#2
in most cases i'd agree
but their are a fair few good bands that fall into the genres
#3
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in most cases i'd agree
but their are a fair few good bands that fall into the genres


i'd have to agree with you, some people are still sticking to the traditional of heavy music and no trying to over do it or reproduce shit that has already been done
#5
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The same could be said for metal. I honestly don't think you know shit about hardcore.



Hardcore is generally the same style in guitar as metal, fast palm muted riffs, syncopated power chord riffs, pinch harmonics, slow crushing breakdowns.

Except in metal a breakdown isn't very common, but I don't know the whole story on breakdowns..
#6
Nuh-uh.

Hardcore punk is really basically a faster version of punk - listen to Black flag and tell me it sounds like generic metalcore. It doesn't. It sounds like, well... faster punk.


And there are a few good bands in the -core genres.
Trivium wasn't all THAT bad when they were a core band... they've sort of transitioned over to sort of a Thrash/Metalcore cross, which isn't even bad.
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#7
Well BTBAM is sometimes considered metalcore but their last two albums are more progressive/interesting than stuff like Dream Theater.
#9
Anything with Core in it's name isn't considered metal, and therefore has no place in this area of the forums.
#10
^True...
The rules say that the fact that metalcore is so popular it was shunted to the (less viewed) Hardcore forum, not that it wasn't metal.
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#12
Quote by Kyose
in most cases i'd agree
but their are a fair few good bands that fall into the genres



such as Unearth. Great band.
#14
The same could be said of any genera. There are good bands that make good original songs and crappy bands that play the same rehashed stuff over and over again. -core bands just get extra flack because many are hybrid between metal and non-metal styles with some popularity which for some odd reason makes elitist metal heads get defensive. But the fact of the matter is that there are just as many bands that do the same thing in metal and all other genera.
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Does anyone else think that the music from the -core genres is just the same ideas and riffs and shit..?

Does anyone else think that you don't know what you're talking about?
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#17
I don't think TS knows what he's talking about. There are plenty of original metalcore bands if you actually listen to it. So explain to me why metal is so original and has so many new ideas.
Explain how every trash band that started after the mid 80's isn't using the same formula that Metallica and Megadeth made popular better yet eplain how Megadeth isn't using the same formula that Metallica made popular. IMO every groove band I've ever heard sounded like Pantera except Machine Head. See this is me talking about something I'm not to familar with and I probably sound like an ass now you know what you sound like. Metal uses the same ideas riffs over and over again to the only bands that are doing something new are progressive bands. If your considered trash you obviously have similarities to other trash bands or you would not be trash.
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#18
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I don't think TS knows what he's talking about. There are plenty of original metalcore bands if you actually listen to it. So explain to me why metal is so original and has so many new ideas.
Explain how every trash band that started after the mid 80's isn't using the same formula that Metallica and Megadeth made popular better yet eplain how Megadeth isn't using the same formula that Metallica made popular. IMO every groove band I've ever heard sounded like Pantera except Machine Head. See this is me talking about something I'm not to familar with and I probably sound like an ass now you know what you sound like. Metal uses the same ideas riffs over and over again to the only bands that are doing something new are progressive bands. If your considered trash you obviously have similarities to other trash bands or you would not be trash.


This. No offence but it's pretty stupid saying that all -core sounds the same, the same could be said about any other genre.

And please stop trying to hate on metalcore, it IS a subgenre of metal whether you like it or not.
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#19
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Anything with Core in it's name isn't considered metal, and therefore has no place in this area of the forums.


Grindcore and Deathcore are allowed to be discussed here.

EDIT: Btw the Hardcore forum says that Metalcore isn't hardcore either. It's as if people are playing hot-potato with genres.
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#20
Saying any genre "all sounds the same" is stupid on a million different levels.

Now shut up talking about -core and go listen to the music you like.
#21
im not a big fan of -core bands but im disagreeing.
not all core bands are the same but they follow the samme styles of playing which may make them sound similar to other bands like, for all you geniuses thats called a GENRE. p.s.should be in core forum.
#22
Converge is metalcore and their really original and great. Yes most of the mainstream core music is lame,just like with any other genre. Most people want something safe sounding, that doesn't push to many boundaries or is just really easy to digest, this is why these bands get so popular. It is not limited to core, ts just needs to explore the genre more.
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#23
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Grindcore and Deathcore are allowed to be discussed here.

EDIT: Btw the Hardcore forum says that Metalcore isn't hardcore either. It's as if people are playing hot-potato with genres.


metalcore isn't hardcore, just like it isn't metal, metalcore = metalcore. That's why it has it's own name. it is DERIVED from both hardcore and metal.
#25
Quote by NY_FootBall49
I don't think TS knows what he's talking about. There are plenty of original metalcore bands if you actually listen to it. So explain to me why metal is so original and has so many new ideas.
Explain how every trash band that started after the mid 80's isn't using the same formula that Metallica and Megadeth made popular better yet eplain how Megadeth isn't using the same formula that Metallica made popular. IMO every groove band I've ever heard sounded like Pantera except Machine Head. See this is me talking about something I'm not to familar with and I probably sound like an ass now you know what you sound like. Metal uses the same ideas riffs over and over again to the only bands that are doing something new are progressive bands. If your considered trash you obviously have similarities to other trash bands or you would not be trash.


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#26
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metalcore isn't hardcore, just like it isn't metal, metalcore = metalcore. That's why it has it's own name. it is DERIVED from both hardcore and metal.


I'd be more on the Metalcore is metal argument. It doesn't sound like a genre in it's right anyway IMO. But I just find it a bit ridiculous how much it's ragged on. Just look at the amount of people that will argue that BTBAM are not metalcore, because it can't be metalcore if they like it. They would rather say it's not metalcore than admit to liking a core band.
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#27
technicolour is correct. Though i would say most modern"hardcore" is'nt hardcore. It's more similar to emo/scene music. And i feel thats were allot(but not all) of core bands are coming out of,Scene kids starting to play their variation of metal and hardcore.Theirs definately a certain loss of the traditional metal vibe in the majority of it.
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#28
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technicolour is correct. Though i would say most modern"hardcore" is'nt hardcore. It's more similar to emo/scene music. And i feel thats were allot(but not all) of core bands are coming out of,Scene kids starting to play their variation of metal and hardcore.Theirs definately a certain loss of the traditional metal vibe in the majority of it.


I find there's a loss of "traditional metal vibe" in quite alot of metal tbh. And i wouldn't say that most modern hardcore is more similiar to scene/emo music either. I don't really hear similarities between alot of hardcore and what is essentially Power Pop and Pop Punk.
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#29
I dunno, it just sounds like the metalized version of screamo to me for the most part. Just the whole atmosphere,production styles,way the songs are put together and all that sounds really detached to the metal scene.I look at two different kinds of modern hardcore,one is just a more extreme version of what bands like Discharge did in the 80's and Integrity,His Hero Is Gone ect in the 90's. Then you have all these "hardcore" bands that sound closer to underoath or pantera and other more mainstream bands. The latter seems to be where most metalcore grew from, rather then the traditional hardcore sound. Same thing with metal.Bands like Converge or Botch would be bands that would go against this generalization though.
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#30
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Well BTBAM is sometimes considered metalcore but their last two albums are more progressive/interesting than stuff like Dream Theater.

Having a severe case of Riff ADD does not make them "more progressive."

And as far as metalcore goes, listen to Burst or I will find you. And you don't want that.
#31
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Having a severe case of Riff ADD does not make them "more progressive."

And as far as metalcore goes, listen to Burst or I will find you. And you don't want that.



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#32
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I'd be more on the Metalcore is metal argument. It doesn't sound like a genre in it's right anyway IMO. But I just find it a bit ridiculous how much it's ragged on. Just look at the amount of people that will argue that BTBAM are not metalcore, because it can't be metalcore if they like it. They would rather say it's not metalcore than admit to liking a core band.


I'd say that metalcore takes a heavier influence from metal than hardcore, depending on the band..for exmplae:

All that remains, Unearth - a higher metal influence
Converge, Integrity - a higher hardcore influence

So it varies. Most "modern metalcore" the kind most people associate with metalcore is more metal influenced.

I wouldn't say modern hardcore is scene at all, that's just confusing hardcore and metalcore. Modern hardcore, in terms of bands like Modern life is war, Eating glass, the Carrier, Verse, etc. still maintains most of it's key sounds with a few "progressive" elements taking it away from 80s hardcore punk.