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This would be a good thing.
15 16%
This would be a bad thing.
58 61%
Undecided.
22 23%
Voters: 95.
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#1
Cheers to James for jogging my memory of this passage.

Anyway, back in the day, an old chap named Nietzsche wrote:

"What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: "This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence—even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned upside down again and again, and you with it, speck of dust!"

Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: "You are a god and never have I heard anything more divine." If this thought gained possession of you, it would change you as you are or perhaps crush you. The question in each and every thing, "Do you desire this once more and innumerable times more?" would lie upon your actions as the greatest weight. Or how well disposed would you have to become to yourself and to life to crave nothing more fervently than this ultimate eternal confirmation and seal?"


Let's not to take this to extreme of severely good or severely bad but lets take this up.

If you we forced to live your life again, up to this point in time, living every pleasure, every pain, acting out every choice again and being conscious of it, for all eternity, would this be a good thing for you or a bad thing?
#4
No, I hate repetitive stuff. Which is also why I don't listen to AC/DC.
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#7
Grindar, reported.

That was a really interesting read. But I wouldn't. Not even once.
#8
Hmm, I don't know. Neither I guess. I'd wish the opportunity never came around in the first place.
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#10
I dunno, I'm only 18. I wanna wait some more and get a longer life in. I'm leaning towards no, but if I have a good life in the future, maybe yeah.
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They really haven't IP banned you by now? Or do you have one of them fancy bypass thingamajigs?

Anyways, OT:

I would hate that. It sounds insanely depressing.
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#14
If it were this moment, I'd be pissed, but if I had this moment's warning and the real moment was much later, it might be okay.

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#17
If I were not consciously aware that I were repeating my life exactly the same way for all of infinity (until of course this demon lets me know at which point the process will begin anew) every time I am reborn then sure, I wouldn't mind it.
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#18
Hmmm... far be it from me to question Nietzsche, but that doesn't quite make sense.

If you were concious of the fact that you are reliving your life then you would naturally want to change some of the decisions you made. And if that ability to make choices is taken away from you (so that everything will happen the same way), then you wouldn't actually be conciously "reliving" your life, would you? Just.... watching it.
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#19
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They really haven't IP banned you by now? Or do you have one of them fancy bypass thingamajigs?

Anyways, OT:

I would hate that. It sounds insanely depressing.


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#20
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If I were not consciously aware that I were repeating my life exactly the same way for all of infinity (until of course this demon lets me know) everytime I am reborn then sure, I wouldn't mind it.

That's not what the question asks for though.
#21
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Hmmm... far be it from me to question Nietzsche, but that doesn't quite make sense.

If you were concious of the fact that you are reliving your life then you would naturally want to change some of the decisions you made. And if that ability to make choices is taken away from you (so that everything will happen the same way), then you wouldn't actually be conciously "reliving" your life, would you? Just.... watching it.

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#22
I think it would be a bad thing, but as someone said if you were consciously reliving it then surely you'd be able to change it, but if you weren't able to change it then you wouldn't really be reliving it would you?
#23
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Hmmm... far be it from me to question Nietzsche, but that doesn't quite make sense.

If you were concious of the fact that you are reliving your life then you would naturally want to change some of the decisions you made. And if that ability to make choices is taken away from you (so that everything will happen the same way), then you wouldn't actually be conciously "reliving" your life, would you? Just.... watching it.

It's a mere thought experiment. You'll just have to be quiet and accept it. I mean, seriously, why is Plato's Cave one of the best known thought experiments in the History of Mankind? Doesn't have to be perfect, just understood.
#24
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That's not what the question asks for though.

Well what in that passage suggests that you will be aware you are repeating decisions precisely and in this infinite cycle?

As far as I can tell you wouldn't until the demon tells you at the end and at that point the hourglass is flipped and you begin again ignorant of this information.

If I were consciously aware of this throughout my whole life and am unable to deviate from the path laid out before me then that would certainly be a bad thing.
#25
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It's a mere thought experiment. You'll just have to be quiet and accept it. I mean, seriously, why is Plato's Cave one of the best known thought experiments in the History of Mankind? Doesn't have to be perfect, just understood.

The difference being that he's not pointing out a fallacy in The Cave, but in this. If the premise of the experiment doesn't make sense, how can the thought stemming from it?

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#26
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Hmmm... far be it from me to question Nietzsche, but that doesn't quite make sense.

If you were concious of the fact that you are reliving your life then you would naturally want to change some of the decisions you made. And if that ability to make choices is taken away from you (so that everything will happen the same way), then you wouldn't actually be conciously "reliving" your life, would you? Just.... watching it.

It's a mere thought experiment. You'll just have to be quiet and accept it. I mean, seriously, why is Plato's Cave one of the best known thought experiments in the History of Mankind? Doesn't have to be perfect, just understood.
#27
I think that my life is on the up, and definitely not where I quite want it to be, although it is getting there, so no. Also, I'm only seventeen, not enough has happened to warrant it being repeated over and over.
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#28
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The difference being that he's not pointing out a fallacy in The Cave, but in this. If the premise of the experiment doesn't make sense, how can the thought stemming from it?

The thought experiment allows Nietzsche to make an argument, the premise of which is that true happiness is eternal. This is how he explains it.

He was arguing that the thought experiment does not make perfect sense yet neither does Plato's Cave. In fact, when you think about it, Plato's Cave is utterly absurd.
#29
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It's a mere thought experiment. You'll just have to be quiet and accept it. I mean, seriously, why is Plato's Cave one of the best known thought experiments in the History of Mankind? Doesn't have to be perfect, just understood.


Ah, okay then
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#32
I don't think I'd want to do that. Maybe if you asked me further down the line when everything has paid off a little, then yes.

Now if you had asked me if I wanted to live my life over with everything around me happening the same, a la the movie Groundhog Day, I'd say most definitely. I think it would be amazing to try to live my life differently each time, either only slightly or completely changed.
#33
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The thought experiment allows Nietzsche to make an argument, the premise of which is that true happiness is eternal. This is how he explains it.
I guess that makes sense. It just doesn't work on its own.

He was arguing that the thought experiment does not make perfect sense yet neither does Plato's Cave. In fact, when you think about it, Plato's Cave is utterly absurd.

The Cave is an allegory, not a thought experiment

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#37
Probably a close call but at the moment I'd say no the bad stuff outweighs the good.

That passage always gets me thinking though. I think the main message is not so much an evaluation of how your life has gone so far although that plays into it, I think it's also a call to live your life more fully in the future so that if you picked 'bad thing' now you might be inspired to make sure to act to ensure that if anyone asks the question again you can pick 'good thing'.
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#38
If you had to relive your life up to this point the exact same way for eternity you wouldn't really have control of your actions or your "life"...which would suck.
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#39
Bad. I lived my life once and unless I could change something I wouldn't want to live it again over and over and over.
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#40
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Probably a close call but at the moment I'd say no the bad stuff outweighs the good.

That passage always gets me thinking though. I think the main message is not so much an evaluation of how your life has gone so far although that plays into it, I think it's also a call to live your life more fully in the future so that if you picked 'bad thing' now you might be inspired to make sure to act to ensure that if anyone asks the question again you can pick 'good thing'.

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