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Anyone hear this story on the news this morning?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224906/First-1000-UK-train-fare-Newquay-Kyle-Lochalsh-sparks-outrage-soaring-prices.html

A first class ticket from Newquay to a place on the west coast of Scotland will set you back £1002. Is it any wonder that the first-class carriage is ALWAYS empty whenever I get on ANY train.

Bit of a disgrace in my opinion.
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its bloody expensive going anywhere on the train now

My day out to London on saturday is going to cost me 75 quid alone in train fares
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My day out to London on saturday is going to cost me 75 quid alone in train fares





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#6
For some reason I can usually get a 1st class ticket from Sheffield to Scarborough or vice versa for a few quid cheaper than standard class. Which makes little sense to me

Not that has any bearing on this conversation, but it is another similar story of UK train madness
#8
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My day out to London on saturday is going to cost me 75 quid alone in train fares

crap. a trip across the state for me is about 7 bucks...
but we're in minnesota, and it's probably a shorter trip than yours
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#9
It costs £7.10 just to get to Southend

Would honestly be cheaper to drive.

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crap. a trip across the state for me is about 7 bucks...
but we're in minnesota, and it's probably a shorter trip than yours

It's about 300 miles, but most train fares in this country are just extortionate.
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My day out to London on saturday is going to cost me 75 quid alone in train fares



if you book up more in advance it will be alot cheaper
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if you book up more in advance it will be alot cheaper


Yes, but that relies on one making their plans weeks or months in advance. That's just ridiculously inconvenient.
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if you book up more in advance it will be alot cheaper

It was a surprise that I was able to go, so I only had about 3 weeks to book it.
Even if you book it months in advance, you don't often get that much discount.

It might be because I have to travel with North Eastern Trains, but the cheapest I've ever got to London and back is for about 50 quid.
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#16
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Yes, but that relies on one making their plans weeks or months in advance. That's just ridiculously inconvenient.

Never quite understood why people rail at paying more when they could simply go at the time that, chances are, they'd go anyway for about a third of the price. I got from Derby to London and back for £30 the other day. I'd say that's pretty convenient.
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My day out to London on saturday is going to cost me 75 quid alone in train fares

You need to book in advance mate, theres massive saving to be made
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Never quite understood why people rail at paying more when they could simply go at the time that, chances are, they'd go anyway for about a third of the price. I got from Derby to London and back for £30 the other day. I'd say that's pretty convenient.


I find £30 pretty steep, actually. It cost me around £30 to get from Bath to London and back, with a student discount anyway, and I think that's far too much.

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Not exactly. If there were more competition with train companies, then prices would fall - look at aeroplane tickets and how cheaply one can fly now. That's the logic behind a lot of privatisations, keep costs down through competition.

But with trains, it's very difficult to have multiple companies competing due to the fact that trains are limited by rails, and too many trains on the rails would lead to crashes, or just very tricky arrangements of time tables. So what's happened is one company pretty much has total control over their region, First is dominant, and since there's no competition, they can hike up prices. So yeah, with trains, nationalise them, but not all privatisation is bad.
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#20
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You need to book in advance mate, theres massive saving to be made

As i said, didn't have any advance warning so I've just had to book it recently.
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#21
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I find £30 pretty steep, actually. It cost me around £30 to get from Bath to London and back, with a student discount anyway, and I think that's far too much.


Not exactly. If there were more competition with train companies, then prices would fall - look at aeroplane tickets and how cheaply one can fly now. That's the logic behind a lot of privatisations, keep costs down through competition.

But with trains, it's very difficult to have multiple companies competing due to the fact that trains are limited by rails, and too many trains on the rails would lead to crashes, or just very tricky arrangements of time tables. So what's happened is one company pretty much has total control over their region, First is dominant, and since there's no competition, they can hike up prices. So yeah, with trains, nationalise them, but not all privatisation is bad.

Far more often than not, there are cartels and rings that form around post-privatization companies. Look at the gas suppliers in this country. Wholesale gas has fallen to around 1/3 of what it was, and customers have seen little appreciable difference in prices. It has always been thus...

But yes, nationalize the railways again! We're damned if Cameron will, mind.
#23
It's getting bad here in Canada too. Costs 25 bucks to go to London from here (100 km). So 50 bucks there and back, for a 1 hour ride...

And it's like 100-150 to get to Toronto and back (300 km there, 600 both ways)...
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Any price to get out of newquay.
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#26
I'd say just take a greayhound. They are pretty cheap, although very uncomfy.
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#27
Ah well... I guess they just have a strange way of saying they want the whole rail network to be closed down; keep it up!
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#30
lol it cost me £40 to go from Edinburgh to Aberdeen about 6 months ago standard off peak imagine what thats like when it peak time its pretty despicable.

Also from where i live from Linlithgow to Glasgow is about what £12 now its totally horrendous if you are like me and love to gig a lot now the train costs more than my Set your goal's ticket rofl its pretty pathetic and they moan at us for not using public transport?
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#31
Ridiculous, my dad and I have booked return flights for two to Spain for a penny each, (6 months in advance) then paid about twenty quid airport tax. In Italy I've gone on a 100 mile+ train journey (and back) in a warm, clean train for under 10 Euros, bought the ticket on the day with no weird discount.

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#32
You can complain about rail fares all you like, its still the cheapest (and greenest for you hippies) form of medium-distance travel around.

The only realistic alternative for the distances involved is the car - but not only do you actually have to buy a car, you have to insure it (not cheap), and you have to fuel it (which really is expensive). Added to that the economic and logistic ramifications of 200 people travelling in 200 cars as opposed to 1 train ie carbon emissions and traffic volumes.

Anyway, the reason behind all this is not directly because of Privitisation, rather the way train operating companies are run on a contract basis. If you run a train operating company whos on a 10 year contract to operate a certain francise, wheres the incentive to improve services, attract more people onto trains and ultimately give people value for money? The short answer is there is none, because in 10 years time youll have to hand the francise back anyway...


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#33
Depends on which service you use.

I got a return ticket to Norfolk and it only cost me £27, which is reasonable to me.
#34
I can get train tickets for a tenner usually, provided I leave at a certain time.
Went from Dublin to Cork last week for that price.
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#35
Costs like £36 on a motorcycle if I calculated correctly (3 l/100 km, 1140 km according to google directions).
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#36
Quote by Kensai
Costs like £36 on a motorcycle if I calculated correctly (3 l/100 km, 1140 km according to google directions).

Bear in mind that it's always raining and cold in Scotland.
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Bear in mind that it's always raining and cold in Scotland.

Unlike england

Looks quaint as hell, I wouldn't mind going there.
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#38
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Bear in mind that it's always raining and cold in Scotland.


looks outside.Nope no rain here today.
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#39
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Unlike england

Looks quaint as hell, I wouldn't mind going there.

Pssh, they wouldn't know quaint if it bit them in the ass.
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