#1
EADGBE is considered standard guitar tuning but it seems like almost no modern bands use this tuning (I'm speaking mostly of hard rock/metal bands) I wish more bands would use standard instead of ruining super low just for the Chugga-chug-chug breakdowns wihich seems to be most of metal nowadays.
#2
de ja vu... and a really bad case of it. it seems like a few months ago, i was reading the exact same words. well, anyways, not all music is like that, but most kids these days just want to hear down tuned guitars in some repititive open 5th chord rhythm and a lot of screaming.
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#4
For metal yes, for other music, its more standard than anything else i would say. The only bands i listen to that actually use standard tuning for the majority of their songs are Metallica and Iron Maiden. But there old school metal. I love standard as much as D standard and C standard. Use them for differnet songs. I make up stuff in all 3
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municipal waste uses standard. But your probably talking crabcore :/

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Metallica only used down tuning on one album and it was merely a half step down for the more blues-y sound...
but yea...thus the invention of the ridiculous 8 string guitar
#7
I don't have a problem with alternate tunings but it seems that almost all metalcore and death metal bands use really low tunings like drop B and drop A and they all sound the same.

Metallica only used down tuning on one album and it was merely a half step down for the more blues-y sound... but yea...thus the invention of the ridiculous 8 string guitar


They use Drop C on St. Anger.
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#9
The reason is simple although most people that tune lower don't know it anyway.
(I personally use C# standard on my solid electric and Eb standard on my semi-hollow electric)

When you tune lower you take advantage of the qualities of distortion. Why is this a good idea however? And this is what most people don't realize. Distortion covers overtones. When you play a note there is the main tone, and then all the overtones above it. Even when notes are in consonance it is possible for overtones to be in dissonance. By covering the overtones this opens up the fretboard to additional notes you can play.

The fine line of this however is the diminishment in chords. You get that muddy sound with too much distortion when using all but the most basic of chords. This is why using distortion in lead makes you more versatile while using distortion in rhythm can have the opposite effect.

I could go on but I hope this bit clarifies things. A lot of people think that lower tunings are always bad, or that distortion is always bad. The trick is in knowing how to use each, and when not to.
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The reason is simple although most people that tune lower don't know it anyway.
(I personally use C# standard on my solid electric and Eb standard on my semi-hollow electric)

When you tune lower you take advantage of the qualities of distortion. Why is this a good idea however? And this is what most people don't realize. Distortion covers overtones. When you play a note there is the main tone, and then all the overtones above it. Even when notes are in consonance it is possible for overtones to be in dissonance. By covering the overtones this opens up the fretboard to additional notes you can play.

The fine line of this however is the diminishment in chords. You get that muddy sound with too much distortion when using all but the most basic of chords. This is why using distortion in lead makes you more versatile while using distortion in rhythm can have the opposite effect.

I could go on but I hope this bit clarifies things. A lot of people think that lower tunings are always bad, or that distortion is always bad. The trick is in knowing how to use each, and when not to.



Really good point! I guess what I'm saying is should standard be called standard anymore.
#12
I can't believe anyone is naive and plain dumb enough to think that just because a lot of metal bands downtune that means E Standard is no longer the most common tuning.

Protip: the majority of the world does not listen to metal.
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Really good point! I guess what I'm saying is should standard be called standard anymore.


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I can't believe anyone is naive and plain dumb enough to think that just because a lot of metal bands downtune that means E Standard is no longer the most common tuning.



Yes. Referring to a tuning as Standard references the relationship between the tones. This is why you can have E standard or Eb standard or whatever. It doesn't mean what is most commonly used or popular.
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I can't believe anyone is naive and plain dumb enough to think that just because a lot of metal bands downtune that means E Standard is no longer the most common tuning.

Protip: the majority of the world does not listen to metal.


A lot of Pop punk and pop rock bands use Drop D and Eb so it's not just metal.
#15
while it might not be the most common tuning anymore, its still the standard from which all these other tunings (drop D, drop C etc) are derived from
i think thats why its called standard, its just a universal measure of other guitar tunings
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Come back when people start playing in DADGAd or open E or something.
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I personally hate dropped tunings below D. Black,Power, Gothic metal bands tends to use Standard tuning.
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Really good point! I guess what I'm saying is should standard be called standard anymore.


I don't know, but as I don't think a board exists to name tunings for instruments then really ...

Who cares if it's not the most commonly used tuning?

It's still going to be called standard.
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I don't have a problem with alternate tunings but it seems that almost all metalcore and death metal bands use really low tunings like drop B and drop A and they all sound the same.



They use Drop C on St. Anger.

that doesnt count as a real cd though
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It's probably been said, but just because it's not used by everyone, doesn't mean it's not standard.

It isn't standard cos it is most used, it's standard because, it is the standard tuning for the guitar, just like how Violin's standard tuning GDAE, there are still many people who use deviations of it.
#21
I always play metal in standard or D standard. But yeah, a lot of metal bands do drop lower. I don't care much for the tunings. I guess it's just preference.
#22
Standard for a guitar the sixth string-3rd string tuned in fourths and the final two strings tuned as major thirds, it has nothing to do with the notes. E Standard is the tuning referred to because it is the most common use of standard for a guitar, so people just don't bother saying E. Also, it still is the most used tuning, because if you consider those metal bands tuning down they are using so many variations while E standard is just a standard.
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I don't have a problem with alternate tunings but it seems that almost all metalcore and death metal bands use really low tunings like drop B and drop A and they all sound the same.



They use Drop C on St. Anger.

And D standard for Whiskey in the jar and The Thing That Should Not Be.
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#24
whenever someone refers to standard in a tuning,they refer to the intervals between the open strings. not some a conformist rule as how it should be tuned.........
#25
Lol, I play in drop B and A# most of the time, but I only do it because my amp is not meant for metal, so the lower tunings give me more gain thats clear, instead of running a shit tone of gain in standard. Also, Playing in lower tunings moves all your notes around, so it helps you better understand your fretboard and how to transistion notes.
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Metallica only used down tuning on one album and it was merely a half step down for the more blues-y sound...
but yea...thus the invention of the ridiculous 8 string guitar

They were down a half step on Load and Reload and down to Drop C and lower on St. Anger.

They also down tuned a full step for a few odd songs here and there earlier, like The Thing That Should Not Be and Sad But True.
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#27
I think alot of power metal bands use standard.

Eadgbe is still the most used tuning in the world, though.
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Aw, I thought this thread was about modifying guitars. Anyway, Lots of bands still play in standard tuning. The New Pornographers do. I think they use baritone guitars at times too, though like in the song Twin Cinema. I think they may have used a baritone there.
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#29
I personally will be glad when the whole hardcore/metalcore fad goes away. How long can people listen to detuned mud and garbled vocals?
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I personally will be glad when the whole hardcore/metalcore fad goes away. How long can people listen to detuned mud and garbled vocals?
Gimme old-school anyday.
In the past detuning your guitars meant your singer couldn't reach the high notes. Now it means you have cookie monster on lead vocals.

There... I've had my grizzle.


You brought back this thread just to say that you don't like a style of vocal?

Really?

Honestly?

Quite apart from the fact that this thread is almost totally pointless, your post may be the most worthless thing in it.

Congratulations.
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You brought back this thread just to say that you don't like a style of vocal?

Really?

Honestly?

Quite apart from the fact that this thread is almost totally pointless, your post may be the most worthless thing in it.

Congratulations.


Awww don't be so silly everyone knows that cookie monster vocals are such a fad and that it's an excuse for not being able to sing at all.
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Yeah, you're right phil ...

I'll go tell Tommy Rogers and Rody Walker.


Yeah those ****ing no0bs know nothing about singing and tell my good mate Akerfeldt too that he can't sing, ****ing swedish noob. Go tell them to listen to a real singer like Beyonce or lady gaga or britney spears. And get a real guitar my squier shits all over your jackson just like how your switchblade wishes it was like my spider.
#34
So, all your stupid arguments aside, I have to agree with TS that it's kind of ****ing annoying to have to play in Drop C in your band just because the other guitarist want to play a bunch of songs in Drop C. Of course, Not saying I'm going to stop it, but shit, I was even hearing him the other day at practice go "I don't even play any other songs in E, I have just been playing in C"...

I think it would be interesting if standard was in use in more areas where it's not so common. Until then, who knows...