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Rather than providing a link, I decided to copy and paste. It's for all the guys that have been there, or are there now. Not sure if it was written by a man or woman, but I like it regardless.

Ode to the Nice Guys
(This rant was written for the Wharton Undergraduate Journal)
This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and bitching about what assholes guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl’s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.

This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they’re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don’t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.

This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn’t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you’d ever orchestrated in GTA3 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn’t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing “serious” between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: “oh, but we’re just friends!” And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you’re nice like that.

The nice guys don’t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don’t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can’t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative bitches. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as “oh, he’s too nice to date” or “he would be a good boyfriend but he’s not for me” or “he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn’t possibly ask him out!” or the most frustrating of all: “no, it would ruin our friendship.” Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can’t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I’m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn’t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.

So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you’re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.
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#5
this is so old.


i read this in high school and thought that being a nice guy is the correct way to live, since apparently the internet is writing tribute articles to my position in high school.

boy was i wrong


-edit- there is a difference between a good guy and a nice guy. a good guy is someone who is confident, knows what hes doing, but not a bad guy. nice guys pathetically cling to their niceness because they have nothing else going for them. i was there once, i'd know.
Last edited by misterfarenheit at Nov 1, 2009,
#6
This should be posted in the relationship thread, just for shits and giggles.

OT: You can be a nice guy and still get T3H LADIEZZZ. You just have to be an assertive, confident nice guy.
#7
Quote by DardoBoy
This should be posted in the relationship thread, just for shits and giggles.

OT: You can be a nice guy and still get T3H LADIEZZZ. You just have to be an assertive, confident nice guy.

it also helps if you dont go after the dumb air head sleezy bitches
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#8
That text is just a bit too long and italicized for my likings.
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#9
Quote by yellowfrizbee
it also helps if you dont go after the dumb air head sleezy bitches



I thought that was a given though.
#10
Quote by DardoBoy
This should be posted in the relationship thread, just for shits and giggles.

OT: You can be a nice guy and still get T3H LADIEZZZ. You just have to be an assertive, confident nice guy.


I said I already got my vindication. Not only am I living a much better life than the girl I pathetically clung to (long story) plus I have a much better girlfriend than I ever imagined being with, she's so much better than that girl I clung to. Being assertive but still a good guy is what landed me with the love of my life


I just found it on StumbleUpon, thought I'd post it for the Pit since a lot of the guys here seem to get "friendzoned".
Last edited by dudius at Nov 1, 2009,
#11
Self-pitying, lack of confidence, lack of assertiveness, weakness, low self-esteem, being a pushover, indulging nonsensical time-wasting streams of emotional diarrhoea, and all the other things 'nice-guys' have and do clearly runs contrary to what females are biologically programmed to look for in a mate - an ability to protect and provide.

Bitching about it does not help. It's the nice-guy's problem, not the world's problem. There's no sympathy for you lot - the born omega males of the human world!
O what a disgrace if such a despised and base race, which worships demons, should conquer a people which has the faith of omnipotent God and is made glorious with the name of Christ!

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#13
Quote by MHDrunk
Self-pitying, lack of confidence, lack of assertiveness, weakness, low self-esteem, being a pushover, indulging nonsensical time-wasting streams of emotional diarrhoea, and all the other things 'nice-guys' have and do clearly runs contrary to what females are biologically programmed to look for in a mate - an ability to protect and provide.

Bitching about it does not help. It's the nice-guy's problem, not the world's problem. There's no sympathy for you lot - the born omega males of the human world!


I love you.
#15
Quote by misterfarenheit
this is so old.


i read this in high school and thought that being a nice guy is the correct way to live, since apparently the internet is writing tribute articles to my position in high school.

boy was i wrong


-edit- there is a difference between a good guy and a nice guy. a good guy is someone who is confident, knows what hes doing, but not a bad guy. nice guys pathetically cling to their niceness because they have nothing else going for them. i was there once, i'd know.


This guy speaks the truth. I used to be a timid nice guy. Then I randomly got some life experience, and became a good guy who stopped dealing with the bullshit.

Oddly enough, I got laid a lot more from that point on.
#16
Quote by ReeseKillsHIV
This guy speaks the truth. I used to be a timid nice guy. Then I randomly got some life experience, and became a good guy who stopped dealing with the bullshit.

Oddly enough, I got laid a lot more from that point on.


Me too
#19
Quote by Twist of fate
You just wanna get more votes.

And you just got mine.


I wasn't using this thread to try anything, I just thought some people might like encouragement.
#20
Quote by MHDrunk
Self-pitying, lack of confidence, lack of assertiveness, weakness, low self-esteem, being a pushover, indulging nonsensical time-wasting streams of emotional diarrhoea, and all the other things 'nice-guys' have and do clearly runs contrary to what females are biologically programmed to look for in a mate - an ability to protect and provide.

Bitching about it does not help. It's the nice-guy's problem, not the world's problem. There's no sympathy for you lot - the born omega males of the human world!


tl;dr

but this about sums up this thread i think
#22
Being nice shouldn't mean giving in. Being nice simply merits the quality "empathy and thinking of others". Those guys can in fact win, you just need to be comfortable in your own skin.
#23
Oh ho.....a subject I was just writing an article on for a new site I'm working on....

Here's my understanding in a nutshell..
- Nice Guys - supplicating wussies who lie that they are being nice to be good, but really are in hopes to get laid.

- Jerks - Nice guys who got tired of being used and treat everyone like shit, and believe in the contest to who can get laid more

- Seduction Artists - Basically a group of people who call themselves various names who all follow the same ideology with a different name to the definitions.

Most Girls = insane, needy, attention *****s whom desire an easy way through life and have no control over their biological programming, and cause the "nice guys" pain, and piss off the Jerks by eventually screwing them over (often transforming them back to nice guys), and leave guys like me and the seduction artists going.."oh well, she was not worth it anyway"...except I truly belive it.

The rest of the gals out there, the truly good ones, are either already taken, or sitting alone in their rooms bitching about the bad guys out there, that's my take on it.

As for me, I don't care, I might not get the most ass, I might be too nice sometimes, and too mean at others. I feel what makes a man a man is to get shit done that he needs/wants to get done, and not burden everyone else with it.

The Nice Guys burden us with wanting an easy solution, the jerks burden us by calling us pussies because we don't pretend to be the king alpha omega, and the seduction artists get annoyed because we do just as well as they do without needing all the tactics.

The reason dating is fail - people are just not honest enough with each other as to what they want due to preconceived social notions created by the media and organized religion. Once you eschew those two thing, it becomes kind of hard to be alone on a Friday feeling like a loser, because the only definition you have to work by, is your own based on your own happiness.
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#24
Quote by Mad-Mike_J83
Oh ho.....a subject I was just writing an article on for a new site I'm working on....

Here's my understanding in a nutshell..
- Nice Guys - supplicating wussies who lie that they are being nice to be good, but really are in hopes to get laid.

- Jerks - Nice guys who got tired of being used and treat everyone like shit, and believe in the contest to who can get laid more

- Seduction Artists - Basically a group of people who call themselves various names who all follow the same ideology with a different name to the definitions.

Most Girls = insane, needy, attention *****s whom desire an easy way through life and have no control over their biological programming, and cause the "nice guys" pain, and piss off the Jerks by eventually screwing them over (often transforming them back to nice guys), and leave guys like me and the seduction artists going.."oh well, she was not worth it anyway"...except I truly belive it.

The rest of the gals out there, the truly good ones, are either already taken, or sitting alone in their rooms bitching about the bad guys out there, that's my take on it.

As for me, I don't care, I might not get the most ass, I might be too nice sometimes, and too mean at others. I feel what makes a man a man is to get shit done that he needs/wants to get done, and not burden everyone else with it.

The Nice Guys burden us with wanting an easy solution, the jerks burden us by calling us pussies because we don't pretend to be the king alpha omega, and the seduction artists get annoyed because we do just as well as they do without needing all the tactics.

The reason dating is fail - people are just not honest enough with each other as to what they want due to preconceived social notions created by the media and organized religion. Once you eschew those two thing, it becomes kind of hard to be alone on a Friday feeling like a loser, because the only definition you have to work by, is your own based on your own happiness.


Many people also aren't honest with themselves. But I do agree a bit.
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^Are you suggesting that there are no genuine 'nice guys'? And that we all have to have some sort of agenda? There are good people out there, its just the jerks who people seem to remember

EDIT: Crud, that was meant for Mad Mike
Last edited by mario61 at Nov 1, 2009,
#26
Most nice guys are not being honest because they did not open the door to that direction to begin with. I understand, having been one myself, but you're not going to get a date with a woman 90% of the time by doing nice things for her or hanging out with her, you will get there if you move things forward by being open with her. If she can't handle your feelings for her, then she's not the girl for you. Most women are not the gal for you.

Granted, there are Nice Guys and "Nice Guys" (TM). Nice Guys are those of us who are genuinely nice, but we are a RARE breed. "Nice Guys" (TM) are the guys that want to get somewhere with a gal, but for some reason are afraid of opening the opportunity to rejection from her due to past reactions. A "Nice Guy" (TM) will open doors and be polite just because a woman is present, a Nice Guy (note the no TM) will just be himself, and if she does not like him, he's fine with it, if she does, awesome.

As for guys, I don't know too much about our dynamics except what I've been around. I tend to do better if I just shut up, do things my own way, and ignore all the labeled generes of guy around me and their "Suggestions".
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- 2013 Squier VM Bass VI (stock)
#28
Quote by XianXiuHong
Reading that article reminded me of how much I hate the idea of dating and love.



Couple pieces of advice: Nike: just do it, and going for girls shyer than you can make things easier. You won't feel intimidated, girls like letting guys have control, and shyer girls tend to be freaks in bed.
#29
Quote by dudius
Couple pieces of advice: Nike: just do it, and going for girls shyer than you can make things easier. You won't feel intimidated, girls like letting guys have control, and shyer girls tend to be freaks in bed.


I'm glad I voted for you.
#30
Quote by dudius
Couple pieces of advice: Nike: just do it, and going for girls shyer than you can make things easier. You won't feel intimidated, girls like letting guys have control, and shyer girls tend to be freaks in bed.



It's not that, I just don't want anything to do with relationships or love because of the results.

Thanks for the offer though, your intentions were all good
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Quote by XianXiuHong
It's not that, I just don't want anything to do with relationships or love because of the results.

Thanks for the offer though, your intentions were all good


You're looking at it the wrong way. I've done bad things to women, and had some bad things done to me as well, but it's better to learn from all of that. Think of how many people are on the earth. Chances are, they aren't the one, and if you don't take any chances, you'll never get lucky.
#32
Quote by ReeseKillsHIV
You're looking at it the wrong way. I've done bad things to women, and had some bad things done to me as well, but it's better to learn from all of that. Think of how many people are on the earth. Chances are, they aren't the one, and if you don't take any chances, you'll never get lucky.



I'm not looking for a partner in life, I just don't see it as so necessary to be happy, I've pretty much given up on life partners because I realise I don't need them to be happy myself.



EDIT: That doesn't stop me from hating the idea though
#33
No, you don't need them to be happy. I'm single by choice, and feel better than I did when I was trying to date.

Just saying that you shouldn't discount true love just because of some bad experiences.
#34
Man. Starting yesterday (or two days ago) I dropped the whole "nice guy" thing. Because the one thing I found out is that women don't appreciate it and much as they should. To be called a jackass for being the only person to genuinely care about someone and to always be there for them is just... I don't even know. Frustrating. I'm gone.
#35
There is a difference between a total wimpy, clingy, nice guy and a genuinely good person. Just because you're nice doesn't mean you have to be some pussy. Having class doesn't mean you're destined for the friendzone. I know a guy who is one of the single nicest people you'll ever meet, but he's still confident and assertive and gets lots of girls, and not in the douchebaggy "I get all dem bitches" kinda way. Girls actually wanna go out with him because he's a nice, classy guy.
#36
Quote by Z_cup_boy
Being nice shouldn't mean giving in. Being nice simply merits the quality "empathy and thinking of others". Those guys can in fact win, you just need to be comfortable in your own skin.


At the same time, being valuable, means not allowing women to use you as an emotional tampon for issues that are either pointless or that they should be able to deal with themselves
O what a disgrace if such a despised and base race, which worships demons, should conquer a people which has the faith of omnipotent God and is made glorious with the name of Christ!

The music winners listen to
#37
Quote by Mad-Mike_J83
Oh ho.....a subject I was just writing an article on for a new site I'm working on....

Here's my understanding in a nutshell..
- Nice Guys - supplicating wussies who lie that they are being nice to be good, but really are in hopes to get laid.

- Jerks - Nice guys who got tired of being used and treat everyone like shit, and believe in the contest to who can get laid more

- Seduction Artists - Basically a group of people who call themselves various names who all follow the same ideology with a different name to the definitions.

Most Girls = insane, needy, attention *****s whom desire an easy way through life and have no control over their biological programming, and cause the "nice guys" pain, and piss off the Jerks by eventually screwing them over (often transforming them back to nice guys), and leave guys like me and the seduction artists going.."oh well, she was not worth it anyway"...except I truly belive it.

The rest of the gals out there, the truly good ones, are either already taken, or sitting alone in their rooms bitching about the bad guys out there, that's my take on it.

As for me, I don't care, I might not get the most ass, I might be too nice sometimes, and too mean at others. I feel what makes a man a man is to get shit done that he needs/wants to get done, and not burden everyone else with it.

The Nice Guys burden us with wanting an easy solution, the jerks burden us by calling us pussies because we don't pretend to be the king alpha omega, and the seduction artists get annoyed because we do just as well as they do without needing all the tactics.

The reason dating is fail - people are just not honest enough with each other as to what they want due to preconceived social notions created by the media and organized religion. Once you eschew those two thing, it becomes kind of hard to be alone on a Friday feeling like a loser, because the only definition you have to work by, is your own based on your own happiness.


Please don't lump all of us that are successful with women into the PUA category, we don't all need textbooks for social interaction and there are many seductive methods that Pick-Up Artistry does not espouse.

The 'truly good gals', as you put it, do as much 'seducing' as successful men.
O what a disgrace if such a despised and base race, which worships demons, should conquer a people which has the faith of omnipotent God and is made glorious with the name of Christ!

The music winners listen to
#38
'TF is with all you 'nice guys'.

THe one time I asked a guy out, turned out he wanted to ask me out too, but thought I "would go out with a guy like me. I thought you'd only want the tough mean ones"

There is a problem with you guys. You make friends, but you never actually say "I want to go out with you" all on the basis that the girl you like only goes for "tough mean guys".

I LOVE you guys, and most girls do. It's just the only guys that have got the balls to ask us out are the tough mean dicks, who end up beating up any nice guys who try to "hit on their girl"

I do love you nice guys.. you guys just need a little more confidence. Seize the day!
#39
Quote by mdwallin
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There is a problem with you guys. You make friends, but you never actually say "I want to go out with you" all on the basis that the girl you like only goes for "tough mean guys".


Can I then ask, mostly out of curiosity, do you girls have the same problem sometimes? By 'girls', I'm referring to the ones that aren't... ehh... skanky, for lack of a better word.

Quote by mdwallin
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I do love you nice guys.. you guys just need a little more confidence. Seize the day!


^__^


S t a i r s s r i a t S

#40
I'm well liked by the ladies and don't get in the friend zone anymore. I used to, but the trick is to be a good dude, but at the same time, just be confident and don't be clingy. If a girl asks you to do her some stupid favor like pick up her pencil when it falls off her desk, don't do it. Seriously. Girls are easy to understand with some experience.
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