#1
Do you think it's a bit odd that in every movie, TV show, magazine article, etc. if there is a gay/lesbian person, the subject is always their sexuality? For example, if there was some show about doctors in a hospital and one of the doctors was gay... it would be fully expected that practically any episode centered around them would only be about their sexuality or something concerning it. They cant just be the doctor who happens to be gay and that's the end of it. Or, if it wasnt entioned, one would just assume they are straight and it's suddenly a huge deal when people do find out they are gay. Is it really that crazy or interesting?
Quote by Arthur Curry
it's official, vintage x metal is the saving grace of this board and/or the antichrist




e-married to
theguitarist
minterman22
tateandlyle
& alaskan_ninja

#2
ive never thought about that, but thats an interesting point

how come you keep coming up with interesting shit?

I think its because a lot of the general viewing public is still highly ignorant to the realities of homosexuality. They still keep away from it and anything associated with it like the plague.

Ignorance is a disease! Other countries should be giving America care packages for all the ignoramuses around.
Quote by -Collapse-
Oh, hello mister tracer! Lets dance!
Quote by CodySG
And we all poop in the sandwiches!


New Drug Chat, Eh? CLICK HERE


pass: misterhoffman
Last edited by poopsmith666 at Nov 4, 2009,
#3
It's because the only interesting thing about gay people is their gayness. They appear normal, up until they start raping.
You know, when Manowar retired from racing, they put him out to stud, and he had an average of 120, 130 foals every year. And when he died, they did an autopsy and found out he was a raving queen.
#4
It's like the whole thing when J. K. Rowling said in a press release that Dumbledore was supposed to be gay. Suddenly it was a big deal, because it was never mentioned in any of the books and everyone just assumed he was straight.

EDIT: *braces self for anti-Harry Potter flaming*
-Rudy

Quote by blackthought
Sometimes it's best to prepare for the worst possible eventuality... sex with Bill Murray.
Quote by DukeDeRox
I'm as shallow as a dry lake bed.
#5
There's a name for this thing you're doing but I forgot what it is... =/
████████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
█████████████████████████
██████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
#6
Unfortunately, because of how the world work, it's somewhat like that in real life as well. Announce that you're not a homosexual, and there are bound to changes in the way people look at you and treat you.

I think, like the sexuality of gay characters in the media is always the center of attention, people in real life are always going to be at least partly focused on the fact that the person they're talking to is gay, and behave differently because of that. Not everyone will, of course, but I'm talking in general.
#7
Quote by therudycometh
It's like the whole thing when J. K. Rowling said in a press release that Dumbledore was supposed to be gay. Suddenly it was a big deal, because it was never mentioned in any of the books and everyone just assumed he was straight.

EDIT: *braces self for anti-Harry Potter flaming*

Yeah, exactly. I mean it makes perfect sense for him to be gay, and it's not like it changed a damn thing in the story. Why would it be a big deal?
Quote by Arthur Curry
it's official, vintage x metal is the saving grace of this board and/or the antichrist




e-married to
theguitarist
minterman22
tateandlyle
& alaskan_ninja

#8
This is one of the great things about The Wire. Omar is gay, but that's pretty much all the attention it gets. He's gay, deal with it. It's downplayed in such a way that makes him seem like another human. Which is what it should be. Same with Kima.

There's another character who's hinted at being gay as well, but I won't spoil that for anyone who's watching, as the reveal is awesome.
FUCK YOU! GET PUMPED!
#9
Quote by vintage x metal
Yeah, exactly. I mean it makes perfect sense for him to be gay, and it's not like it changed a damn thing in the story. Why would it be a big deal?

well maybe because he takes a very "special" interest in harry, and often invites him to "private sessions" and into his office...
Quote by -Collapse-
Oh, hello mister tracer! Lets dance!
Quote by CodySG
And we all poop in the sandwiches!


New Drug Chat, Eh? CLICK HERE


pass: misterhoffman
#10
Quote by poopsmith666
well maybe because he takes a very "special" interest in harry, and often invites him to "private sessions" and into his office...

... and?
#11
Quote by poopsmith666
well maybe because he takes a very "special" interest in harry, and often invites him to "private sessions" and into his office...

They said he was gay, not a pedophile. It's not like just because he likes guys he's going to suddenly like every guy he meets. Plus I'm sure Dumbledore could get plenty dudes his own age, he's all... powerful and famous and humble and whatnot. Anyway, look at that beard. Phew.
Quote by Arthur Curry
it's official, vintage x metal is the saving grace of this board and/or the antichrist




e-married to
theguitarist
minterman22
tateandlyle
& alaskan_ninja

#14
Well in those shows, if they didn't want to talk about the person's sexuality, they could have left out said person's sexual orientation in the first place
The content of this signature is pretty much irrelevant
#15
Quote by vintage x metal
They said he was gay, not a pedophile. It's not like just because he likes guys he's going to suddenly like every guy he meets. Plus I'm sure Dumbledore could get plenty dudes his own age, he's all... powerful and famous and humble and whatnot. Anyway, look at that beard. Phew.

dont get your panties in a knot lol, i was kidding

That's the same sort of mentality as people who are afraid of showering or sleeping in the same room as a gay person, because they think theyre going to get raped?? if a guy and a girl sleep in the same room, or use a public shower in the same space, the guy isnt just automatically gonna rape the girl, jeez., what makes a gay peron different in that respect?

and i hope we can keep this thread just mature enough to not have people say "0 ya d00d she gon get raped!! hhaa"
Quote by -Collapse-
Oh, hello mister tracer! Lets dance!
Quote by CodySG
And we all poop in the sandwiches!


New Drug Chat, Eh? CLICK HERE


pass: misterhoffman
#17
It's incredibly small-minded of whoever writes that into a show. I always like it when it's downplayed to the extent that the writers even acknowledge they are just another character, not diseased or anything...
#18
Or whenever a lesbian movie is produced the subjects are either a) Men are bad/uncompassionate and b) Religion.


Really annoying.
#19
Ok, I'm probably gonna offend someone by saying this, but I'll say it anyway because I'm on the internet and am basking in anonymity.

If there was a gay character in a TV show who did absolutely nothing to indicate he was gay, what there be any purpose to having a gay character? He would be no different if he were straight, or even asexual.

I think that when scriptwriters come up with characters, they give them particular traits for a reason (I don't know if you'd call homosexuality a "trait", but it's certainly a contributing factor to the overall character). Why give them a certain trait if it doesn't affect them at all? That, from a TV point of view, would be rather boring.
#20
It's because they're different from the majority, so media thinks we all want to know what it's like, how it feels. But I ask you this, straight people: Do you really want to know how being gay feels?

[IN PHIL WE TRUST]


Quote by Trowzaa
I only play bots. Bots never abandon me. (´・ω・`)

#21
Quote by SteveHouse
It's because they're different from the majority, so media thinks we all want to know what it's like, how it feels. But I ask you this, straight people: Do you really want to know how being gay feels?

No, but it usually means some lesbian action so I roll with it.
████████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
█████████████████████████
██████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
#22
Quote by SteveHouse
It's because they're different from the majority, so media thinks we all want to know what it's like, how it feels. But I ask you this, straight people: Do you really want to know how being gay feels?


Yes, the butts of men are itching to know.
#23
Quote by sashki
Ok, I'm probably gonna offend someone by saying this, but I'll say it anyway because I'm on the internet and am basking in anonymity.

If there was a gay character in a TV show who did absolutely nothing to indicate he was gay, what there be any purpose to having a gay character? He would be no different if he were straight, or even asexual.

I think that when scriptwriters come up with characters, they give them particular traits for a reason (I don't know if you'd call homosexuality a "trait", but it's certainly a contributing factor to the overall character). Why give them a certain trait if it doesn't affect them at all? That, from a TV point of view, would be rather boring.

That's the thing, though. It's not really a 'trait'. It can be completely normal and irrelevant to the plot but still prevelant in the show... For instance, the character has to leave because he has a date with his boyfriend, so the other people in the room are left alone. However, if he says 'boyfriend' it suddenly is a big deal.

I understand what you mean; everything is put into a show for a reason. It just seems weird that being gay is considered so abnormal to the point where everyone is straight unless the homosexuality has some kind of influence. It's ultimately a societal flaw, not a media-based one, even if it is fueled by the media.
Quote by Arthur Curry
it's official, vintage x metal is the saving grace of this board and/or the antichrist




e-married to
theguitarist
minterman22
tateandlyle
& alaskan_ninja

#24
I've noticed this and it bothers the living hell out of me. There are so many more facets to a human being other than sexuality, it's completely asinine to think that one thing is the absolute center of anyone's world, let alone across the board in an entire group of people like homosexuals. I've actually got a couple of lesbian friends who joined the GSA at my college and quit after one meeting because it was "too gay".

Mad Men is guilty of this with Sal, but I think they handled it a bit more subtly gracefully than a lot of other shows.
Listen to mah discs.



And coming soon, THE CLEVER DEVILS VS. THE BLONDES.

Vote for me in the
#25
yes. that is true. this is because of the heteronormative nature of popular culture. it is unfortunate.
my name is matt. you can call me that if you like.
#26
Quote by sashki
Ok, I'm probably gonna offend someone by saying this, but I'll say it anyway because I'm on the internet and am basking in anonymity.

If there was a gay character in a TV show who did absolutely nothing to indicate he was gay, what there be any purpose to having a gay character? He would be no different if he were straight, or even asexual.

I think that when scriptwriters come up with characters, they give them particular traits for a reason (I don't know if you'd call homosexuality a "trait", but it's certainly a contributing factor to the overall character). Why give them a certain trait if it doesn't affect them at all? That, from a TV point of view, would be rather boring.

With that logic though, why make a black character unless they're going to act "black" or whatever?

High five for mentioning asexuality though
FUCK YOU! GET PUMPED!
#27
Quote by vintage x metal
That's the thing, though. It's not really a 'trait'. It can be completely normal and irrelevant to the plot but still prevelant in the show... For instance, the character has to leave because he has a date with his boyfriend, so the other people in the room are left alone. However, if he says 'boyfriend' it suddenly is a big deal.

I understand what you mean; everything is put into a show for a reason. It just seems weird that being gay is considered so abnormal to the point where everyone is straight unless the homosexuality has some kind of influence. It's ultimately a societal flaw, not a media-based one, even if it is fueled by the media.

Well, with all due respect to gay people, they are still considered relatively unusual by the majority.

It seems to me that they've been getting a lot more attention over the past few years, with specific references in TV shows and stuff, as you said. But then again, I haven't been alive long enough to know what it was like for previous generations.

Also, why can't the gay character just say that he has a date with someone, rather than specify their partner's gender?

Besides, television will always be provocative to keep people interested. Is there really a reason to get offended over gay characters in certain TV shows?

A whole bunch of action and crime movies always have bad guys from Russia. From what I've seen, that's the most common portrayal of a russian person: a heavy drinker with ties to the mafia, who kills anyone he doesn't like and always gets away with it. As I'm russian, people have made that connection with me, making assumptions that my father is involved in organised crime and oligarchy. That was in 5th grade. Did it annoy me? Yes, because it was a joke that was getting old, but it was not offensive, since
1) I know that organized crime is big in russia, and all the stereotypes portrayed are probably not too far from the truth
2) I am not like the stereotype. Why should I be offended about something that doesn't apply to me?

I know that was a bit of an arrogant rant, but I needed an example.
Quote by SuperBlob
With that logic though, why make a black character unless they're going to act "black" or whatever?

High five for mentioning asexuality though

Can I ask you a question?
Why do you need to mention that you're asexual in your user title, for all to see? Is it something important to you that you think everyone should know about you?

As for the black thing, there is no such thing as "acting black". Of course, there's the gangster stereotype, but of course not all black people are gangsters (and not all gangsters are black, either). I don't know about you, but I can't think of any kind of behaviour typical of black people.

Gay people, on the other hand, are romantically/sexually attracted to people of the same sex. That is a form of behaviour, and it's not a stereotype because it's pretty much what qualifies a person as "gay". My point is that if the character's sexuality had no significance in the show, then it would not be mentioned.
Last edited by sashki at Nov 4, 2009,
#28
Quote by Z_cup_boy
Or whenever a lesbian movie is produced the subjects are either a) Men are bad/uncompassionate and b) Religion.


Really annoying.

Or c) Hotness.

Pornos are movies too!


I like how The Office (US) treats Oscar's gayness. You never hear the sane people mentioning it, but Michael and Kevin mention it all the time. Kinda like how it is in real life (although exaggerated), it's the ignoramuses who comment on it.
#29
The wrong answer:
Because gay people don't have normal problems, they're too busy with their "being gay problems"

Right answer:
Well, if you think about it, if you were watching a show where there was a gay character, and it was made known to the viewer that they were gay, but nothing else relating to their being gay happened in that show, wouldn't you, as a viewer, wonder WTF did they tell me they were gay for if it doesn't make a difference to the story?
Currently Looking For:
NES: Zelda (Gold Cart), Metroid, Ninja Turtles Series
N64: Mario 64, Majora's Mask, Harvest Moon
#30
It's a cheap appeal to the gay crowd to show that they're open-minded and an even cheaper appeal to the straight crowd to appear controversial and/or open-minded.

Yeah if a character is gay they should be expected to show their gayness a little bit, but most of the time it's just the writers stamping the show with "omg lol ur gay!!11111." Characters that differ from the everyman are a lazy shorthand for depth of purpose in a show.

Remember that episode of Law and Order, where the DA got fired and she said "Is it because I'm a lesbian?" Yeah, you do, because it was a cheap shock. It added nothing to the character. She was the same character, just happened to be a lesbian. Whereas that other DA, who had a kid and a divorce, made that a part of her character. That character WAS a mom, it wasn't just added as an afterthought.
My Blog
New bands you wish you knew about!

Check This Band:As Blood Runs Black
Guitarist of the month: Quorthon


Got a good band that you want to share with the world? PM me and I'll write them a review.
#31
Quote by SteveHouse
It's because they're different from the majority, so media thinks we all want to know what it's like, how it feels. But I ask you this, straight people: Do you really want to know how being gay feels?

I bet it's a pain in the ass...

sorry


Quote by Spoonman69
Rap is music,far better than metal for example. id much rather hear about hoes and anal sex than dragons and supressed homosexuality.
#32
Quote by poopsmith666
I think its because a lot of the general viewing public is still highly ignorant to the realities of homosexuality. They still keep away from it and anything associated with it like the plague.

That's kind of what I thought.

It's not because of the creators of the show, it's because of the audience.

Maybe if the audience could say "Oh. He's a doctor that just happens to be gay. Let's move along with the story now," then the writers could say that too.
#33
Quote by sashki

Can I ask you a question?
Why do you need to mention that you're asexual in your user title, for all to see? Is it something important to you that you think everyone should know about you?

It's a poor attempt at helping visibility, considering there are a hell of a lot of people who have no idea what it is. Though if they don't know what it is then they're not really going to understand the title.

Godamnit.

Oh well. Does it really annoy you or something?

Quote by sashki
As for the black thing, there is no such thing as "acting black". Of course, there's the gangster stereotype, but of course not all black people are gangsters (and not all gangsters are black, either). I don't know about you, but I can't think of any kind of behaviour typical of black people.

Gay people, on the other hand, are romantically/sexually attracted to people of the same sex. That is a form of behaviour, and it's not a stereotype because it's pretty much what qualifies a person as "gay". My point is that if the character's sexuality had no significance in the show, then it would not be mentioned.

Hence "black" with the speech marks, as in whatever stereotype you can think of. And being attracted to the same sex doesn't really change how a character acts too much. Just replace male with female and you'd have a straight guy, essentially.

To go back to my example of Omar, if he'd been straight the program probably wouldn't have turned out too much different. The dealers would be just as pissed off that they were having their drugs stolen. Omar would be just as pissed off at them VAGUE SPOILERS FOR SERIES 1! for killing his now girlfriend. END VAGUE SPOILERS! It honestly wouldn't make a difference, other than for a few jokes here and there. So why make him gay? Why not? I'm sure there are gay people in the drug dealing business. So there should be at least one gay person in the program, considering how it was going for realism.
FUCK YOU! GET PUMPED!
#34
Quote by SuperBlob
It's a poor attempt at helping visibility, considering there are a hell of a lot of people who have no idea what it is. Though if they don't know what it is then they're not really going to understand the title.

Godamnit.

Oh well. Does it really annoy you or something?

Hence "black" with the speech marks, as in whatever stereotype you can think of. And being attracted to the same sex doesn't really change how a character acts too much. Just replace male with female and you'd have a straight guy, essentially.

It doesn't annoy me, I was just curious. Sorry if I sounded hostile.

If there are no romantic/sexual relationships involved at any point in the show, there would be no need to specify any of the characters' sexual orientations.
Speicifying someone as gay has some significance. When people watch such TV shows, they make assumptions about which characters are likely to indulge in relationships with each other (regardless of whether or not they ever will). If a character is known to be gay, it would affect these assumptions, which leads to INTRIGUE, DRAMA and everything else people like to see in TV shows (whatever that might be. I don't know any of these shows in detail)

Also, I know many may disagree, but being attracted to other men is a trait that is more likely to affect the plot than having a darker skin tone (unless of course racial discrimination is a central theme of the show. Up until now, I was assuming that we were talking about programmes in which the main focus is interpersonal relationships).
#35
it's a tv show. if they have something to write about, they write about that subject. the fact that one of the characters is gay is something the writers have a topic about, and it also happens to be something that can be controversial but also interesting.

plus, society has a fascination with the obscure's lifestyle. that is, being gay is not necessarily "normal" in our society, so once we see the life around something that is abnormal, we are interested because we are not accustomed to the specific social circumstance.

i mean, if an autistic character is introduced in a show, don't you think there would be several episodes revolving around the character's autism?

also, a lot of good TV shows and movies just don't outright claim someone is gay. usually, there are several hints that imply the character's personality. for instance, in "Barton Fink," it is implied that john goodman's character has some evil elements even though he is explicitly portrayed as "the working man" with good values. (it's implied that he is the devil by his consistent sweating which explains that his body heat is very high. the coen brothers are trying to mention that he is the devil.)
Sent from my iPad.
#36
What about Will and Grace? Or Queer as Folk?

Everybody's so gay there it's not the center of the characters anymore.
Purple string dampener scrunchy.
#37
I don't think it should make any difference, but the media has to come up with some subjects....