#1
I found an add for it and it seemed like a good deal.

This is the only picture thats given

There isn't that much info on it so i assume that theres something wrong with it (Stolen, damaged, etc.)
i'd like to hear your thoughts.
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#4
If you can actually go look at it, I'd suggest doing so. Even if it's not a true Gibson, it might still be a pretty good guitar. Whether it's worth $900 or not would be up to you. However, if it's on ebay or something like that, stay away. Far, far away.
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#5
Ask for a picture of the serial number. then you will be able to tell if it is a real Gibson and how old.
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#6
It's tough to see details from that angle; ask for more photos. If it's not local, don't bother.
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If you can actually go look at it, I'd suggest doing so. Even if it's not a true Gibson, it might still be a pretty good guitar. Whether it's worth $900 or not would be up to you. However, if it's on ebay or something like that, stay away. Far, far away.

If i could visually inspect it, what would be some key things to look for, and some easy tells if its fake?
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If i could visually inspect it, what would be some key things to look for, and some easy tells if its fake?


The best thing to do would be to get better, detailed photos that you could post on a knowledgeable forum, asking whether it's real or not.
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#11
The condition on that guitar is amazing. Check to see if its a reissue or not. I would say it is. Did they reissue the 69's? I dont know. Just for a guitar that is 40 years old, it looks brand new. But even as a reissue its a good deal. IF its real.
#12
1. I'm fairly certain they weren't making goldtops in 69', but that thought could just be bullcrap.
2. More pictures are needed.
3. Go try it. You'll know if it's a 40 year old guitar or not.

Mini humbuckers probably mean it was an early Deluxe, or a copy, but if the latter, buy that thang.
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The condition on that guitar is amazing. Check to see if its a reissue or not. I would say it is. Did they reissue the 69's? I dont know. Just for a guitar that is 40 years old, it looks brand new. But even as a reissue its a good deal. IF its real.

That's the first thing I noticed. The finish is way too good to be an actual '69. It would have to be a reissue. But then again, that's not a Gibson case. If a guitar is in that condition, I would imagine that the case would also be in excellent shape. No need to replace it. Nothing ads up, I wouldn't waste my time.
#15
It could be a reissue for $900.00 I just missed a 59 Reissue for $1000.00 right now Gibby are the lowest they have been in a long time second hand. It looks good from the pic but counterfeits are getting better and harder to tell a couple shops I deal with got ripped off by buying counterfeits and they could not tell. You really need to give it a really good inspection. Even the serial number might look legit. I take the cavity cover off and look inside most counterfeits do not go as far as using the right pots or Toggle switch but you can only tell by looking inside. You can also get a good look at the routing for the cavity most counterfeits are different in the way the cavity is routed and with the interior paint. If it is old look for checking in the finish as far as I know fakes do not add that yet they are usually poly finished not nitro.

If in fact it is a counterfeit it's only worth $300.00 tops! Most counterfeits usually come in a fake Gibson case and that could be an old Gibson Chainsaw case and that guitar has been in that case for a long time going by the indentations in the material lining the case. That doesn't mean there wasn't an LP in the case in the past that did it.

Edit It could be an old Epi LP case I just realized I have had several of those in the past.

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I think he was trying to say that it was in poduction in 1969. I dont know if it was. Im sure our favorite friend ffrom the sea knows goldtops came out in 52.
#17
The gold top first came out in the 50s but was made for several years after.


A little more info I just was going over in one of Gibby books 69 Lps had a 3 piece neck 68s and earlier had one piece necks and I can't really tell in the pick if those are full size humbuckers or not the 69 LP deluxe would have had mini humbuckers they look kind of small to me. Check the serial number a real 69 will have only 6 numbers in the serial number. I still think it's some sort of reissue if it's not a fake.

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#18
the last three inlays look so much brighter and not the right shape i say fake
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#19
my local shop has a Goldtop (with P90s i think). Asking 3 grand. It pretty beat up. It's been in the store for like 8 months.
#20
In 1969, Gibson were indeed making a Les Paul Deluxe with mini humbuckers and the Goldtop finish.

However, the top on that one looks too clean, and the price is similar to the prices of guitars from the 70's that have been refinished, so I would assume that is what's happened here. I would make an educated guess that it's been refinised at some point and quite possibly other parts of the hardware and electronics may have been changed too. I see no reason to call it a fake, but I highly doubt it's got many of it's original parts either.



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my local shop has a Goldtop (with P90s i think). Asking 3 grand. It pretty beat up. It's been in the store for like 8 months.
If it's a Custom Shop Reissue (which are made to look slightly aged, plus it could be wear from being played int he store) then that is a fair price. If it's an actual old Goldtop, it could be an okay price or it could be under-valued. If it's an early-mid 50's model and all original (with a wraparound bridge or trapeze bridge), it is worth literally twelve times that. If it's a slightly later one (with a tune-o-matic and stopbar bridge) then it's worth about nine times that.
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#21
I think the top looks good but it seems to have a little wear on the body. See the shadow on the body where you forearm on your picking hand would rub. It could be just that a shadow but Goldtops commonly turned black or green under the nitro finishes in spots wear skin oils rubbed off on the guitar and got absorbed thru the finish. As far as the frets go the last three do look different but with MOP you can never tell if it's just reflecting light in the pic. I have seen some LP where the inlays look plain white or silver in pics. If it's a true 69 the inlays should have a little yellowing. I wish you could post more pics. The color of the body in the back looks about the right color knockoff are usually very dark I think they do that ti hide the fact they are several pieces. Another dead give away is the necks knockoffs have a scarf joint up near the head stock. Mr Fribble could be right though it could be refinished. I don't know how that effects the price but if it's a real Gibby $900.00 is not bad at all for a LP deluxe goldtop with mini humbuckers if that is truly what it is. If it was a 68 Gibson it would be worth much, much more.

In all the years I bought vintage Gibbys most had their share of wear. Nitro finishes checked, chipped wore away very fast. Even though people praise the Nitro finishes they did fair well at all. Every once in a while I would find a vintage Gibson that looked showroom new those were the ones that were bought and rarely or never played. When I was collecting Gibsons in the late 70s early 80S those old Les Paul were no where near as pricey as they are today in the last ten years or so they really went up 1000s of dollars. With the economy the way it is they have come down a little but still no where near as cheap as I was getting them for 20+ years ago.

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#22
It looks pretty authentic to me. Bigger headstock (typical of late 60s and early 70s Gibbies) kind of gives it away.

The guitar looks pretty flawless (hardware has no tarnish either) aside from the slight greening near the top. This leads me to believe that the guitar has been gutted for parts and refinned. Play it and see what you think. Be sure to pester him with questions.
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#23
Judging by the particular shade of gold used on the goldtop, the inlays (which appear to be abalone in that picture), and the mini-humbuckers, I'd be inclined to say that what you're looking at is probably a Gibson 1974 Les Paul Deluxe Goldtop.

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#24
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1. I'm fairly certain they weren't making goldtops in 69', but that thought could just be bullcrap.
2. More pictures are needed.
3. Go try it. You'll know if it's a 40 year old guitar or not.

Mini humbuckers probably mean it was an early Deluxe, or a copy, but if the latter, buy that thang.

they reissued the goldtop in '68, after discontinuing the les paul completely in 1960. then they started putting mini-humbuckers in guitars intended to be goldtops due to the number of requests for a les paul with humbuckers (other than the custom reissue).

The guitar that is pictured looks legit but the price is a bit iffy. you may not be getting the same guitar as the picture shows, although, the norlin era gibsons don't normally cost a lot more than a brand new les paul standard, in fact i've seen many on sale for less, but it was still more than £1000, which is a hell of a lot more than $900 for sure.

Final note: ignore the people that say "check the serial number". It's very very easy to fake a serial number. you just gotta.. you know.. copy a legit serial number exactly, or know how the particular companies serial number system works to make a fake one that seems legitimate. try typing 025480654 into the form on this page:

http://www.guitardaterproject.org/gibson.aspx

i genuinely randomly typed those numbers in a gibson serial number format. and look what results it pulls up...
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#25
Hello. I just became a member so that I could reply to this.
I saw this ad on Kijiji in Canada and when I researched the guitar I found that EXACTLY the same guitar sold on ebay last week for $4000. When I say exactly I mean she used their. pics including the ones with the serial #.(she sent me more pics)
I have not told her that I know that she is scammin(I say she because she uses the name Ruth Dunleavy)
She of coarse just lost her job, could lose her house,and would like be to send the money to DHL who will hold it until I get the guitar.

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the ebay # is 190342637607
Just type it in the search spot on ebay
I have already sent the ebay seller an email letting him know
#26
Very good detective work! That is exactly the same guitar.

What you probably would have gotten for $900.00 is a cheap Chinese counterfeit Les Paul. The only thing I do not understand is my book says 68 was the last year of the one piece neck the auction is for a 69 and the serial number is correct but if the book is right it should not have a 1 piece neck but I have heard of Gibson using left over neck and bodies. It could be a pretty rare item. The guy lists the pups as PAFs but most people would have thought to mention they are mini humbuckers. Usually people list regular humbuckers as PAFs.


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#27
"Ruth" just emailed me back. I had asked for her to send me pics of her with the guitar. She had also mentioned before that she was in Plymouth. I asked where that was. She just replied.....United Kingdom! And no she did not send any new pics
I replied that "that explains why the guitar that you are trying to sell me sold on ebay last week."
I will let ya know if she replies back. I doubt that she will as I am sure that I am not the only one that she is stringing along. She is probably quite busy!
#28
Ruth might take awhile to get back to you, she is quite busy now working her next internet scam on eBay or CraigsList.
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#29
Ruth is probably is some slimy guy using an alias, sitting in a dark room that smells of sweat, stale cigarettes and crack, spending most of his day looking at Kiddie porn and scamming people! Scum bags like that should be put in jail. That Email address will probably get deleted ASAP now that you called their bluff you'll never hear from Ruth again for sure. I hope nobody got screwed I am pretty sure you can contact the authorities give them the Email and they can trace the ISP. here in the states it's a felony scamming people over the internet.


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#30
Yeah I saw this ad on about 4 different Kijii locations, all with the same picture and overly aggressive title (LIKE OMG 1969 GOLDTOP LESPAUL CHECK THIS OUT NOW ONLY $900!)

Pretty easy to figure it's a scam before even doing any research