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#1
Ya, So I've had my Les paul for almost a year,
It plays well sounds great...

and I stumbled on some guy selling fakes...
His have ALL the stuff that comes with the guitars normally,
all the certificates, instructions, truss rod tool, polishing cloth,
everything, even the 2 screw truss rod cover.

It looks 100% real (but it's not)

and I bought my LP used from a pretty good vintage guitar store,
had all the stuff with it too. It was on consignment.
the ONLY thing that seperates mine from the fake's documents
is that mine had a GC receipt and the tags from GC....
but still If all the other documents can be faked,
why can't those too?

also my SN is not hardpressed into the wood. : /


fake LP
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/blackvortex2/LPPPP.jpg
#2
the weird thing is....
he offers full refunds...
and it's through paypall...

O: since when did fakers do this?
#5
Quote by rooster456
Looks legit to me?


NO REAL les paul is only 300$
and come from china.....

I know it's a fake...
#6
Quote by BlackVortex
NO REAL les paul is only 300$
and come from china.....

I know it's a fake...



Then I fail to see the point of this thread...
#7
Quote by rooster456
Then I fail to see the point of this thread...



I said i was Afraid that my REAL lp might be fake...

That being said is their any ways to tell for sure?
like Gibson uses certain wires/whatever that fakes wouldn't use?
#8
why does it matter? it sounds and plays nice, you got it from GC, and it says gibson. do you tink anyone who sees you is going to think for a second that its not a real gibson? it probably is real anyway, its from GUITAR CENTER.
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#9
Call Gibson customer support and ask them to verify it's serial number or something like that. They're probably the best people for that kind of thing.
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#10
Quote by rooster456
Then I fail to see the point of this thread...

distraction from boredom
#11
Quote by necrosis1193
Call Gibson customer support and ask them to verify it's serial number or something like that. They're probably the best people for that kind of thing.



Ah!
great Idea
now i feel like an idiot :B
#12
It is real. Its a 1959 VOS Les Paul Standard Re-Issue. The SN is not pressed into the wood due to trying to maintain historical accuracy. (They were printed up to 1960) All those documents are the real thing and there are no sign to say its a fake.
If you dont mind pming the price then i can confirm if that would be in the right price range
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#13
Quote by Shadow_Hawk
why does it matter? it sounds and plays nice, you got it from GC, and it says gibson. do you tink anyone who sees you is going to think for a second that its not a real gibson? it probably is real anyway, its from GUITAR CENTER.



No I got it from Cowtown Guitars on consignment.
It HAD GC receipts and tags with it.
seeing as fake Gibson tags and documents are faked,
GC documents seem like they would be easy to fake too
#14
What documents? A receipt? If so call the store, the number should be on it, they mayhave a record of purchases, ask them to check.
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#15
Its real. Read my post if you want to confirm.
'And after a while, you can work on points for style.
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake,
A certain look in the eye and an easy smile.'

'You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to,
So that when they turn their backs on you,
You'll get the chance to put the knife in.'
#16
Quote by necrosis1193
What documents? A receipt? If so call the store, the number should be on it, they mayhave a record of purchases, ask them to check.


It seems I have lost the GC receipt, but i still have the tags for it
(the price tags and barcode thinggys)
#18
I swear it says "Gibsun" not "Gibson". Gibsun are a very good (in terms of looks) makers of Gibson copy's that are made in China which would explain why it's so cheap.
#19
yeah i got your pm. I replied. The link i gave you is to a very reliable website. Some of the guys on there own more than five of them so they'll be able to tell you whether its fake or not. (I'm 100% its real)

That guitar is a 1959 reissue. it'll be known as an r9.
r4 = 1954 Re-Issue
r6 = 1956 Re-Issue
r7 = 1957 Re-Issue
r8 = 1958 Re-Issue
r9 = 1959 Re-issue
r0 = 1960 re-issue
'And after a while, you can work on points for style.
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake,
A certain look in the eye and an easy smile.'

'You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to,
So that when they turn their backs on you,
You'll get the chance to put the knife in.'
Last edited by digman50 at Nov 6, 2009,
#20
Quote by Rubixcuba
I swear it says "Gibsun" not "Gibson". Gibsun are a very good (in terms of looks) makers of Gibson copy's that are made in China which would explain why it's so cheap.

good shout!

and if you look at the lp thats on a leaflet or somehting in the picture the cutout looks too sharp to be a gibson one, more like an esp ec kinda shape. well i think so anyway
#23
Open up the control cavity and post a picture of inside.That will confirm whether its real or fake
'And after a while, you can work on points for style.
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake,
A certain look in the eye and an easy smile.'

'You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to,
So that when they turn their backs on you,
You'll get the chance to put the knife in.'
#24
I believe there is a bit of confusion the pics I posted are of what the SELLER has
not my les paul

Hang on And I will post pictures of mine, and pictures of a fake
#25
Quote by BlackVortex
I believe there is a bit of confusion the pics I posted are of what the SELLER has
not my les paul

Hang on And I will post pictures of mine, and pictures of a fake


how much is the seller selling for.
The guitar is a real one.
He is selling for the right price
That is completely legit
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2009-Gibson-Custom-1959-Les-Paul-Standard-LTD-Edition_W0QQitemZ270478178041QQihZ017QQcategoryZ38086QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
'And after a while, you can work on points for style.
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake,
A certain look in the eye and an easy smile.'

'You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to,
So that when they turn their backs on you,
You'll get the chance to put the knife in.'
Last edited by digman50 at Nov 6, 2009,
#26
Quote by boston1992
open it up, the fakes usually look all nasty inside



I opened mine up when doing a peter green mod,
and it looked nice and pretty, thick wire.

not like the epi i opened up to do tests on
#27
No the one on Ebay is a Gibsun, there's 2 bolts in the headstock not 3 (I think thats how you would explain it)
#29
#30
Quote by Rubixcuba
No the one on Ebay is a Gibsun, there's 2 bolts in the headstock not 3 (I think thats how you would explain it)



you have that mixed up.
REAL gibsons have 2 screws fakes have the 3
#31

you have that mixed up.
REAL gibsons have 2 screws fakes have the 3

Really? Dang
#33
Quote by Rubixcuba
Well then it must be real... right?



Just gotta call or write Gibson I guess
#34
Why didn't you just look up the serial number in the first place?

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#35
damn! i'm happy with my greg benent, for once i'm glad fake les pauls are not available here, let alone real ones...or i'd blow my life savings on one and then repent ...
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#36
Here's a way to tell that seems to work every time. Gibson put the neck binding over part of the end of the frets. Guitars that are fake don't have that but stock photos of them often use real Gibsons.



Oh and the real Gibson name logo does not have the O joined at the top.
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#38
The problem is the counterfeiters have figured out how to make the fakes much better. You used to be able to tell by the truss rod cover and the angle of the headstock two dead giveaways now they are coming with the correct truss rod covers and a steeper angle headstock. All counterfeits seem to come with a slue of Gibson paper work that pretty much looks legit. I don't doubt they could fake receipts and hang tags. You have the GC tag with the bar code they could probably tell you by scanning it if it was actually sold thru them. The cases they come in are very good. I know several shops that have bought fakes thinking they were real several Ibanez fakes and a few Gibby fakes. I wouldn't doubt there are fakes on shelves of guitar shops right now that are passing off for the real deal.

Now, if you paid 1000s of dollars and you think it's fake have a good luthier check it out. You can remove the cavity cover and check out the electronics a lot of fake have the cavity and pick up routing painted black. Since Gibson started using pots and switches made in China it's hard to tell that way. My friend has a counterfeit Zakk Wylde LP and the pots have the same numbers as the ones Gibson uses the EMGs are real as far as I can see.

If you paid $300.00 then you know it's fake. I have played a lot of counterfeits some in NYC and some around here at the flea markets. Some were made, played and sounded very good. Those were the ones that looked pretty much real. A few were just junk but IMO for $300.00 or less they hold their own compared to other $300.00 guitars. They all come with paper work too custom shop certificates and all.


Last what year is your LP supposed to be? Because Gibson has been impressing the SN in the wood for a long time now even on the reissues.


John

PS. Gibson really needs to update their How to Spot a counterfeit page because all the info they give only shows the most obvious fakes they do not cover the better ones with the correct HS angle and 2 screw truss rod cover.
#39
The fakes have indeed gotten ''better''. However, so long as you buy your guitar through a reputable dealer, there's absolutely no reason to believe your guitar is a fake. Guitar Center are hardly going to start buying in fake guitars.
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