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#1
Hi Guys,

About 2 months ago I got my Rockerveb 50. Now I love the amp, it's great, but I just don't think it's quite 'me'.

Although it sounds fantastic I think I've come to the conclusion that its a little too dark/warn sounding for my liking.

Like I say it's a bloody fantastic amp but I miss my EL34's

In my personal opinion it does cleans and high gain stuff fantastically but kinda sucks at anything in between, people say it's easy to get an easy AC/DC tone out of an Orange rockerverb 50, believe me, it's not. The Rockerverb is far too dark sounding imo for those tones.

Anyway, I know modern day marshalls are kinda frowned upon and I'm more of a fan of less is more in terms of knobs on an amp but I'm all for versatility.

Just wondering what your guys opinions are on this?

Yes i know it's pathetic that I got a £1100 amp 2 months ago and I'm already looking elsewhere but what can I do, tone is tone.

My local shop have just started stocking JVM's so when i get time I'll run down there and check it out.

Lastly if there are any 14 year olds on here who have never tried a high end Marshall and are going to tell me how much the JVM sucks by jumping on the bandwagon, please don't bother...

Anyway for comparison, Marshall JVM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZH1IivStFg&feature=related

Me playing my rockerverb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTJTZAKxZCw&feature=channel
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#3
I much prefered the vintage modern tone to the JVM
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#4
I only have about 30 minutes on a JVM, and I've never played your Orange. However, I will say that I preferred the Vintage Modern to the JVM if you can push the tubes. Also check out Splawn amps.
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#5
the JVM is a very good amp, i played the 410H yesterday and it impressed me a lot (not enough to defer me from getting a Dual Rectifier though!!!) I say go and play it and see what you think though its the best way to find out if you really do want to get it. also (and dont take this badly) i think its a bit short sighted of you to have bought an amp that you now dont like. I've been looking for a new amp for over a year now and have only just decided on the one i want. do more research before you buy.
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#6
It's not a case of not liking the Orange. I like it a lot. It's just not 'me'

I'm wondering how the JVM differs to the DSL/TSL

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I forgot, did you have the JVMs on your watch list 2 months ago?


Yes but i never had the opportunity to try one
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#7
I want a rockerverb, that's the amp I've been looking at. It's either that or a thunderverb. I really like JVM's though. I have also heard a lot of great things about the vintage modern series. Regarding your situation, you will always want something new. I get a different gas every time I go into a guitar center. Go and play everything you can get you're hands on, that's the only thing I can suggest.
#9
@sharpant: i can understand, oranges are warm. the don't get that same 'cutting' mids sound from inbetween the high gain and clean, it is a warmer sound. i love my oranges(i went after the or50h cuz the classic 3xecc83/2xel34 setup).

i would either recommend trying out the 50h if you feel like keeping with orange, or def try b4 buying the marshall. but there are also plenty of better 'marshall' designs(like splawn) that will be made with more love and care. but **** it, it's about tone, make sure the marshall won't break and gives a good tone then go for it.
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#10
definatly try out the JVM extensively first, not to say its not a good amp but make sure its you first. Don't limit yourself to the one amp, there are amps besides Marshalls that do the Marshall thing better.
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#12
Well I've tried the vintage moderns and I didn't really like them.

I hear JCM800's sound poor at bedroom volumes but amazing cranked, so that doesn't help me.

All that is left to try is the JCM2000 DSL/TSL and the JVM. I will try the JVM very soon incase my local store sell it. I shall definably be keeping my Orange 2x12 though regardless of what head I have.
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#14
just trade it for an original 800 2203 or 2204. If you are getting a high powered head i assume you aren't really going to be playing it in your bedroom most of the time.
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just trade it for an original 800 2203 or 2204. If you are getting a high powered head i assume you aren't really going to be playing it in your bedroom most of the time.


Nope. The thing is I play mostly in my room but I play pretty loud :P

I also don't agree with the 100w tube heads need to be cranked to sound good...

Sure they sound better cranked but there are a lot of tube amps that do sound good at low volumes.
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#16
Well, you know how feel about the JVMs. Just play it extensively and see what you think. Better value for you than I money wise. I actually would rather play a 800 and low volumes than a JVM.

If I remember Splawn's are kinda out of the question unless one pops up where you are otherwise, you'd just have to take people's word for it. Although I'm sure if you did it right, you could actually make money selling it if it ended up not being your thing. If you were closer to me, I'd offer a 1 month trade just for the fun of it.

I think the OR50 is a good idea, but I've never played one nor the VMs.
#17
i dunno, for me I don't really care how i sound at low volumes. I have never had a problem EQing any of my amps to sound decent at low volumes. I feel like that is a worthless thing to consider when buying an amp. they are made for live performance, and made to be played loud. if you are just gonna be a bedroom player buy a lower wattage combo amp.
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#18
Well I'll go try out a JVM410H at my local some time next week. i'm going to put my Laney VC50 on the bay soon!

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#19
the JVM also doesn't have the classic marshall EL34 tone you are looking for. it has a weird spongy high gain sound that not a lot of people like. Its the most modern voiced marshall id say
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#21
yea i haven't played it too much. but it definitely has tons of gain, and the channels that sounded the best to me were the higher gain ones.

bottom line is im trying to get this guy to just buy an old marshall haha. way better.
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#22
Well i just took my VC50 out form under the desk to sell it and holy jizz.

I forgot how good its sounds... I think i prefer it too my Orange :S

Must be down to me loving EL34's. Sorry but there's my decision made, the orange has to go.
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#23
pmeg - I felt the opposite. I thought the cleans were nice but the OD was too 'fake' sounding for lack of a better description. I didn't feel anything modern about it but maybe that's just my ears.

They are actually not hard to dial in once you get the hang of it. The separate controls for each channel is nice if you are into that kinda thing and it has MIDI I believe. I was actually going to suggest one of those 18w clones but I don't know much about them.
#25
Well maybe the JCM2000 TSL will be a better choice. More simplistic amp as well in terms of channels.
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#26
I really enjoyed the JVM. I got classic rock sounds just fine out of it.

All around good amp. The big difference is the JVM is midi capable while the tsl/dsl is not
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#27
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Well maybe the JCM2000 TSL will be a better choice. More simplistic amp as well in terms of channels.


Personally I liked the JVM better than the TSL but I don't like either all that much. They're definitely a try before you buy amp.
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#29
Selling my RV50 too, know exactly what you mean. Clean channel doesn't have enough life, dirty is great for leads, too mushy for tight rhythm. Not just metal, it just doesnt have that snappy tightness that a Marshall would have. I want a Bogner Shiva. Tone for days, it's like a bit hotter marshall, with crazy good cleans/reverb.

More than enough people have bad things to say about the TSL, by the way.
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Selling my RV50 too, know exactly what you mean. Clean channel doesn't have enough life, dirty is great for leads, too mushy for tight rhythm. Not just metal, it just doesnt have that snappy tightness that a Marshall would have. I want a Bogner Shiva. Tone for days, it's like a bit hotter marshall, with crazy good cleans/reverb.

More than enough people have bad things to say about the TSL, by the way.


I always got the impression you weren't quite satisfied with yours.

If you were going to look into Marshall what particular amps would you consider?

What do you think is a fair price seeing as mine is only 4 weeks old and is MINT+ comes with footswitch?
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#31
I just traded my TSL if that affects you at all. There's just no "life" to the amp, imo. If you love the way your VC sounds, why not just stick with it?
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#32
I wouldn't get the JVM, i played one and really hated it. It just seemed that even thought it technically had the versatility to do anything, it couldn't really do any of them well. The high gain was just really muddy and i got the feeling that the EQ wasn't very responsive. I don't remember too much about playing the mid gain channels but i definitely don't remember being impressed by them.

But thats just my opinion, i suppose you should try it yourself.
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I just traded my TSL if that affects you at all. There's just no "life" to the amp, imo. If you love the way your VC sounds, why not just stick with it?


Cause the only thing I love about it is the lead channel
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#34
Quote by sharpant
I always got the impression you weren't quite satisfied with yours.

If you were going to look into Marshall what particular amps would you consider?

What do you think is a fair price seeing as mine is only 4 weeks old and is MINT+ comes with footswitch?


It's a bit of a love hate thing. I turned it on and jammed for a bit after class today, wasn't happy. Later at night, much better. I have a strange feeling it's the way our ears percieve it at different times of the day or whatever. Anyway, i just want a clearer distortion with a bit more upper midrange, and a brighter voicing.

I could just go get a vertical input JCM800, but then I dont have reverb, or a dedicated clean channel, both of which I need/love. I also really would love a plexi, but they are effing loud. Anyone know if you can pull tubes to hit that sweet spot earlier on plexis?

Since yours is essentially new, I'd just knock off a few hundred from the original price, sell it with the impression they are getting a new amp, you just happened to need a different sound.
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#35
Check out Matamp, Cornell and Cornford in addition to Marshall.
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#36
Do it, the JVM get's too much hate here. (it's a loved amp everywhere else) Yeah, the highest gain channel is a bit fizzy, but the JVM is a gas killer, sounds great and has so much bottom end IMO.
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#37
DSL's sound better than TSL's, just sayin
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#39
jvm, you need to keep the master and the preamp about the same , I like the preamp a bit louder then the master to get more crunch out. an eq seems to help out all the amps i had.
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#40
Quote by sharpant
Well I've tried the vintage moderns and I didn't really like them.

I hear JCM800's sound poor at bedroom volumes but amazing cranked, so that doesn't help me.

All that is left to try is the JCM2000 DSL/TSL and the JVM. I will try the JVM very soon incase my local store sell it. I shall definably be keeping my Orange 2x12 though regardless of what head I have.



If you want a bedroom Marshall, try the Class V or any of the myriad of boutique-ish clone amps. If you want something for both bedroom and gigging try the Hazes or clones. No 50-100w Marshall will sound nearly as good at bedroom volumes as it does cranked. To play my 50w JMP Marshall at "bedroom" volumes, it is literally below 1 on the dial and sounds lifeless and choked. Same with any amp designed to be played loud, unless it has a built-in attenuator or you buy one.
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