spider, and once you either develop an ear for tone or play a good amp, you'll notice it sounds really bad.
#34
I wouldn't know from experience, but I've heard a great many people (among which people who should know from a professional PoV) say that something like a (used if your budget is tight) Mexican made Strat is an awesome starter. Starter pack guitars apparently tend to be only so so.
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#35
willing to go used? I got my guitar (I'd say its intermediate guitar) for $100 and an amp for anotha 100. way more power than i need (25 watts) atm.
#36
Thanks Alex. The spider was 3rd on my list and looking from reviews, the other 2 are better choice.

Eagle, I 'm looking at used gear as well at the local shops but have not found something that I really like yet but I have not looked at all the stores which I will be doing later today.
Last edited by newone88 at Oct 30, 2009,
#37
sorry man but for $300 your options arent that great. here are my 2 cents;

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Affinity-Strat-HSS-Amp-Value-Pack?sku=512576
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Dean-Vendetta-XM-Electric-Guitar-Pack?sku=620086
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-GigMaker-EG-ElectricGuitar-Pack?sku=516049

or if you are feeling adventurous and know someone who is good with guitars, electronics, or at least following directions then you could buy a "build-your-own" kit. The ones from Saga dont sound bad and you can usually find them cheaper on ebay for like $100-$120. That should leave you enough to buy a practice amp, tuner, cable, and picks.
here's an example;
http://www.sagamusic.com/catalog/products.asp?CategoryID=4&FamilyID=2&BrandID=77
#38
I started with a BC Rich Warlock (mainly for looks) and I'm surprised that it's not complete crap! I'd recommend the LP Special 2 and the Vyper. Line 6 is my choice for amps, but Eagle's right, the Spider blows until you start spending big money. I have their recent Bogner Tube model and I'd recommend that to anyone. But for a small amp, get the Peavey.

If you're looking for heavy metal or a hard rock, invest in a distortion pedal. I buy DigiTech. Look on eBay first. I got The Weapon from Disturbed for about $70, but it retails for $150. It's worth a shot, to look on eBay for that and go to musiciansfriend.com or zzounds.com for the guitar
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#39
Ok., I think I have made up my mind.
I really love the Peavey Vypyr 15 amp. I can't afford more expensive one and I think this one is a good starting point.
As for the guitar, I'm in love with the epiphone Les Paul feel, desgin, look and sound.
So they have a new one coming out with a whammy bar for around 200.
Now I will have to go over budget to get cable, strap, picks and case.
http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=327&CollectionID=6
Almost there....(-:
Last edited by newone88 at Oct 30, 2009,
#40
Quote by ArcadianWarrior
I started off with a Fender Squier Bullet and a Fender Frontman 15G amp.
The thing is, I have never played any other type of guitar and I have never played on any other type of amp. So I will never know how crappy my equipment is until I do. However, it's perfect for starting off. That's the thing, when you first start off playing guitar, you don't need anything super high quality. Buying a Les Paul for your first guitar would be unnecesary, but people do it.
You don't need much though dude, to get started. I still have my cheap ass fender bullet/frontman setup. But I'm not even good enough to be in a band so it does plenty of good for me.
Cables are like, 10-20 bucks and so are straps, so don't worry to much about that.

In my opinion, if your a begginer and you only have 300 dollars, and you want a guitar now, this is for you:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender-Affinity-Strat-HSS-and-Bullet-150-DSP-Amp-Value-Pack-512576-i1174771.gc

Or if you don't mind a 10watt amp:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender-SE-Special-Strat-with-Squier-SP-10-Amp-Value-Pack-104486238-i1177837.gc



i own the second pack he mentioned and its not bad to get started out the instructual dvd is pretty good 2 however the cable it comes with 2 awful but their cheap 2 replace


hope i helped good luck