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#1
Can anyone tell me anything about a new company called Sidewynder Pickups in Scotland? I heard about them on Rock Radio in Scotland, but haven't heard anyone say what they are like. Blurb sounds good, but I would like to hear from a user.
#2
I do not think anyone on UG has any experience with these pickups as yet.

Just had a look at their products... particularly the Death Adder... woot... 22KΩ resistance, talk about high output.
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#3
i want a death adder, how do i contact them?
Guitars:
LTD Alexi-600 White & Black
LTD Alexi-200 Black(Death Adder pickup & Gold OFR)
Agile Interceptor Pro 727 7-string
Jackson JS30RR rhoads
Jackson DKMGT
Squire telecaster

amps:
Bugera 6262 212 loaded with WGS veteran 30's
#4
Here's their website:

Sidewynder Pickups
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#5
I called one of thier reps, stuart, and asked if he could ship one to the USA. he said the question would be payment, hopefully they have a paypal account or something similar. Maybe I can get one and report in on how good a pickup it is.

I know my EMG HZ is at around 17K, So it'll be nice to see what 22 sounds like
Guitars:
LTD Alexi-600 White & Black
LTD Alexi-200 Black(Death Adder pickup & Gold OFR)
Agile Interceptor Pro 727 7-string
Jackson JS30RR rhoads
Jackson DKMGT
Squire telecaster

amps:
Bugera 6262 212 loaded with WGS veteran 30's
#6
I sent one of thier dealers an email. A Death Adder with shipping from the UK is $150-160. I might got ahead and get one to try out, This might be one hell of a pickup.

I'm asking right now if paypal will work.
Guitars:
LTD Alexi-600 White & Black
LTD Alexi-200 Black(Death Adder pickup & Gold OFR)
Agile Interceptor Pro 727 7-string
Jackson JS30RR rhoads
Jackson DKMGT
Squire telecaster

amps:
Bugera 6262 212 loaded with WGS veteran 30's
#7
Quote by Gundamnitpete
I sent one of thier dealers an email. A Death Adder with shipping from the UK is $150-160. I might got ahead and get one to try out, This might be one hell of a pickup.

I'm asking right now if paypal will work.


You do realise that at that rate... you could get a Bare Knuckle Pickup right?

Also 22KΩ means you get a lot of gain and out, but you trade off a lot of the nuances of the pickups.
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#8
Quote by ragingkitty
You do realise that at that rate... you could get a Bare Knuckle Pickup right?

Lolwut?

BKP are a very good boutique pickup maker, but they're not the only one!


You guys realise CorduroyEW here has been making a 25K humbucker for a while now? $140 each.
Although why the **** anyone, except perhaps a jazz/experimental player, would want that much output is beyond me.


'High output' does not equal 'good for metal'. In fact, if you have a modern master volume amp with plenty of gain onboard, I'd advise you to go for the lowest-output pickup you can find.


Gundamnitpete, I assume you must be using something different to the amps in your sig? What amp have you got now?
#9
Quote by kyle62

'High output' does not equal 'good for metal'. In fact, if you have a modern master volume amp with plenty of gain onboard, I'd advise you to go for the lowest-output pickup you can find.


i disagree with that. Normally the higher output pickups are more voiced for metal. But i agree with not just seeing a ridiculously high DC resistance reading and going, "awesome!" and adding it to your cart, too.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#10
Quote by Dave_Mc
i disagree with that. Normally the higher output pickups are more voiced for metal.

The reason I say that is simply that most modern 'metal' amps have preamps with all the gain a player can ever need, so high-output pickups basically just muddy up the signal and lose clarity.

I think the balance of gain and clarity is what makes a 'metal' tone sound good, so if your amp can handle the gain on its own, your pickups should provide the clarity!
#11
again, i disagree. i've got an engl which has a ton of preamp gain, and my higher gain pickups sound more metal, and have more clarity, too, than my lower output pickups.
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#12
Quote by kyle62
Lolwut?

BKP are a very good boutique pickup maker, but they're not the only one!


You guys realise CorduroyEW here has been making a 25K humbucker for a while now? $140 each.
Although why the **** anyone, except perhaps a jazz/experimental player, would want that much output is beyond me.


'High output' does not equal 'good for metal'. In fact, if you have a modern master volume amp with plenty of gain onboard, I'd advise you to go for the lowest-output pickup you can find.


Gundamnitpete, I assume you must be using something different to the amps in your sig? What amp have you got now?


Bugera 6262 in a few days time, just waiting for the paycheck to hit the bank.


No one here has one of these so they can't say wiether it's good or bad. I'm gonna pick one up and put a voice to it. I've got the $150 to get a pickup that no one in the USA has (according to these dealers).

I think that's unique and pretty cool.

Also, i agree with the statement that generally my higher output pickups have better clarity than my low output ones.

When i do receive it i'll post up a mini-review on what i think of it.
Guitars:
LTD Alexi-600 White & Black
LTD Alexi-200 Black(Death Adder pickup & Gold OFR)
Agile Interceptor Pro 727 7-string
Jackson JS30RR rhoads
Jackson DKMGT
Squire telecaster

amps:
Bugera 6262 212 loaded with WGS veteran 30's
#13
Quote by kyle62
Lolwut?

BKP are a very good boutique pickup maker, but they're not the only one!


You want to know how many pickup makers I know of?

Amalfitano Pickups
www.amalfitanopickups.com

Angeltone Electronic
www.angeltone.com

Bare Knuckles
http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/

BG Pickups
http://www.norcalguitars.com
http://www.bg-pups.com/

Brandon Wound Pickups
http://www.brandonwoundpickups.com/

Bulldog Pickups
http://www.bulldogpickups.com/

Copperhead Pickups
http://www.copperheadpickups.com

Curtis Novak Guitars and Pickups
http://www.curtisnovak.com

DragonFire Guitars
http://www.dragonfireguitars.com/

Gadow Hand Wound Pickups
http://www.gadowguitars.com/gadow-hand-wound-pickups.html

GFS Pickups
http://store.guitarfetish.com/pickups.html

Harmonic Design
http://www.harmonicdesign.net/

Hanson Pickups
http://www.hansonpickups.com/

High Order Pickups
http://www.highorderpickups.com/

Iron Gear
http://www.irongear.co.uk/

James Reed Pickups
http://reedjamescustom.com/

Juicy Pickups
http://www.juicypickups.com

Joe Barden Engineering
http://www.joebarden.com

J. M. Rolph
http://www.jmrolph.com/

J S Morre Pickups
http://www.tonefordays.com/

Klein Pickups
http://www.kleinpickups.com/

Lollar Guitar Pickups
http://www.lollarguitars.com/

Manlius Guitar Pickups
http://www.manliusguitar.com/

Mojo Pickups
http://www.mojomusicalsupply.com/pickups.asp?id=65960&s=Custom%20Wound

Motor City Pickups
http://motorcitypickups.com/

O.C. Duff Pickups
http://www.ocduffpickups.com/

Patrick McDonald Handwound Pickups
Link unknown

Rio Grande Pickups
http://www.riograndepickups.com/

Rock Monkey
http://www.rockmonkeyguitars.com/

Rockfield Pickups
http://www.rockfieldpickups.com/

Rocketfire Pickups
http://www.1stgearmusic.com/rocketfirescatterwoundvintagesinglecoilstratpickups.aspx

Rumpelstiltskin Pickups
http://www.rumpelpickups.com/

S.K. Guitar Specialities
http://www.skguitar.com

Sheptone
http://www.sheptone.com/hum.htm

Shed Pickups
http://www.shedpickups.com

Skatterbrane
https://www.skatterbrane.com

Sidewynder Pickups
http://www.sidewynder.co.uk

Smit's Hand Wound Pickups
http://www.smitspickups.com/

Stan Hinesley Handwound Pickups
http://www.stanhinesleypickups.com/

Stephen Design
http://www.sdpickups.com/

Swineshead Pickups
http://www.swinesheadpickups.co.uk/

Throbak Electronics & Pickups
www.gundrymedia.typepad.com/

Timpson Music
http://www.timpsonmusic.com/html/tdm_pickups.html

Toneworks Custom Pickups
http://www.toneworks.co.uk/

Toneriders
http://www.tonerider.com/

Torres Engineering
http://www.torresamps.com/pickups.htm

WB Custom Pickups
http://www.wbpickups.com/

WCR
http://www.wcrguitar.com/

Witkowski Guitars
http://www.witkowskiguitars.com

Wizard Pickups Ltd
http://www.wizardpickups.co.uk

Wolfe Tone
http://www.wolfetone.com

Zhangbucker Pickups
zhangbucker@yahoo.com


I only mentioned Bare Knuckles because they are among the more expensive ones... about only second to Stephen Designs.

Quote by Dave_Mc
again, i disagree. i've got an engl which has a ton of preamp gain, and my higher gain pickups sound more metal, and have more clarity, too, than my lower output pickups.


Its not ALL about your amp. Your pickup needs to compliment your amp as well. Every component that impacts your tone all have a role to play. Which is also the reason why Eddie VH places so much emphasis on his pickups... right down to their positioning.

Also yes higher output does not always equal better or more metal.
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#14
Quote by ragingkitty

Its not ALL about your amp. Your pickup needs to compliment your amp as well. Every component that impacts your tone all have a role to play. Which is also the reason why Eddie VH places so much emphasis on his pickups... right down to their positioning.

Also yes higher output does not always equal better or more metal.


yeah, definitely. I see way too many posts saying that all you need for a good high gain tone is a good high gain (tube) amp, and while that's the obvious first step, to get the best tone you want to be fine tuning it with the guitar and pickups too.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#15
Quote by Dave_Mc
yeah, definitely. I see way too many posts saying that all you need for a good high gain tone is a good high gain (tube) amp, and while that's the obvious first step, to get the best tone you want to be fine tuning it with the guitar and pickups too.


UG GG&A has this massive obsession with getting the right amp to get a specific tone, what everyone seems to ignore is the fact that it takes more than just amp to arrive at a particular tone.

Yes a good amp will get you pretty far towards a tone, but things like the guitar weight, material, pickup etc all contribute towards tone.

If at all, I'd put pickups as the next most important thing aftler deciding on your amp. It translates the vibration of the strings into a signal that will eventually be processed.

Yes pickups are not the first thing to look at to achieve a tone, but it is also an important factor. Also, the dynamics of a low output pickup is completely different from a moderate output pickup which is also different from a high output pickup.

Its a huge fallacy to say that if you wanna play high gain metal, just crank the gain. Unfortunately, many "experts" or long time musicians who don't play high gain seem to love to dispense this little nugget of wisdom. Damnit, its like a chemical engineer teaching an civil engineering.
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"Damnit, its like a chemical engineer teaching an civil engineering."

excellent analogy. That really annoys me, when e.g. bluesers think they can dispense wisdom about metal amps, yet if a metal person tried to tell them what blues amp to get they'd tell him or her where to go.

to be fair to G G&A, the attachment of supreme importance to the amp does stem from the fact that, most of the time, people forget about the importance of the amp. But you're right, that's kind of turned into a backlash or bandwagon where only the amp is important, which isn't true either, especially if your current guitar and/or pickups really aren't aimed at the type of music you want to play either.

And the irony is that once you have that good amp, it's likely to show up your mediocre pickups much more, too. Kind of a vicious circle.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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Presumably because the CCF (Combined Corksniffing Forces) of MLP and Gibson forums would rise up against them, plunging the land into war.

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#17
Quote by Dave_Mc
excellent analogy. That really annoys me, when e.g. bluesers think they can dispense wisdom about metal amps, yet if a metal person tried to tell them what blues amp to get they'd tell him or her where to go.


Exactly. A certain blues player slag Krank amps right off as horrible amps in one interview with Guitar World...

I immediately lost all respect for his opinions.

Yes, he is an established artist.
Yes, he is a thousand times more talented than I am.
Yes, he in all likelihood has a ear that's a thousand times more tone-attuned than mine
Yes, he owns and has experience, with lots more gear than I do.

However, he is not a metal guitarist.

Rock and roll has a different tonal requirement from metal. The moment he slagged off Krank, I felt that he couldn't understand the tonal needs of other genres. I'll give it to him to say that he doesn't like it. However, to say Krank has terrible amp just because you don't use it... isn't something I expected from such an established guitarist.

Then again... its all a matter of opinion.

Quote by Dave_Mc
But you're right, that's kind of turned into a backlash or bandwagon where only the amp is important, which isn't true either, especially if your current guitar and/or pickups really aren't aimed at the type of music you want to play either.

And the irony is that once you have that good amp, it's likely to show up your mediocre pickups much more, too. Kind of a vicious circle.


Its a sign of supreme ignorance for the role every component in a guitar plays, when someone say... want gain... turn your gain up... you don't need low output pickup. What is lacking here is the understanding that turning the gain up will also significantly amplify the background and static sounds inherent in the pickups... generating all the fizz, hum and white noise.

Like you said, many underestimate the importance of factors such as pickups and guitar material as the amp gets better.
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#18
soo.......now an on topic post...


My pickup was shipped out today, i'll be out of town for a week, but when i get back i'll either solder it in myself or just take it to my tech.

i'll have either a 6262 or a 6505 112 to compare it with..
Guitars:
LTD Alexi-600 White & Black
LTD Alexi-200 Black(Death Adder pickup & Gold OFR)
Agile Interceptor Pro 727 7-string
Jackson JS30RR rhoads
Jackson DKMGT
Squire telecaster

amps:
Bugera 6262 212 loaded with WGS veteran 30's
#19
Haha

Yes on topic...

Please follow up with a review and sound clips if possible. If possible... compare the new pups to pre-existing ones from SD or Di.
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Quote by Dave_Mc
That really annoys me, when e.g. bluesers think they can dispense wisdom about metal amps, yet if a metal person tried to tell them what blues amp to get they'd tell him or her where to go.

You haven't taken me for a 'blueser' have you?

Anyway, although I'm happy to agree with some of the points raised (I've just fitted a 15K bridge bucker in my Tele and it's breathed life back into my amp), I think I should rephrase what I was trying to say with my earlier comments.
Basically, hot p/ups are fine, but frankly 22K is too hot. If you feel you really require that kind of output, it's not the pickups that are the problem with your rig, it's something else.
The reason people buy EMGs (well the people who actually sound good) is for the greater clarity, not the output.

Quite honestly, the best heavy tones I've heard are mid-gain pickups (we're talking JB type output) with a pretty heavily driven amp. Start sticking 22K p/ups in gfront of a high-gain amp and you might as well be running a Metal Zone through a Powerblock, for all the articulation and clarity you're going to hear.
#21
Quote by ragingkitty
Haha

Yes on topic...

Please follow up with a review and sound clips if possible. If possible... compare the new pups to pre-existing ones from SD or Di.



I'm afriad i don't have any guitars with SD or Di pickups, however i do have two with EMG HZ's, so those will be the pickups i do the main comparison with.
Guitars:
LTD Alexi-600 White & Black
LTD Alexi-200 Black(Death Adder pickup & Gold OFR)
Agile Interceptor Pro 727 7-string
Jackson JS30RR rhoads
Jackson DKMGT
Squire telecaster

amps:
Bugera 6262 212 loaded with WGS veteran 30's
#22
Quote by kyle62
You haven't taken me for a 'blueser' have you?

Anyway, although I'm happy to agree with some of the points raised (I've just fitted a 15K bridge bucker in my Tele and it's breathed life back into my amp), I think I should rephrase what I was trying to say with my earlier comments.
Basically, hot p/ups are fine, but frankly 22K is too hot. If you feel you really require that kind of output, it's not the pickups that are the problem with your rig, it's something else.
The reason people buy EMGs (well the people who actually sound good) is for the greater clarity, not the output.

Quite honestly, the best heavy tones I've heard are mid-gain pickups (we're talking JB type output) with a pretty heavily driven amp. Start sticking 22K p/ups in gfront of a high-gain amp and you might as well be running a Metal Zone through a Powerblock, for all the articulation and clarity you're going to hear.



Having never played a 22K pickup i will wait to make my decision on if it's too hot or not.


to each his own. I may find these pups to be exactly what i'm looking for, or i might not like them at all.


gimme a couple weeks and i'll let you know
Guitars:
LTD Alexi-600 White & Black
LTD Alexi-200 Black(Death Adder pickup & Gold OFR)
Agile Interceptor Pro 727 7-string
Jackson JS30RR rhoads
Jackson DKMGT
Squire telecaster

amps:
Bugera 6262 212 loaded with WGS veteran 30's
#23
Quote by Gundamnitpete
Having never played a 22K pickup i will wait to make my decision on if it's too hot or not.


to each his own. I may find these pups to be exactly what i'm looking for, or i might not like them at all.


gimme a couple weeks and i'll let you know

Indeed, there's only one way to find out

Have fun, with the peace of mind that you can probably sell it for very close to original value if it's not for you!
#24
Quote by kyle62
Indeed, there's only one way to find out

Have fun, with the peace of mind that you can probably sell it for very close to original value if it's not for you!


+1

If you're not entirely certain about it... I'd recommend not doing any soldering on the wires until you are.

Use masking tape to tape the hook up wires to the pickup selector lugs and you'll be able to use the pup.
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#25
I'll be installing it in an alexi 200, if i like it i'll move it over to my 600.


they don't have a pickup selector, just one volume knob. could i tape the leads to the volume knob's lugs?

thanks for the help guys.
Guitars:
LTD Alexi-600 White & Black
LTD Alexi-200 Black(Death Adder pickup & Gold OFR)
Agile Interceptor Pro 727 7-string
Jackson JS30RR rhoads
Jackson DKMGT
Squire telecaster

amps:
Bugera 6262 212 loaded with WGS veteran 30's
#26
Quote by Gundamnitpete
I'll be installing it in an alexi 200, if i like it i'll move it over to my 600.


they don't have a pickup selector, just one volume knob. could i tape the leads to the volume knob's lugs?

thanks for the help guys.


Yeah you can.

What you do is to first unsolder the original pickup. Take note of where the wires went.

Do a translation for wire colour coding.

Tape the new pickups wires to where they should go.

Put your guitar back together.

Rwak out.

You just need metal to metal contact for signal transmission. If you like the pickup, then only solder it on. Otherwise, you'd end up soldering the pup to the 200, then unsoldering it... then resoldering it to the 600.

Masking tape's faster and cleaner. That way, if you decide to sell it, you can say its practically unused... which is true (to an extent) as seeing that you didn't even solder the wires or cut it.
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#27
yep. I fly electric RC airplanes as a second hobby so i'm fairly competant with a soldering iron.

Thanks for the clarification, i'll post up when i've got it.
Guitars:
LTD Alexi-600 White & Black
LTD Alexi-200 Black(Death Adder pickup & Gold OFR)
Agile Interceptor Pro 727 7-string
Jackson JS30RR rhoads
Jackson DKMGT
Squire telecaster

amps:
Bugera 6262 212 loaded with WGS veteran 30's
#28
Quote by Gundamnitpete
yep. I fly electric RC airplanes as a second hobby so i'm fairly competant with a soldering iron.


Haha... I assumed you were competent.

I'm just highlighting the benefits in terms of time savings when using masking tape as a stop-gap to test your tone. More so since you intend to transfer the pickup to a second guitar.
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#29
Just sayin, I prefer higher output pickups through my vetta for metal tones, but not as much for clean or blues stuff.
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#30
I find that my ceramic warpigs get a little hard to dial out their huge thick tone to something a bit more crunchy, but when I found out how to work it with my amp, WOAH. HUGE CRUNCH
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I find that my ceramic warpigs get a little hard to dial out their huge thick tone to something a bit more crunchy, but when I found out how to work it with my amp, WOAH. HUGE CRUNCH
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#32
Quote by ragingkitty
Exactly. A certain blues player slag Krank amps right off as horrible amps in one interview with Guitar World...

I immediately lost all respect for his opinions.

Yes, he is an established artist.
Yes, he is a thousand times more talented than I am.
Yes, he in all likelihood has a ear that's a thousand times more tone-attuned than mine
Yes, he owns and has experience, with lots more gear than I do.

However, he is not a metal guitarist.

Rock and roll has a different tonal requirement from metal. The moment he slagged off Krank, I felt that he couldn't understand the tonal needs of other genres. I'll give it to him to say that he doesn't like it. However, to say Krank has terrible amp just because you don't use it... isn't something I expected from such an established guitarist.

Then again... its all a matter of opinion.


Its a sign of supreme ignorance for the role every component in a guitar plays, when someone say... want gain... turn your gain up... you don't need low output pickup. What is lacking here is the understanding that turning the gain up will also significantly amplify the background and static sounds inherent in the pickups... generating all the fizz, hum and white noise.

Like you said, many underestimate the importance of factors such as pickups and guitar material as the amp gets better.



Quote by kyle62
(a) You haven't taken me for a 'blueser' have you?

(b) Anyway, although I'm happy to agree with some of the points raised (I've just fitted a 15K bridge bucker in my Tele and it's breathed life back into my amp), I think I should rephrase what I was trying to say with my earlier comments.
Basically, hot p/ups are fine, but frankly 22K is too hot. If you feel you really require that kind of output, it's not the pickups that are the problem with your rig, it's something else.
The reason people buy EMGs (well the people who actually sound good) is for the greater clarity, not the output.

Quite honestly, the best heavy tones I've heard are mid-gain pickups (we're talking JB type output) with a pretty heavily driven amp. Start sticking 22K p/ups in gfront of a high-gain amp and you might as well be running a Metal Zone through a Powerblock, for all the articulation and clarity you're going to hear.


(a) nah, that wasn't aimed at you, sorry if it appeared that way I just meant in general. I love the blues too, just i meant that i wouldn't take advice about metal amps from blues guys, and likewise i wouldn't take advice about blues amps from metal guys.

(b) yeah, probably (though, as you probably know, the dc resistance doesn't tell you everything). I consider the JB to be really hot, too, so it's entirely possible we're talking at cross purposes.
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#33
i installed the pickup in my Alexi-200 today.

first impressions, pretty nice pup, sounds very well balanced.

In comparision to the stock "esp" pickup, it's accautly pretty similar. Although this pup picksup pinch and natural harmonics extremely well. overall i'm pleased with it. I'll post a NPD soon most likely.
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Jackson JS30RR rhoads
Jackson DKMGT
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amps:
Bugera 6262 212 loaded with WGS veteran 30's
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i installed the pickup in my Alexi-200 today.

first impressions, pretty nice pup, sounds very well balanced.

In comparision to the stock "esp" pickup, it's accautly pretty similar. Although this pup picksup pinch and natural harmonics extremely well. overall i'm pleased with it. I'll post a NPD soon most likely.


Similar... how similar?

It should be steps up from the HZ... the HZ was harsh and shrilly... you'd need a amp with good dist to cover up the HZ's shrill.

If anything the hand-wound should be miles above the HZ.
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I'm using a Bugera 6262, tone very similar to the 5150/6505.

I don't want to sell it short, it could be alot better than the HZ, i haven't yet played them back to back. I do enjoy the fact that it picks up pinchs so well (only pups i've played that pick them up better are active EMGs).

I will record some sound clips back to back with the same amp settings soon. The differences between the two may be more clear then.

If i had to choose, i'd most likely take the death adder.
Guitars:
LTD Alexi-600 White & Black
LTD Alexi-200 Black(Death Adder pickup & Gold OFR)
Agile Interceptor Pro 727 7-string
Jackson JS30RR rhoads
Jackson DKMGT
Squire telecaster

amps:
Bugera 6262 212 loaded with WGS veteran 30's
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#36
so, i was completely wrong.

After playing both guitars back to back, i'd take the death adder anyday.

I just picked up a mic so maybe tonight i'll make a few records to demonstrate the difference.

Also, played a 6506+at GC with an 81. Honestly, i liked my home sound of bugera and death adder, fit my style more.
Guitars:
LTD Alexi-600 White & Black
LTD Alexi-200 Black(Death Adder pickup & Gold OFR)
Agile Interceptor Pro 727 7-string
Jackson JS30RR rhoads
Jackson DKMGT
Squire telecaster

amps:
Bugera 6262 212 loaded with WGS veteran 30's
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so, i was completely wrong.

After playing both guitars back to back, i'd take the death adder anyday.


That makes sense, but it still doesn't tell us what the pickup sounds like.
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That makes sense, but it still doesn't tell us what the pickup sounds like.



this is true. wait a day or so and you can decide with your own ears
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LTD Alexi-200 Black(Death Adder pickup & Gold OFR)
Agile Interceptor Pro 727 7-string
Jackson JS30RR rhoads
Jackson DKMGT
Squire telecaster

amps:
Bugera 6262 212 loaded with WGS veteran 30's
#39
haha, that happened me when i switched pickups before. Noticed an improvement, sure, but it seemed fairly subtle. Then when i went to try other pickups, and went back to my new ones, I noticed the difference.

the big problem, i find anyway, is that with any gear, even badass stuff, you get used to it very quickly, and it becomes "normal".
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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the big problem, i find anyway, is that with any gear, even badass stuff, you get used to it very quickly, and it becomes "normal".


I completely agree with this.

Cool and unique gear becomes "normal" after a period of use. Its only when you use less epic gear than you are able to appreciate the gear for what it is.
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