Poll: In or out of the EU
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View poll results: In or out of the EU
In
171 59%
Out
68 23%
Non-UK
51 18%
Voters: 290.
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#81
Quote by donender
I think if it benefits us but we still get to keep our identity, then i'm in, if we switch to the Euro and just start slowly becoming turned into somewhere like France, then thats difference, and i'm not saying there is anything wrong with France as i have never been there, but this is England (or United Kingdom).

I think British people shouldn't be afraid of their nationality, sure, there is some Irish heritage in me, but i'm not gonna be one of these idiots who claims to be Irish as i have lived in England my whole life, i am English and proud to be, and people shouldn't be afraid of offending people when they say that because its completely harmless to love ones country, then again, personally i love my country but don't particularly care for the people running it.



In what way is the EU ever going to change the UK into France?

In the unlikely event that the EU becomes a European super-state, it won't be based on France, it'll be based on Europe. Like it or not, the UK is part of Europe, and shares a lot more culturally than we like to admit.

There's a difference in between being ashamed of your nationality and wanting it to move closer to others.
#82
Quote by Bonorly
That is actually ridiculous. Lowering rates was one of their biggest vote-for pledges for us young voters, what a tragic way to lose any chance they had.

Ok, let's just stick with Labour! Brown!! woo


Nah mate. Green party is where it's at.
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#83
Quote by Bonorly
That is actually ridiculous. Lowering rates was one of their biggest vote-for pledges for us young voters, what a tragic way to lose any chance they had.

Ok, let's just stick with Labour! Brown!! woo


And ignore all their other policies! Woo!


No.
#84
Quote by gabcd86
In what way is the EU ever going to change the UK into France?

In the unlikely event that the EU becomes a European super-state, it won't be based on France, it'll be based on Europe. Like it or not, the UK is part of Europe, and shares a lot more culturally than we like to admit.

There's a difference in between being ashamed of your nationality and wanting it to move closer to others.
Or admitting nationality is entirely meaningless. I was born in London but I've lived all over the place. I'm not proud to be British because feelings of nationalism often rose-tint the negative moments in your country of origin's history and can cause you to appear arrogant.

I'm all in favour of British integration into the EU by the way.
#85
Quote by Craigo
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Right, now, explain the benefits and reasons why we should care about National Identity.

You think that sounds so 'out-side the box' and 'edgy' but it just comes across like you're saying 'who cares about old people and World War II' like a spoilt little shit.

You probably would of given Hilter a hand job.
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#86
Quote by gabcd86
In what way is the EU ever going to change the UK into France?

In the unlikely event that the EU becomes a European super-state, it won't be based on France, it'll be based on Europe. Like it or not, the UK is part of Europe, and shares a lot more culturally than we like to admit.

There's a difference in between being ashamed of your nationality and wanting it to move closer to others.


I was just saying France as an example.
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#87
Quote by GaijinFoot
You think that sounds so 'out-side the box' and 'edgy' but it just comes across like you're saying 'who cares about old people and World War II' like a spoilt little shit.

You probably would of given Hilter a hand job.



Actually no, nationalists like yourself would have been more likely to like Hitler.
#88
I'd much rather the UK did not have to follow euro-laws as well as its own.
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#89
I note the poll has 'in' and 'out', but is distinctly lacking in 'shake it all about'.
#90
I voted 'out'. The EU is an immoral, anti-democratic, neoliberal trading block. I want no part in it.
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#92
Quote by BrashPersona
Leaving the EU is a good idea.

More for British people is what I say.

I'm backing Nick Griffin and the BNP on similar grounds.


this is satirical, right?
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#93
I say get us the **** OUT of the EU while we still can.

That is all.
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#94
For me it would depend on how much state (meaning EU) regulation would be established to control transnational corporations etc. I'm all for the breaking of out-dated, nationalistic borders; and the nation-state is becoming a more and more redundant concept in today's world, but at the same time I wouldn't want to endorse a scheme to line the pockets of businessmen and bankers.

Transnational governing bodies can hinder corporatism, not just help it, so if we do become more involved with the EU it will be easier to influence it in a positive way. I'm actually doing a module in Uni at the moment about Globalisation processes, and parts of it are very interesting.
#95
i think its abit pointless we have to pay millions just to be a part of it

and we dont beanfit from the euro and have to abide EU laws that we have no control over

Edit: i do class my self as European i like other cultures and they have eveyr right to live here what i dont like is we have to go out on a leg for them and their religous rules and dont embrase our culture and try and impose their own
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#97
Quote by ryand111
i think its abit pointless we have to pay millions just to be a part of it

and we dont beanfit from the euro and have to abide EU laws that we have no control over

Edit: i do class my self as European i like other cultures and they have eveyr right to live here what i dont like is we have to go out on a leg for them and their religous rules and dont embrase our culture and try and impose their own

Not being part of the eurozone was your own decision.
You benefit hugely in free trade and free movement of people.
You do have significant control over the laws the EU makes. Never hear of MEPs etc?
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#98
Quote by ryand111
i think its abit pointless we have to pay millions just to be a part of it



And we make it all back and more through trade and good relations, not to matter the rather generous grants every country gets.


and we dont beanfit from the euro and have to abide EU laws that we have no control over


1. We don't benefit from the Euro because we choose not to. We most certainly would if we actually joined it. That's the UK's problem, not that of Europe.

2. Define 'we', please. Besides, painting all EU law as pointless is utterly ridiculous.

Quote by ryand111
Edit: i do class my self as European i like other cultures and they have eveyr right to live here what i dont like is we have to go out on a leg for them and their religous rules and dont embrase our culture and try and impose their own



Yeah, because Europe's a bunch of muslims imposing shariah law on the UK, right?
#99
Quote by webbtje
And we make it all back and more through trade and good relations, not to matter the rather generous grants every country gets.


1. We don't benefit from the Euro because we choose not to. We most certainly would if we actually joined it. That's the UK's problem, not that of Europe.

2. Define 'we', please. Besides, painting all EU law as pointless is utterly ridiculous.


Yeah, because Europe's a bunch of muslims imposing shariah law on the UK, right?

Yea, damn those Italian muslims.
#100
Quote by MightyAl
Yea, damn those Italian muslims.


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#101
Quote by webbtje
I've got my eye on that fucking Pope. Saw him the other day with this book, 'How to grow and maintain a massive beard.' Scum.

So now we know. Whenever anyone says "is the Pope a Catholic", we can reply "f*ck no, he's a muslim".
#103
Quote by webbtje
And we make it all back and more through trade and good relations, not to matter the rather generous grants every country gets.


1. We don't benefit from the Euro because we choose not to. We most certainly would if we actually joined it. That's the UK's problem, not that of Europe.

2. Define 'we', please. Besides, painting all EU law as pointless is utterly ridiculous.


Yeah, because Europe's a bunch of muslims imposing shariah law on the UK, right?

we dont benafit on importing manufatured goods and agriculteral goods infact we have to pay 50% on top so yeah very benafitial.

the reason we are not with the euro is because the pound is stronger sure it would help with international trading even kelloggs moved to Iraland so they could import more wheat cheaper witch brings us back to the fact that its not helping trading in the UK. But if the Uk changed we would not see the benafits, Gordon Brown coming from a financial background can see this

this is no longer the 70's over times treatys and policeys change over time and no longer suit us in this economic climate.

and finally i was only useing that as an example how about imagrants from say poland decide not to learn english and try and impose their own language in the Uk is that better?
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#104
Quote by ryand111
we dont benafit on importing manufatured goods and agriculteral goods infact we have to pay 50% on top so yeah very benafitial.


You do benefit when it comes to CAP-funded food coming into the UK at a price significantly lower than it would be otherwise. You enjoy pasta, I hope? Perhaps you enjoy sugar? Tate and Lyle (who, I stress, are UK-based) made €134 million in 2007. There's your direct benefit.

Quote by ryand111
the reason we are not with the euro is because the pound is stronger sure it would help with international trading even kelloggs moved to Iraland so they could import more wheat cheaper witch brings us back to the fact that its not helping trading in the UK. But if the Uk changed we would not see the benafits, Gordon Brown coming from a financial background can see this


But this doesn't cover for the fact that you were whingeing either about the Euro being weak or that we're not part of it. The latter I have already addressed, as has $hit. As for the former, remember last Christmas when it was £1 for €1, and how it's now limping along at £1 for €1.12 (at time of writing)? Sterling is not going to be the strongest currency in the world for very long, chappie. The Euro is a lot better off than you might think it is.


Quote by ryand111
this is no longer the 70's over times treatys and policeys change over time and no longer suit us in this economic climate.


Treaties don't change unless they're amended? That's sort of the point. As for policy, I wasn't aware that it is now official policy to run headfirst into financial and political quagmire, which would be the immediate consequence of pulling out of the EU.

Quote by ryand111
and finally i was only useing that as an example how about imagrants from say poland decide not to learn english and try and impose their own language in the Uk is that better?


Lol, every Polish person I've met speaks English perfectly well. As for imposing their language, what absolute scaremongering nonsense.
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#105
Quote by maggot9779
The only thing I don't like abiout the EU is the stupid Euro. As long as we keep the Pound i'm happy


The Euro was implemented as part of what's called an "Approximation Treaty", though regulated by EU law, the EU doesn't actually participate in the creation of these treaties; they are open, multilateral treaties signed by parties wishing cooperate more closely without necessarily binding the whole European community.

In other words, one thing has nothing to do with the other, the UK isn't the only non-euro EU member, pull your head out of your ass.
#106
Quote by GHJ
I voted 'out'. The EU is an immoral, anti-democratic, neoliberal trading block. I want no part in it.


I suppose the European Court of Justice, humanitarian aid and the massive impetus they've given to human and civil rights in Eastern Europe count for nothing.
#107
Quote by BrashPersona
Leaving the EU is a good idea.

More for British people is what I say.

I'm backing Nick Griffin and the BNP on similar grounds.


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#108
Quote by webbtje

Lol, every Polish person I've met speaks English perfectly well. As for imposing their language, what absolute scaremongering nonsense.

@ the idea of someone being able to impose their language on an English speaking nation. It'd never work, we're all far too lazy to learn another language.

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#109
Quote by Ur all $h1t
@ the idea of someone being able to impose their language on an English speaking nation. It'd never work, we're all far too lazy to learn another language.

Brutal dictator: Learn Russian or you all die
Everyone: Death doesn't sound so bad.

Shit, I live in a part of the UK where most people can't be bothered to speak english coherently.

Kinda reminds me of everyone getting in a twist over muslims "forcing" their culture on us, which is a hilarious notion as Britain sinks further everyday into an Americanised cultural wasteland.
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#110
BUMP!

Cameron's got a referendum set up for 2015. What are people's thoughts?

I am very split on this.

On one hand I think "Damn, who do the British think they are? Where do they get the tenacity? This is an all or nothing deal."

But then I think "Damn. At least the British are settling this democratically. I wish Germany would do that. If the British don't wanna do this, why should Germany? Yo man, screw the EU, it's a bunch of shite."

But then I think "Damn. If the UK isn't in the EU they'll lose its greatest trading partner and probably lose jobs, and I like to be able to move around these countries. What would happen to the Brits abroad? And can I stay in the UK?"

I dunno man, I just dunno.
#111
Ooooh I might be able to vote in it. From what I know I think they should stay. If they leave though my whole life plan is screwed.
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#112
I want to be in the EU for one simple reason, I don't trust people like Cameron and his buddies to have complete control over the primary document that guarantees my human rights.
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#113
Didn't realise there were so many pro-eu people! I thought everyone would want out. That's a shame. It really would be much better if we left it.



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#114
Quote by Lemoninfluence
I want to be in the EU for one simple reason, I don't trust people like Cameron and his buddies to have complete control over the primary document that guarantees my human rights.


You mean like all the social welfare rights?
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#115
Quote by Carnivean
You mean like all the social welfare rights?

I was more concerned with things like freedom of religion, right to enjoy private and family life, freedom of association etc.

We've already got a national religion with carte blanche to discriminate against women and homosexuals, and we've already got ridiculous regulations for protesting.

Take away the thing that guarantees those rights and you'll open the door for these policies to be taken further.

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Didn't realise there were so many pro-eu people! I thought everyone would want out. That's a shame. It really would be much better if we left it.

In what way?

We would have worse access to our biggest export market, we would lose a massive amount of rights in terms of workers rights and consumer protection, and we'd lose out on a way to hold our government to account for infringing fundamental rights.

Or do you mean the EU would be better off for not having to deal with us?
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#116
I can't say I know enough about the EU to comment.

I'd probably choose to stay in the EU though, because I imagine it's important for our exports etc.

tl;dr: I need to read a book or something.
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#118
The EU has made the UK better, and the UK has made the EU better. UK needs to stay
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#119
If the UK leaves the EU they will have a 0% chance of ever getting me as their employee and citizen.

Inb4 lets all vote out then. Derp da herp.
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#120
Quote by Lemoninfluence
I was more concerned with things like freedom of religion, right to enjoy private and family life, freedom of association etc.

We've already got a national religion with carte blanche to discriminate against women and homosexuals, and we've already got ridiculous regulations for protesting.

Take away the thing that guarantees those rights and you'll open the door for these policies to be taken further.


In what way?

We would have worse access to our biggest export market, we would lose a massive amount of rights in terms of workers rights and consumer protection, and we'd lose out on a way to hold our government to account for infringing fundamental rights.

Or do you mean the EU would be better off for not having to deal with us?


I somehow get the feeling that the British media focuses on all the bad, evil immigrants, like the Romanians, Albanians, etc, coming in and messing everything up, and therefore that justifies leaving the EU.