#1
Would it be worth the investment in an attenuator for a Crate V16 to try to achieve a more pleasing bedroom volume? It sounds okay cranked, but sterile at low volumes. I know there would still be the issue of not reaching the speaker's sweet spot, but would an attenuator get me closer or is it just a pipe dream?

Also, is there another option I have not considered?
#3
Unless it does something crazily different than the definition of attenuator, and I understand in layman's terms.
#4
I think there's a million things you could do to a V16 that would improve the tone more than an attenuator. New speaker, new valves, new transformers, new caps, pedals, everything.

I don't know why attenuators are so bloody popular on UG all of a sudden, as they're a specialist tool only a small proportion of players will ever get use out of. Hopefully it's a passing fad.
#5
Quote by kyle62
I think there's a million things you could do to a V16 that would improve the tone more than an attenuator. New speaker, new valves, new transformers, new caps, pedals, everything.

I don't know why attenuators are so bloody popular on UG all of a sudden, as they're a specialist tool only a small proportion of players will ever get use out of. Hopefully it's a passing fad.


its because a huge majority of people here are bedroom players and the amps they like are too loud when driven properly. There's nothing wrong with attenuators and even with a loud as hell 38 watt amp I find myself needing one at our band practices because getting the Maz to its sweet spot without one is death by soundwave for everyone in the room. Attenuators are not a fad, that makes no sense to call them that.
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#6
Quote by Bright Light
its because a huge majority of people here are bedroom players and the amps they like are too loud when driven properly. There's nothing wrong with attenuators and even with a loud as hell 38 watt amp I find myself needing one at our band practices because getting the Maz to its sweet spot without one is death by soundwave for everyone in the room. Attenuators are not a fad, that makes no sense to call them that.

It is. Everyone seems to think they need one - including a lot of metal players which baffles me as most 'metal' tones are preamp disortion, and really don't benefit from the extra compression and general looseness you get from a cranked power section. An attenuator is ideal for a blues/rock player who has a high quality amp and wants to bring down their 'cranked amp' tone by a few dB.

If you want the sound of overdriven power tubes at bedroom/practice levels, just use a damn overdrive pedal - it'll sound better than extreme levels of attenuation.


There are two highly effective approaches to attenuation - Power Scaling and a very promising new product from FluxTone Speakers, which is the only true attenuator on the market but suffers from a high price.
And let's not forget the Fletcher-Muson curves; we enjoy louder sounds more as we hear a smaller range of frequencies at lower levels. Cutting the bullshit, that means you're always going to enjoy the sound of your amp more when it's pushing a bit of air.

Back on topic, my point wasn't that attenuators aren't useful (because they are) but that the V16 isn't a particularly great sounding amp when cranked anyway. No point being able to get a 'cranked amp tone' unless it's a nice cranked amp tone
#7
Back on topic, my point wasn't that attenuators aren't useful (because they are) but that the V16 isn't a particularly great sounding amp when cranked anyway. No point being able to get a 'cranked amp tone' unless it's a nice cranked amp tone


haha ok, misunderstanding on my part. I didnt know the V16 doesnt do well cranked I just know that my Maz does amazing with volume and master each at about 3/4 of the way up. It does well in almost any range of volume/master, but that setting is what does it for me. I'm gonna have to check out this fluxtone thing you speak of
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#9
Quote by Eater of ashes
I guess I'll give up on getting an actual answer...


will it help you get the cranked tone at bedroom volumes...of course...thats what an attenuator does. If thats the tone you're looking for out of your v16 then it will work great. Using an attenuator on a combo amp requires a bit more work than using it on a half stack...so if you're prepared to do it...go for it
#11
Are you saying it's not worth getting one because someone else doesn't like how they think my amp sounds and I do?
#12
No they said it because they don't want you to spend money on something that will only improve your tone a fraction as opposed to something cheaper that will improve it significantly more ie. an OD

It's your money if you have your heart set on an attenuator then go for it but imo it's a waste don't get one just because all the cool kids have one
#13
Quote by Eater of ashes
Are you saying it's not worth getting one because someone else doesn't like how they think my amp sounds and I do?


No, it's because that much attenuation sounds like ass.
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#14
Honestly, I didn't realize that attenuators were the cool thing now, I was just putzing on ebay, saw some, and wondered "could that help with what I am trying to achieve?"

Trust me, If I had the money and space, I'd much rather have a Thunderverb or JCM800 like amplifier turned up too loud, tinnitus be damned.
#15
for what you're wanting to get out of your amp you would seriously be better off with an OD pedal. We don't say this because we don't want you to get what you want we just don't want you to buy something that won't necessarily get you the best results. These guys know what they're on about try a Digitech Bad Monkey if you're on a budget
#16
Believe me, I wasn't trying to criticise your amp.

I just think the cost/benefit ratio of an attenuator is piss-poor when you could buy new tubes, a better speaker and a good overdrive for around the same price.
#17
I still like my amp's sound, I just can't get the same sound low as I can high.
To be fair, before I changed some tubes, it sounded kind of bad to me, too.